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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #3425 on: October 28, 2020, 07:40:53 AM »
By "Cash them in", do you mean sell in return for cash? If so, the answer is simple. You transfer any portion of the bitcoin you have and wish to sell, to someone who wishes to buy that amount. In exchange, they give you a mutually agreed amount in cash (and whatever currency you agree upon) in return. Just like how you would sell gold, or how you would convert any other type of currency or asset into cash.

Thanks for the reply, but I figured that already. I can walk into a local pawn shop and cash in gold or silver coins.
LOL, I can't walk onto a car lot and pay for it via direct transfer of bitcoin to the dealer.

I read from a variety of finance sources that banks won't accept bitcoin as a legit form of currency.
I don't know of anyone that used bitcoin to pay for a home mortgage.
Looks kinda shady to me.

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« Reply #3426 on: October 28, 2020, 08:04:15 AM »
Thanks for the reply, but I figured that already. I can walk into a local pawn shop and cash in gold or silver coins.
LOL, I can't walk onto a car lot and pay for it via direct transfer of bitcoin to the dealer.

I read from a variety of finance sources that banks won't accept bitcoin as a legit form of currency.
I don't know of anyone that used bitcoin to pay for a home mortgage.
Looks kinda shady to me.

Blips are a trading/gambling vehicle... nothing more.  It pumps, then it dumps.   

Go back and read this thread from the beginning and what our resident bliptard was claiming... pure nonsense.

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« Reply #3427 on: October 28, 2020, 11:03:20 AM »
Blips are a trading/gambling vehicle... nothing more.  It pumps, then it dumps.   

Go back and read this thread from the beginning and what our resident bliptard was claiming... pure nonsense.

Exactly!

"Owning" someone on getbig won't add real money to your bank account.

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« Reply #3428 on: October 28, 2020, 02:32:45 PM »
I read from a variety of finance sources that banks won't accept bitcoin as a legit form of currency.
I don't know of anyone that used bitcoin to pay for a home mortgage.
Looks kinda shady to me.

It is currency on the black market but it ends there pretty much.  I have paid for my gear in BTC for many years.

For 95% of other holders it is speculative.

There will be many pump and dumps due to it trying to expand it's market penetration.

Gib ate a lot of shit in his other thread. BTC did crash but he still made 5x his initial investment.

I bumped this thread back at the start of corona and said it will go on a run and i was in. I said it would outstrip stocks and gold due to it's volatility and newness in the market. Gold keeps banging it's banging it's head on the ceiling because there is no real inflation (despite many here disagreeing) and i have been right about gold. Stocks are kept afloat by QE and the market is nervous as QE has just blown up the financial metrics (i can expand on that if someone wants).

Crtypo meanwhile 80% gains....... 

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« Reply #3429 on: October 28, 2020, 03:59:41 PM »
It is currency on the black market but it ends there pretty much.  I have paid for my gear in BTC for many years.

For 95% of other holders it is speculative.

There will be many pump and dumps due to it trying to expand it's market penetration.

Gib ate a lot of shit in his other thread. BTC did crash but he still made 5x his initial investment.

I bumped this thread back at the start of corona and said it will go on a run and i was in. I said it would outstrip stocks and gold due to it's volatility and newness in the market. Gold keeps banging it's banging it's head on the ceiling because there is no real inflation (despite many here disagreeing) and i have been right about gold. Stocks are kept afloat by QE and the market is nervous as QE has just blown up the financial metrics (i can expand on that if someone wants).

Crtypo meanwhile 80% gains.......
 

Blips have more in common with a casino game than anything else. 

They're 70-80% correlated to the overall stock market movement.

Yes, there is inflation.  Government inflation numbers conveniently leave out food and energy...  the things people need the most.  Food "shrink-flation" is a real thing.   

What world are you living in?  Take off your blindfold.

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« Reply #3430 on: October 28, 2020, 04:38:01 PM »
 

Blips have more in common with a casino game than anything else. 

They're 70-80% correlated to the overall stock market movement.

