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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1050 on: December 10, 2017, 10:06:54 AM »
Remember this?



It wasn't because their stocks became worthless, people were forced to stand in line to get soup because the banks holding their cash went belly up.

Yes, this happened in 1929 before colour photography.

People get scammed with shitty stocks and investments everyday.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1051 on: December 10, 2017, 06:05:00 PM »
Are bitcoins the new kigtropins?

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« Reply #1052 on: December 10, 2017, 06:10:43 PM »
Are bitcoins the new kigtropins?

Only after the bitcoins are mass hacked and all of the buyers end up being scammed do they become the new kigtropins. Except bitcoin already has too many testimonials for it's existence (More than one) for it to be in the same category  ::)

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« Reply #1053 on: December 10, 2017, 06:50:25 PM »
I've gave my reasoning, thoughts and opinions, which is what you asked me for.  Gold is real wealth backed by  thousands of years of history, bitcoins are digital 1's and 0's backed by nothing.  It's that simple.  

The main point people use to validate themselves for bitcoin being so fantastic is the PRICE, everything else is pretty much technical babble stories they read on the internets.  1000 people own 40% of bitcoins in existence... that is not a good thing.  When a few of these whales sell, the price will come tumbling down.  

You really enjoy going back and forth.  You seem to thrive off it.  I wonder how you'd be in person?  

I like a good debate and enjoy proving people wrong in person as much as I do online.

The fact that gold is "backed by thousands of years of history" in no way is any kind of proof that BTC is a scam. Its only inevitable that a digital currency will evolve much much faster than gold did as a store of value.

You say that BTC is "backed by nothing" - yes, its correct there is no government backing – obviously there are no underlying assets and this is literally the entire point of bitcoin! (just like gold by the way).

You say that BTC has not transparency - but actually it is 100% transparent - that the entire point of the distributed ledger and the blockchain!

The Ponzi scam involved one person benefitting by paying out a fraudulent yield from ever increasing new investors. With BTC there is no yield being paid for a start, nor is there a person perpetrating a kind of fraud who might be benefitting from the deception of others.

BTC and gold are entirely dependent on the continued adoption and belief of inherent value by others. Both have zero Government backing.

If anything, the "fraud" being committed, is by Governments who steal from people by printing paper money (effectively devaluing people's savings), and indeed the creation of BTC was a reaction to that.

So now that we have concluded that BTC cannot be considered a fraud or a Ponzi scheme, what you should be asking (and maybe what you meant all along) is whether BTC is a "bubble". And this simply cannot be answered - the reason being that BTC cannot be valued. An and for a bubble to be proven to exist, it is required for there to be a calculable inherent value in the asset alleged to be a bubble. This cannot be done for BTC (but it can be done for assets that produce yields, such as stocks or property).

Now finally, you tried to scare everyone with your claims that futures trading will lead to BTC falling in value, and to be scared of "naked shorting", as though this is some kind of mystical boogie-man coming to kill BTC. I will say it again - futures trading will massively legitimize BTC, further putting it on a similar footing to gold. We will likely see far far more money flowing into the underlying asset as a result. Futures now make it very easy for asset managers to diversify into bitcoin now and an asset like bitcoin as they can not get exposure without the need to buy and hold the underlying asset.

"Naked shorting", involves selling a futures contract without holding the underlying asset (in this case bitcoin). The risk here as a naked shortseller is that your loss is potentially unlimited. If the price of bitcoin rises you lose more and more money. So its a massively risky position to be taking on a asset who's value cannot be calculated. At least early on, I don't expect much in the way of large-scale naked shorts in the bitcoin futures market, expect for a few very speculative gambles. It would simply be too much of a risky trade to make in an asset class that has in the past haw shown high amounts of volatility and overall upward movement. So, if anything, I would expect to see substantial long positions instead.

Again, I cannot say with certainty what will happen, but I will try to explain whatever has happened as futures start trading. I would add that uncertainty always creates opportunity to make $$$.

Good luck to all, and time will tell who was right...

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1054 on: December 10, 2017, 06:53:32 PM »
Gib, if you do not sell at least a quarter of your share in Bitcoin, then you are a moron.

Don't carry all of your eggs in one basket.

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« Reply #1055 on: December 10, 2017, 06:56:10 PM »
Gib, if you do not sell at least a quarter of your share in Bitcoin, then you are a moron.

