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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12925 on: September 09, 2026, 02:40:03 AM »
Obsidian - what's you view on BMNR? (I'll share mine, but keen to hear yours first). Curious to see if it will be what I think it will be :)

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12926 on: September 30, 2026, 12:27:02 AM »
Everyone is in......

Anyhoo the risk of Global implosion is over now But I propose people won't accept that. Perhaps we are already seeing a temper tantrum in BTC.

BTC prices risk of the unknown. Hiking rates didn't collapse us. Bombing the ME didn't nuke us. A pandemic didn't make us extinct.  We know we are ok now.


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« Reply #12927 on: October 05, 2026, 05:23:16 AM »
Alts!...

Some of you have messaged me asking for my views.

A few comments:

1. I don't consider any other "crypto", or stock, or commodity, or currency, as a legitimate "alt" to Bitcoin. Perhaps gold comes closest, and we all know gold's shortcomings vs BTC.

2. By "alts" I believe people are in general referring to tokenized projects, which are often non-compliant with existing securities laws applying to stocks, being utility tokens, governance tokens, stable-coins or meme-coins.

I value all alts as I would any project I would invest into, or any company I would buy. Many are vastly overvalued, but some are now at or close to fair value. For those wanting my alt portfolio, here it is (I won't put any % allocation, but those marked with * I am particularly bullish on as 5-8 year holds for 10x or more gains...)

-Filecoin *
-Solana *
-Chainlink *
-Jupiter *
-Arbitrum *
-Lido
-Aerodrome
-Artificial Super Intelligence *
-Pancake Swap
-BNB *
-Sky *
-Convex Finance
-Avalanche
-NEAR

I won't go into specific details now, but happy to discuss. I only consider and buy legit projects which show real revenue and growth at a price that can be justified given my expectation of the life and growth of the project or protocol represented by the token.

Note Eth is not on the list. I just can't do it, with its size, competitive dynamics, and PE of over 400. I value it at most $500 per coin. Having said that, it would not surprise me if Eth does rise this next cycle (although again underperforming BTC by around 50%, as it has done last 2 cycles) - but it just does not meet my investment criteria. (I still hold a little - and it might well still outperform USD over the next 3 years. A rising tide will float all boats for a while at least).

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12928 on: October 06, 2026, 03:36:53 AM »

SEC approves 3x leveraged ETF. This is fantastic news.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12929 on: October 08, 2026, 05:44:48 AM »
Gib still butthurt that Ethereum dared to steal some of Bitcoin's limelight.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12930 on: October 08, 2026, 09:22:58 AM »
Gib still butthurt that Ethereum dared to steal some of Bitcoin's limelight.

 ;D

It didn't succeed - they tried to be a jack of all trades, and became a master of none...

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12931 on: October 09, 2026, 07:06:26 PM »
It didn't succeed - they tried to be a jack of all trades, and became a master of none...

The Billionaire vs. Bitcoin: What Happens When the Security Budget Halves?

Think about how a billionaire secures their wealth. If you have $10 billion, you might spend a few million a year on elite bodyguards, fortified estates, and advanced surveillance networks. That is a microscopic fraction of your total net worth (around 0.05%), and it is a relatively flat, predictable cost. Once your physical security grid is built, it stays up.

Bitcoin operates on a completely different paradigm. It doesn't have walls or guards; it secures its $1.66+ trillion market cap by aggressively burning real-world capital. Every single day, the network coordinates a massive global spend of roughly $36 million in electricity, ASIC hardware depreciation, and infrastructure facilities. It’s the equivalent of a billionaire being forced to rebuild and re-fund their entire security apparatus from scratch every 24 hours just to prove no one can breach the perimeter.

But Bitcoin's security model faces an existential economic clock: the halving.

Right now, miners are paid 3.125 BTC per block. In 2028 (just two years from now), that drops to 1.5625 BTC. By 2032, it slashes again to 0.78125 BTC.

If the fiat price of Bitcoin does not more than double due to dollar devaluation with each halving, or if transaction fees don't skyrocket to make up the difference, the total security budget effectively collapses in purchasing power.

At what point does the system break?

Mathematically, the critical fracture point arrives when the fully absorbed cost to mine (electricity + hardware + facility debt) severely outpaces the market price of the reward across multiple hardware generations.