Yes, there is inflation.  Government inflation numbers conveniently leave out food and energy...  the things people need the most.  Food "shrink-flation" is a real thing.   

What world are you living in?  Take off your blindfold.
I spent 30 yrs putting  $$ in the bond market and blended funds  . I have a secure monthly retirement supplement now.
Trust me, I'm no investment expert and used a mainstream investment firm.
I don't understand how digging into esoteric financial theories , helps the avg person invest.

FYI, Bitcoin sounds more like playing Fantasy Football on Draft kings, then a legit investment tool. ;D

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« Reply #3431 on: October 28, 2020, 06:36:24 PM »
 

They're 70-80% correlated to the overall stock market movement.

Yes, there is inflation.  Government inflation numbers conveniently leave out food and energy...  the things people need the most.  Food "shrink-flation" is a real thing.   


Lol wait what? BTC is positively correlated with the overall stock market? The same market, which over time has continuously moved UPWARDS OVER TIME, is positively correlated with an asset that you have continuously, wrongly, predicted would DECLINE AND BECOME WORTHLESS)? Maybe we are making some slight progress with you after all...

And yet a further irony is that you get, and indeed are extremely conscious of devaluation of currencies caused by inflation. Hence your strong preference for gold and silver (both of which have been massively out-performed as a store of value and hedge against inflation by bitcoin). This is a self owning by BTC against your own preferred assets:) Don't get angry at blips got doing that. It is what it is. They do what they do.

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« Reply #3432 on: October 28, 2020, 06:42:12 PM »
I spent 30 yrs putting  $$ in the bond market and blended funds  . I have a secure monthly retirement supplement now.
Trust me, I'm no investment expert and used a mainstream investment firm.
I don't understand how digging into esoteric financial theories , helps the avg person invest.

FYI, Bitcoin sounds more like playing Fantasy Football on Draft kings, then a legit investment tool. ;D

Howard, I am not sure of your age, but I can tell you for a whole generation under 40, putting faith in a yellow metal, or an "investment advisor firm", or even money in a bank controlled by 3rd parties, (as apposed to a digital and immutable ledger of mutually agreed value), sounds far more unusual (not to mention risky, impractical, outmoded, and inconvenient).

I will make a numbered summary of all the key points that I have explained in this thread at some point, which I will then post from time to time with a numeric guide to answering common questions or areas of confusion. Just no time right now to do this.

But again, if you care about your future, I urge you to put a little money now towards BTC and hold forever. Its your chance to capture and preserve a store of value, which may be hugely beneficial to you in the future if certain scenarios play out.

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« Reply #3433 on: October 29, 2020, 12:52:10 AM »
 

Blips have more in common with a casino game than anything else. 

They're 70-80% correlated to the overall stock market movement.

Yes, there is inflation.  Government inflation numbers conveniently leave out food and energy...  the things people need the most.  Food "shrink-flation" is a real thing.   

What world are you living in?  Take off your blindfold.

CPI includes food and energy, the things people need the most. A whopping 1.7% year ending September for the US so fuck knows where your imaginary inflation is coming from for food and energy.

The CPI metric is correct and you are wrong.

Interest rates going down, gold has even stalled and you still argue inflation is rampant and everything is rigged because you are so wrong about it all lol. 

 I give you a 10/10 for going full retard though which is a pretty good rating.

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« Reply #3434 on: October 29, 2020, 02:30:23 AM »
CPI includes food and energy, the things people need the most. A whopping 1.7% year ending September for the US so fuck knows where your imaginary inflation is coming from for food and energy.

The CPI metric is correct and you are wrong.

Interest rates going down, gold has even stalled and you still argue inflation is rampant and everything is rigged because you are so wrong about it all lol. 

 I give you a 10/10 for going full retard though which is a pretty good rating.