Don't carry all of your eggs in one basket.

Thanks Shizz - I have less than 1% of all my assets in BTC - I'm good and can wear a complete 100% wipe out :)

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« Reply #1056 on: December 10, 2017, 07:01:49 PM »
Actually, around 1.5% (I just re-calculated). But yes, I get the point that you and Mr A are making.

I really bought into BTC for a long term hold, but yeah, I might take just a little at a certain point, which would then already cover my entire outlay (effectively giving me a free hedge on the future). I will let you guys know if and when I sell anything off. (The only bit I have ever sold was a very very nominal amount, just to learn how it all worked and to ensure the sale funds really appeared in my acct etc.). I might also spread a few Santoshies around to family members for Xmas :)

PS - Here's an irony that My A might like - while not being a fan off gold, I might actually put any gains I realize if I ever sold any BTC, into gold :) Right now my gold exposure is pretty much zero (although I do have a few coins and jewelry "under my mattress so to speak", just in case of a total worst case scenario).

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« Reply #1057 on: December 10, 2017, 07:14:19 PM »
Actually, around 1.5% (I just re-calculated). But yes, I get the point that you and Mr A are making.

I really bought into BTC for a long term hold, but yeah, I might take just a little at a certain point, which would then already cover my entire outlay (effectively giving me a free hedge on the future). I will let you guys know if and when I sell anything off. (The only bit I have ever sold was a very very nominal amount, just to learn how it all worked and to ensure the sale funds really appeared in my acct etc.). I might also spread a few Santoshies around to family members for Xmas :)

PS - Here's an irony that My A might like - while not being a fan off gold, I might actually put any gains I realize if I ever sold any BTC, into gold :) Right now my gold exposure is pretty much zero (although I do have a few coins and jewelry "under my mattress so to speak", just in case of a total worst case scenario).

So I’m guessing your worth around 30million?How the hell did you make so much money?All investing?Family money?

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« Reply #1058 on: December 10, 2017, 07:16:05 PM »
I like a good debate and enjoy proving people wrong in person as much as I do online.

The fact that gold is "backed by thousands of years of history" in no way is any kind of proof that BTC is a scam. Its only inevitable that a digital currency will evolve much much faster than gold did as a store of value.

You say that BTC is "backed by nothing" - yes, its correct there is no government backing – obviously there are no underlying assets and this is literally the entire point of bitcoin! (just like gold by the way).

You say that BTC has not transparency - but actually it is 100% transparent - that the entire point of the distributed ledger and the blockchain!

The Ponzi scam involved one person benefitting by paying out a fraudulent yield from ever increasing new investors. With BTC there is no yield being paid for a start, nor is there a person perpetrating a kind of fraud who might be benefitting from the deception of others.

BTC and gold are entirely dependent on the continued adoption and belief of inherent value by others. Both have zero Government backing.

If anything, the "fraud" being committed, is by Governments who steal from people by printing paper money (effectively devaluing people's savings), and indeed the creation of BTC was a reaction to that.

So now that we have concluded that BTC cannot be considered a fraud or a Ponzi scheme, what you should be asking (and maybe what you meant all along) is whether BTC is a "bubble". And this simply cannot be answered - the reason being that BTC cannot be valued. An and for a bubble to be proven to exist, it is required for there to be a calculable inherent value in the asset alleged to be a bubble. This cannot be done for BTC (but it can be done for assets that produce yields, such as stocks or property).

Now finally, you tried to scare everyone with your claims that futures trading will lead to BTC falling in value, and to be scared of "naked shorting", as though this is some kind of mystical boogie-man coming to kill BTC. I will say it again - futures trading will massively legitimize BTC, further putting it on a similar footing to gold. We will likely see far far more money flowing into the underlying asset as a result. Futures now make it very easy for asset managers to diversify into bitcoin now and an asset like bitcoin as they can not get exposure without the need to buy and hold the underlying asset.

"Naked shorting", involves selling a futures contract without holding the underlying asset (in this case bitcoin). The risk here as a naked shortseller is that your loss is potentially unlimited. If the price of bitcoin rises you lose more and more money. So its a massively risky position to be taking on a asset who's value cannot be calculated. At least early on, I don't expect much in the way of large-scale naked shorts in the bitcoin futures market, expect for a few very speculative gambles. It would simply be too much of a risky trade to make in an asset class that has in the past haw shown high amounts of volatility and overall upward movement. So, if anything, I would expect to see substantial long positions instead.