If Bitcoin's price stagnates while the block reward is cut by 75% over the next six years, we will see a massive, violent capitulation of miners. As industrial mining operations shut down their rigs because they are burning more fiat in electricity than they are earning in BTC, the network's total hash rate will plummet.

When the hash rate drops significantly, the "computational wall" defending the ledger thins out. At that point, the cost for a hostile entity—or a nation-state—to lease or accumulate enough hardware to launch a 51% attack drops from quite expensive to entirely feasible. If it becomes cheaper to attack the network than the network is worth, the fundamental game theory breaks down.

Bitcoin is betting everything on the assumption that either its price will outpace inflation indefinitely, or that the layer-2 and on-chain transaction fee market will grow massive enough to replace the vanishing block rewards. If both fail, the security budget collapses, and the digital vault cracks open.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12932 on: October 11, 2026, 06:08:05 AM »
Stfu with all the Bitcoin bullshit no one here is buying it go the fuck away please.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12933 on: October 13, 2026, 12:51:50 AM »

Everyone is in and Everyone knows everything including that price can never go lower after 1 year.......

I am the last bear standing but I am not going to capitulate.

There is no escape. Only more souls to onboard and take to the other side.








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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12934 on: October 13, 2026, 10:12:17 AM »
The Billionaire vs. Bitcoin: What Happens When the Security Budget Halves?

Think about how a billionaire secures their wealth. If you have $10 billion, you might spend a few million a year on elite bodyguards, fortified estates, and advanced surveillance networks. That is a microscopic fraction of your total net worth (around 0.05%), and it is a relatively flat, predictable cost. Once your physical security grid is built, it stays up.

Bitcoin operates on a completely different paradigm. It doesn't have walls or guards; it secures its $1.66+ trillion market cap by aggressively burning real-world capital. Every single day, the network coordinates a massive global spend of roughly $36 million in electricity, ASIC hardware depreciation, and infrastructure facilities. It’s the equivalent of a billionaire being forced to rebuild and re-fund their entire security apparatus from scratch every 24 hours just to prove no one can breach the perimeter.

But Bitcoin's security model faces an existential economic clock: the halving.

Right now, miners are paid 3.125 BTC per block. In 2028 (just two years from now), that drops to 1.5625 BTC. By 2032, it slashes again to 0.78125 BTC.

If the fiat price of Bitcoin does not more than double due to dollar devaluation with each halving, or if transaction fees don't skyrocket to make up the difference, the total security budget effectively collapses in purchasing power.

At what point does the system break?

Mathematically, the critical fracture point arrives when the fully absorbed cost to mine (electricity + hardware + facility debt) severely outpaces the market price of the reward across multiple hardware generations.

If Bitcoin's price stagnates while the block reward is cut by 75% over the next six years, we will see a massive, violent capitulation of miners. As industrial mining operations shut down their rigs because they are burning more fiat in electricity than they are earning in BTC, the network's total hash rate will plummet.

When the hash rate drops significantly, the "computational wall" defending the ledger thins out. At that point, the cost for a hostile entity—or a nation-state—to lease or accumulate enough hardware to launch a 51% attack drops from quite expensive to entirely feasible. If it becomes cheaper to attack the network than the network is worth, the fundamental game theory breaks down.

Bitcoin is betting everything on the assumption that either its price will outpace inflation indefinitely, or that the layer-2 and on-chain transaction fee market will grow massive enough to replace the vanishing block rewards. If both fail, the security budget collapses, and the digital vault cracks open.

You are confusing concepts here, treating Bitcoin's "security budget" as if it was a fixed military budget. In reality - and you know this - it is more like a market-clearing system with automatic difficulty adjustment. So, I think whilst theoretically interesting, the concerns are fetched. A much more sensible approach would be to consider all that is going on in the world, politically, economically and technologically, and ask whether you would be better off accumulating BTC, selling it (or being a non-coiner).

Bitcoin does not need a constant dollar-denominated security budget and despite my repeated attempts to explain, your concern of power miner revenue = lower security = eventual failure is not necessarily true.