I wonder if you guys might be actually arguing about something you are actually both somewhat in agreement with. Here's my take:

Currently many things are becoming cheaper, both to increased efficiencies in production and manufacturing, logistics, energy etc, Food, electronic items, cars, transport, clothes, beverages, music, literary works, shoes, etc all are cheaper in real terms. Enhanced even more so by the short term deflationary effect of covid (which reduces demand more then supply and hence reduces price). AT THE SAME TIME, we are seeing increased creation of money, and likely much more than what is needed to offset deflation in the long term. That, combined with an ever flattening yield curve and longer term super low interest rates has had an inflationary effect on income producing asset prices, particularly real estate and stocks, (as the rate of risk free return investors are prepared to accept has increasingly fallen, meaning the that "P" of the PE of such assets rises when compared to the "E", especially when there is more money than ever chasing a yield. Other "stores of value," though not income producing, such as art, old, and Bitcoin are also positively impacted as there is now less of a need to show a return on such assets given the almost zero return on cash, particularly when the value of cash is being eroded every second over time due to money printing.

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« Reply #3435 on: October 29, 2020, 03:30:01 AM »
I spent 30 yrs putting  $$ in the bond market and blended funds  . I have a secure monthly retirement supplement now.
Trust me, I'm no investment expert and used a mainstream investment firm.
I don't understand how digging into esoteric financial theories , helps the avg person invest.

FYI, Bitcoin sounds more like playing Fantasy Football on Draft kings, then a legit investment tool. ;D

Whenever you ask a cryptocel to explain the point of crypto, and why it's not gambling, the reply can normally be summed up with the following gif:


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« Reply #3436 on: October 29, 2020, 03:40:21 AM »
Gambling, crypto currencies, stock market, commodities market and sports betting are all speculation.  It's all the same except for the time it takes to collect or lose the money invested.

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« Reply #3437 on: October 29, 2020, 06:02:20 AM »
Avanti Financial Joins Kraken as a Wyoming-Approved Crypto Bank


Avanti Financial’s banking charter was approved unanimously by the Wyoming State Banking Board on Wednesday, becoming the second newly chartered bank in the state in 2020 after Kraken Financial earned approval last month.

Avanti, like Kraken, now has to jump through a few hoops – like raising more capital – before it can be granted a certificate of authority to operate.

“Kraken definitely captured attention, but now that there’s a second one chartered it’s no longer a one-off situation and a trend is in motion,” Long told CoinDesk in an email.

Along with the charter approval, the banking board approved Avanti’s future issuance of Avit, a programmable electronic currency that’s redeemable at par with a U.S. dollar. The Avit is not a security token, meaning it is not a digital representation of an investment that’s expected to generate returns.



https://www.coindesk.com/avanti-financial-joins-kraken-as-a-wyoming-approved-crypto-bank

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« Reply #3438 on: November 01, 2020, 09:50:36 AM »
Another one of your million dollar ventures.



It sure as hell isn't mine.   You can sign up for Freebay at no cost and start doing business with bitcoin and cryptocurrency along with tools to trade them.   Whether someone signs up or not, no money comes out of my pocket other than the domain names that I paid a lousy 6 dollars for.   I'm only saying it since you guys are talking about it but not doing anything about it.   

I started this a long time ago and I profited hugely off it and it allowed me to escape Sylva and pay off my debts.   Now there is the NEW v999 and g999 coins you can get ahold of so again I'll provide you with my 6 dollar domain, www.ourmoneyisgold.info.   If you have no intention of trading and buying bitcoin and cryptocurrency like I do, you can at least promote the business and make some money
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« Reply #3439 on: November 01, 2020, 03:35:23 PM »
I wonder if you guys might be actually arguing about something you are actually both somewhat in agreement with.

If you ignored how the monetary system functions and flow on impacts and simply said 'inflation will cause consumer prices to rise' well then sure.......

However, doing that which is what Anabolic does, means you have NFI how to predict what lies ahead because you ignore the underlying mechanics.

This is why Anabolic, along with the majority of the population (he isn't alone) believes QE is the death.   However someone like myself with an understanding of how it works knows the switch to debt 40yrs ago was the death march and that QE will be the bailout.