Again, I cannot say with certainty what will happen, but I will try to explain whatever has happened as futures start trading. I would add that uncertainty always creates opportunity to make $$$.

Good luck to all, and time will tell who was right...


Oh, and $16,900 $$$ :)

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #1059 on: December 10, 2017, 07:21:52 PM »
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« Reply #1060 on: December 10, 2017, 07:22:27 PM »
Mr. Anabolic is weirdly obsessed with trying to prove GIB wrong, as if he has some vested interest in proving bitcoin owners wrong.  ??? ???
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« Reply #1061 on: December 10, 2017, 07:24:38 PM »
So I’m guessing your worth around 30million?How the hell did you make so much money?All investing?Family money?

Not quite that much! - try reducing by around 1/3 and you get in range.

Started saving from as long as I can remember, literally 5 years old with a piggy bank. Started working part-time picking fruit etc from around 8 years of age, and started investing in stocks around 9 (and before someone says its not possible, yes it is - I literally walked into an office with my Mom and they opened an account for me). From there on its been hard work, always planning ahead, lessons learned, careful calculated investing, and in particular being very bold with investing in big time during times of massive corrections (both stock, property and with property benefitting with access to leverage). Also had a few a businesses along the way, always investing any gains. Happy to discuss some time on another thread - I'm conscious that these types of explanations always make things look way easier to achieve than they actually are, but happy to impart some advice. (And apart from that this is getbig and half the posts will be from people calling BS anyhow - it all becomes a little ridiculous! :) - But yeah, all self made, came from a poor family. I know lots of people who come from family money, and who are way richer than me, but I am proud for having done it alone, and I value money far more then they do as a result.

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« Reply #1062 on: December 10, 2017, 07:27:51 PM »
Mr. Anabolic is weirdly obsessed with trying to prove GIB wrong, as if he has some vested interest in proving bitcoin owners wrong.  ??? ???

Yes, it goes back to at least 2014 (his "Bitcoin denier" thing) and is a little unusual I must say. I don't take it personally - happy to keep it focused on the issue as opposed to calling names and getting personal. But again, as I have written before, I went though some of the same thoughts as Mr A did on BTC. I "worked it out" eventually. And I think he will too.

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« Reply #1063 on: December 10, 2017, 07:29:53 PM »
Yes, it goes back to at least 2014 (his "Bitcoin denier" thing) and is a little unusual I must say. I don't take it personally - happy to keep it focused on the issue as opposed to calling names and getting personal. But again, as I have written before, I went though some of the same thoughts as Mr A did on BTC. I "worked it out" eventually. And I think he will too.

I wish you the best of luck, GIB!!  :) :)
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« Reply #1064 on: December 11, 2017, 06:24:39 AM »
I wish you the best of luck, GIB!!  :) :)

Thank you! 🙏


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« Reply #1066 on: December 11, 2017, 06:44:21 AM »
What's the verdict on Litecoin?

I added 2 positions at $90 and $100.

Sitting at $185 right now.

Do I hold long term or sell out if I can get a 4 or 5 bagger?

I think it's all psychology with Litecoin. Totally irrational. People can't afford a full bitcoin and Litecoin is on the larger exchanges so they dump some money into that instead.

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« Reply #1067 on: December 11, 2017, 06:48:21 AM »
Mr. Anabolic is weirdly obsessed with trying to prove GIB wrong, as if he has some vested interest in proving bitcoin owners wrong.  ??? ???


Gib won’t be wrong unless bitcoin crashes. Until then anabolic can say what he wants and be wrong. 

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« Reply #1068 on: December 11, 2017, 02:39:24 PM »
What's the verdict on Litecoin?

I added 2 positions at $90 and $100.

Sitting at $185 right now.

Do I hold long term or sell out if I can get a 4 or 5 bagger?

I think it's all psychology with Litecoin. Totally irrational. People can't afford a full bitcoin and Litecoin is on the larger exchanges so they dump some money into that instead.