Bitcoin security depends on the cost of attacking the network relative to potential gain, (not on maintaining a particular dollar amount of miner expenditure).

Imagine if half the miners disappear tomorrow (which by the way was like when China when off line for a bit back in the day).

Block production temporarily slowed.
Difficulty adjusted downward.
Remaining miners become more profitable.
New equilibrium was reached.

Satoshi thought of this (and its anticipated in the white paper) and also discussed a lot in the early days on the BitcoinTalk forum.

This mechanism has operated repeatedly and sucessfully since 2009. Back then Bitcoin was secured with a hash rate that was millions of times lower than today. Hash rate has historically continued rising despite multiple halvings. You know that.

The network only requires enough security, not maximum security and your "billionaire analogy" is flawed.

A billionaire with $10 billion does not need:

1,000 guards
10,000 guards
100,000 guards

There is a threshold where additional spending produces little extra protection. Likewise, Bitcoin does not require infinite hash power.

The better question is:

Is a 51% attack economically rational (let alone practically possible)?

Attacking Bitcoin requires acquiring enormous specialized ASIC infrastructure, power contracts, facilities, personnel and operational expertise. An evil nation-state may theoretically do this, but then faces another problem:

the attack destroys confidence
the attack crashes the asset
the attack destroys the attacker's own economic payoff

The attacker spends billions to damage an asset whose value collapses once attacked. I guess, maybe, in theory, they could do a massively leveraged short, and then try to get a pay off that way? But that short would have to be MASSIVE, and would NOT go un-noticed. Imagine, someone, hypothetically, spending tens of billions of dollars acquiring ASICs, power capacity, facilities, and operational control, and then placing  a correspondingly massive short position to make the trade worthwhile, then pulling off, and then try to actually get paid on it. Opening a gigantic short anything near that, is not invisible. Perpetual futures funding would change, borrowing rates would rise, counterparties would definitely notice, and liquidity would likely become a limiting issue. I expect exchanges would also intervene and not pay on the trade.

Also, any such attack may not even crash Bitcoin enough for a short to pay off, even if successfully places and paid off.

A 51% attack does not allow stealing everyone's coins, changing the supply cap, or the creating fake BTC.

It mainly enables double spending, transaction censorship and chain reorganizations. So, you might see markets might react with a  50% drop, and then actually recover quickly (maybe even higher) after emergency measures are implemented and the culprit is identified. And we can be certain there would be a social consensus rejecting the attacker's chain in any case. And then, another lesson about BTC's reliance and the power of the people, would be learned...

Assuming a 51% attack cost falls proportionally with hash rate is wrong. For example,

If 30% of miners shut down:

Much hardware becomes unavailable or gets relocated.
ASIC manufacturing capacity remains constrained.
Electricity contracts remain constrained.
Global logistics remain constrained, etc.

The attacker does not simply rent "51% of Bitcoin." They must instead assemble and run an industrial infrastructure larger than the remaining honest network.

History already tested the hypothesis four times and this concern is not new.

People made the same argument:

2012 halving
2016 halving
2020 halving
2024 halving

Yet hash rate continued upward over the long term rather than collapsing.  Bitcoin's hash rate increased dramatically across previous halving cycles despite repeated subsidy reductions, and that will keep happening (for obvious reasons).

You seem to assume that the next halving will be fundamentally different from the previous four.


Also, remember miners are not paid only through subsidy

Its not as though either "Price must double forever", or "Fees must explode".

Reality is that miner revenue consists of:

Block subsidy
Transaction fees

So, yes, fee revenue must become more important over time, but the transition occurs over decades, not six years. The subsidy will continue until around 2140.

The network only needs total miner revenue to remain attractive relative to operating costs, not necessarily to remain constant in BTC terms. And that is what will happen.

Finally, the flaw in your logic is that a lower security budget equates to vulnerability.


Even if miner revenue fell 50%:

Attack cost does not automatically fall 50%.
Attack feasibility does not automatically increase 50%.
Attack profitability may still be negative.

Security is not determined by revenue alone.

It depends on:

ASIC availability
Energy access
Honest miner coordination
Exchange response
User response
Economic incentives
Etc


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #12935 on: October 16, 2026, 12:56:44 AM »
77% of stablecoin volume on Ethereum.


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