You wind up with 2 extremely different predictions.
 Anabolic says the USD dies next year and the US will sink alone. He stopped predicting gold values when i pointed out gold hitting a ceiling and it'd bounce around for a while.

My predictikn was crypto would outstrip metals and stocks. More importantly i was able to outline the functional reasons why......And here we are with crypto up almost 100%. I say 2021 runs deficits in the realm of the 70s and 80s with 15%-25% increase in currency to keep the money supply afloat. Once afloat, we will see what their next step is.

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« Reply #3440 on: November 05, 2020, 05:40:15 PM »
If you ignored how the monetary system functions and flow on impacts and simply said 'inflation will cause consumer prices to rise' well then sure.......

However, doing that which is what Anabolic does, means you have NFI how to predict what lies ahead because you ignore the underlying mechanics.

This is why Anabolic, along with the majority of the population (he isn't alone) believes QE is the death.   However someone like myself with an understanding of how it works knows the switch to debt 40yrs ago was the death march and that QE will be the bailout.

You wind up with 2 extremely different predictions.
 Anabolic says the USD dies next year and the US will sink alone. He stopped predicting gold values when i pointed out gold hitting a ceiling and it'd bounce around for a while.

My predictikn was crypto would outstrip metals and stocks. More importantly i was able to outline the functional reasons why......And here we are with crypto up almost 100%. I say 2021 runs deficits in the realm of the 70s and 80s with 15%-25% increase in currency to keep the money supply afloat. Once afloat, we will see what their next step is.


There's two types of inflation, the usual asset price and product price inflation due to monetary expansion, currency holders grumble but put up with the hidden tax. The far more devastating "loss of confidence in the currency" inflation -> hyperinflation, currency holders begin to exit, when holders of the currency begin exiting the remaining holders have to take the hit of all the accumulated inflation that was just dumped by the exiters

As unbelievable as it sounds the US$ is definitely starting to feel some of the effects of the latter. Microstrategy is putting reserves into BTC precisely for these stated reasons, and they are the in the vanguard.

Hyperbitcoinisation is now becoming a distinct possibility.


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« Reply #3441 on: November 05, 2020, 06:19:03 PM »

There's two types of inflation, the usual asset price and product price inflation due to monetary expansion, currency holders grumble but put up with the hidden tax. The far more devastating "loss of confidence in the currency" inflation -> hyperinflation, currency holders begin to exit, when holders of the currency begin exiting the remaining holders have to take the hit of all the accumulated inflation that was just dumped by the exiters

As unbelievable as it sounds the US$ is definitely starting to feel some of the effects of the latter. Microstrategy is putting reserves into BTC precisely for these stated reasons, and they are the in the vanguard.

Hyperbitcoinisation is now becoming a distinct possibility.
Bitcon is in Vanguard funds?

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« Reply #3442 on: November 05, 2020, 07:29:14 PM »
Bitcon is in Vanguard funds?

Yes.

Further, we might even start to see various listed companies (especially in Fintech) actually report earnings in BTC (as opposed to USD).

I have said it many times before - anyone how is currently privileged enough now (and that is most Americans and getbiggers) to be able to own some bitcoin should do so ASAP to ensure they preserve (or enhance) their status in a possible new world. There are numerous future scenarios (not implausible) where BTC  provides a huge hedge and upside if you own some.

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« Reply #3443 on: November 05, 2020, 08:21:18 PM »
By "Cash them in", do you mean sell in return for cash? If so, the answer is simple. You transfer any portion of the bitcoin you have and wish to sell, to someone who wishes to buy that amount. In exchange, they give you a mutually agreed amount in cash (and whatever currency you agree upon) in return. Just like how you would sell gold, or how you would convert any other type of currency or asset into cash.


Hey Vince, how is uncle Tedros of WHO fame !.  ;D

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« Reply #3444 on: November 05, 2020, 08:37:51 PM »
By "Cash them in", do you mean sell in return for cash? If so, the answer is simple. You transfer any portion of the bitcoin you have and wish to sell, to someone who wishes to buy that amount. In exchange, they give you a mutually agreed amount in cash (and whatever currency you agree upon) in return. Just like how you would sell gold, or how you would convert any other type of currency or asset into cash.