There is a lot of common misunderstanding about which alternative to btc is “cheap” or not. The best answer I can give is if you want a cheap coin just treat 1/10th of a btc as being “a coin”. Would it make Apple stock any cheaper if it had a 10:1 stock split? Well noninally yes, but you would need to buy 10 times the number to get the same % ownership of the company.

But yes we will see money flow around various perceived next best alternatives. One of which is litecoin. Also check out Bitcoin Cash. But personally, I would just keep buying BTC (for reasons explained before).

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« Reply #1069 on: December 11, 2017, 02:40:49 PM »
I like a good debate and enjoy proving people wrong in person as much as I do online.

The fact that gold is "backed by thousands of years of history" in no way is any kind of proof that BTC is a scam. Its only inevitable that a digital currency will evolve much much faster than gold did as a store of value.

You say that BTC is "backed by nothing" - yes, its correct there is no government backing – obviously there are no underlying assets and this is literally the entire point of bitcoin! (just like gold by the way).

You say that BTC has not transparency - but actually it is 100% transparent - that the entire point of the distributed ledger and the blockchain!

The Ponzi scam involved one person benefitting by paying out a fraudulent yield from ever increasing new investors. With BTC there is no yield being paid for a start, nor is there a person perpetrating a kind of fraud who might be benefitting from the deception of others.

BTC and gold are entirely dependent on the continued adoption and belief of inherent value by others. Both have zero Government backing.

If anything, the "fraud" being committed, is by Governments who steal from people by printing paper money (effectively devaluing people's savings), and indeed the creation of BTC was a reaction to that.

So now that we have concluded that BTC cannot be considered a fraud or a Ponzi scheme, what you should be asking (and maybe what you meant all along) is whether BTC is a "bubble". And this simply cannot be answered - the reason being that BTC cannot be valued. An and for a bubble to be proven to exist, it is required for there to be a calculable inherent value in the asset alleged to be a bubble. This cannot be done for BTC (but it can be done for assets that produce yields, such as stocks or property).

Now finally, you tried to scare everyone with your claims that futures trading will lead to BTC falling in value, and to be scared of "naked shorting", as though this is some kind of mystical boogie-man coming to kill BTC. I will say it again - futures trading will massively legitimize BTC, further putting it on a similar footing to gold. We will likely see far far more money flowing into the underlying asset as a result. Futures now make it very easy for asset managers to diversify into bitcoin now and an asset like bitcoin as they can not get exposure without the need to buy and hold the underlying asset.

"Naked shorting", involves selling a futures contract without holding the underlying asset (in this case bitcoin). The risk here as a naked shortseller is that your loss is potentially unlimited. If the price of bitcoin rises you lose more and more money. So its a massively risky position to be taking on a asset who's value cannot be calculated. At least early on, I don't expect much in the way of large-scale naked shorts in the bitcoin futures market, expect for a few very speculative gambles. It would simply be too much of a risky trade to make in an asset class that has in the past haw shown high amounts of volatility and overall upward movement. So, if anything, I would expect to see substantial long positions instead.

Again, I cannot say with certainty what will happen, but I will try to explain whatever has happened as futures start trading. I would add that uncertainty always creates opportunity to make $$$.

Good luck to all, and time will tell who was right...


Oh and $17,000.

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« Reply #1070 on: December 11, 2017, 04:12:28 PM »
Day #1 of futures trading. Still early days but there was no “massive shorting”. Indeed as I had predicted longs outweighed shorts.

https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-back-17k-set-new-time-high/

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« Reply #1071 on: December 11, 2017, 04:59:17 PM »

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« Reply #1072 on: December 11, 2017, 05:08:06 PM »
So far every year in Jan bitcoin crashes. Look at the charts

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« Reply #1073 on: December 11, 2017, 05:21:16 PM »
Oh and $17,000.

wasnt it $18,000 yesterday? so today it's worth less

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« Reply #1074 on: December 11, 2017, 05:28:21 PM »
wasnt it $18,000 yesterday? so today it's worth less


You will find divergence on different exchanges. Yes, some have had sales over 18K. I am a very conservative investor so always gravitate towards the lowest price quotes, hence 17K is the highest I have called so far.

(Also this enables me to have more "ammo" in my responses to Mr A - you will notice every single time I post a price it is higher than the last, enabling me to demonstrate an overall nice smooth upward trend in prices). "That damn parabolic curve, I can hear Mr A muttering..."