Science Fiction to the max . You obviously never ever travel to other continents & exchange cash !.

Ah, Vince !.  ::)

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« Reply #3445 on: November 05, 2020, 10:26:30 PM »

There's two types of inflation, the usual asset price and product price inflation due to monetary expansion, currency holders grumble but put up with the hidden tax. The far more devastating "loss of confidence in the currency" inflation -> hyperinflation, currency holders begin to exit, when holders of the currency begin exiting the remaining holders have to take the hit of all the accumulated inflation that was just dumped by the exiters

As unbelievable as it sounds the US$ is definitely starting to feel some of the effects of the latter. Microstrategy is putting reserves into BTC precisely for these stated reasons, and they are the in the vanguard.

Hyperbitcoinisation is now becoming a distinct possibility.

This article explains what I think both you are saying.

In summary USD is continuously being devalued. Anyone holding USD cash is essentially being stolen from by the Government (not just by taxes in income and capital gains), but more insidiously by the Government creating more money (which has the effect of devaluing the purchasing power of those who are paid in cash or who store wealth in cash). This results in nominal cost of goods and services rising (or quality of what is provided for the same price falling or shrinking over time).

The traditional (and still current) defense against this phenomenon is to buy stocks. Gold played a historical role as a store of value (and is still relevant in this role today, although becoming less so). As we move to a digitized, mobile and globalized world, BTC is continuing to grow as a collectively agreed on store of value, controlled by no person or Government, and immutable and pure (not to mention limited in supply) as it is based on the truth of a mathematical algorithm. And this is why it is so so important to own some.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/inflationism-has-overturned-society?

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« Reply #3446 on: November 06, 2020, 12:39:42 AM »
It is currency on the black market but it ends there pretty much.  I have paid for my gear in BTC for many years.

For 95% of other holders it is speculative.

There will be many pump and dumps due to it trying to expand it's market penetration.

Gib ate a lot of shit in his other thread. BTC did crash but he still made 5x his initial investment.

I bumped this thread back at the start of corona and said it will go on a run and i was in. I said it would outstrip stocks and gold due to it's volatility and newness in the market. Gold keeps banging it's banging it's head on the ceiling because there is no real inflation (despite many here disagreeing) and i have been right about gold. Stocks are kept afloat by QE and the market is nervous as QE has just blown up the financial metrics (i can expand on that if someone wants).

Crtypo meanwhile 80% gains.......

Really? xrp went up 80%? thats crypto. It hasn't moved in over a year and is down big time from its high.
I'm sure there are other examples.


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« Reply #3447 on: November 06, 2020, 12:49:46 AM »
Really? xrp went up 80%? thats crypto. It hasn't moved in over a year and is down big time from its high.
I'm sure there are other examples.

I have never been an advocate of other cryptos (all of which are basically imitators). An infinite number of cryptos can be produced, so taken to its logical conclusion all cryptos would eventually fail through market saturation, unless we all collectively gravitate towards one. And that is exactly what is happening.

This is why it is important to BUY BITCOIN.

The dominance of BTC vs alts is rising, and this will keep happening as society collectively agrees on a global digital currency. Look at were the smart money is going. These are powerful people and organizations, who in turn have huge incentives and resources to ensure their investment of choice grows in value. And that in turn is collectively pooling into Bitcoin. We may see the occasional alt pop up due to some kind of hype, but in general both individuals and corporate investors are now much smarter this time around.

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« Reply #3448 on: November 06, 2020, 01:01:06 AM »
I'm all for bitcoin. It isn't going anywhere. I just don't like the use of the word crypto in the way it was used.in the above example

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« Reply #3449 on: November 06, 2020, 02:59:01 AM »
I'm all for bitcoin. It isn't going anywhere. I just don't like the use of the word crypto in the way it was used.in the above example

Yeah got it. Its a bit like saying "metals" when referring to gold. Yes, gold is a metal, but not all metals are gold...