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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8825 on: June 17, 2022, 02:30:04 PM »
It's unfair to be shitting on bitcoin for this dip. Everything is down heavily. I had a 30% profit on index funds all wiped out to 0.18% lmao.

I'm just pissed off I don't have cash right now lol.

What's your guys estimate of how long this bear market will last? I'm hoping I can buy some of the dip this year.

Perfectly legit to shit on Bitcoin. It’s currently an underperforming asset class:


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« Reply #8826 on: June 17, 2022, 03:53:38 PM »
I think he means for this 4 year cycle, mini S curve.

Correct, cheers.

For 2020-2021 we saw the largest increase in the money supply pretty much in our lifetime…… and Bitcoin hit 65k.

We have not seen any major shift away from other asset classes to suggest that BTC is the only option which was the main narrative. Property has gone bananas. Sharemarket has gone bananas. Used cars went up. Collectibles went up. This is the same outcome as previous monetary inflation periods therefore we have no change to the mix.

There is also my opinion that belief of value is first then supply/demand drives price action meaning the adoption curve doesn’t predict price, it merely predicts participants. It’s an ironic example of the internet that people show for this because the internet got more and more expensive….. then mass adoption hit and it got cheaper and cheaper. Being a store of value isn’t exactly holding up right now as all models have blown to pieces to the downside.

I have an issue with the market structure for Bitcoin success. We are at lows right now and BTC dominance is in the 44s. If alts are supposed to die off then how does that happen if 95% of them are still humming along? That’s the true inconvenient question because if we start afresh then BtC is at 45% and declines in dominance to 2024-25 somewhere under 20%.

That’s my read on it.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8827 on: June 17, 2022, 03:57:03 PM »
FWIW I also doubled my HEX position last night @ 0.031.

Currently it’s the only one that has a good drop under its ATH.

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« Reply #8828 on: June 17, 2022, 05:28:29 PM »

There is also my opinion that belief of value is first then supply/demand drives price action meaning the adoption curve doesn’t predict price, it merely predicts participants. It’s an ironic example of the internet that people show for this because the internet got more and more expensive….. then mass adoption hit and it got cheaper and cheaper. Being a store of value isn’t exactly holding up right now as all models have blown to pieces to the downside.

I have an issue with the market structure for Bitcoin success. We are at lows right now and BTC dominance is in the 44s. If alts are supposed to die off then how does that happen if 95% of them are still humming along? That’s the true inconvenient question because if we start afresh then BtC is at 45% and declines in dominance to 2024-25 somewhere under 20%.

That’s my read on it.

More participants should in theory mean BTC becomes more scarce and that would drive price. Anyway I think it makes more sense to look at it more from the point of crypto adoption rather than just BTC adoption if making comparisons to other technology.

If nothing was built to take advantage of the internet then it would have died as no one would use it. Same with crypto, you need things built on it that people want to use.

I don't think you were wrong with your intial assessment that btc dominance would continue up higher. The current downtrend looks more like a blip. This was the best take on the situation that I've found.

https://twitter.com/hodlKRYPTONITE/status/1536609042952757249

His summary "If you are wondering why BTC and ETH are the first to be sold off, its because in a crisis, you sell what you can. Not what you want. There is no liquidity for shitcoins/ "alts"/ dreams"

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8829 on: June 17, 2022, 05:56:38 PM »

Bitcoin is only worth anything if there are miners operating computer complexes...If there are no miners anywhere...Then Bitcoin would be worthless?

Its rather like comparing a movie on DVD and a streaming service....If the online service stop carrying that movie and you don't have the DVD...

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« Reply #8830 on: June 17, 2022, 07:24:38 PM »
More participants should in theory mean BTC becomes more scarce and that would drive price. Anyway I think it makes more sense to look at it more from the point of crypto adoption rather than just BTC adoption if making comparisons to other technology.

If nothing was built to take advantage of the internet then it would have died as no one would use it. Same with crypto, you need things built on it that people want to use.

I don't think you were wrong with your intial assessment that btc dominance would continue up higher. The current downtrend looks more like a blip. This was the best take on the situation that I've found.

https://twitter.com/hodlKRYPTONITE/status/1536609042952757249

His summary "If you are wondering why BTC and ETH are the first to be sold off, its because in a crisis, you sell what you can. Not what you want. There is no liquidity for shitcoins/ "alts"/ dreams"

I agree with this, though as I see it everything these altcoins can do Btc can also do on layers 2 ,3,4 without base layer centralisation. I'm predicting Btc as more applications are built on the ntc network over the next  10years then it should capture 60-70% dominance.


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« Reply #8831 on: June 18, 2022, 12:59:11 AM »
More participants should in theory mean BTC becomes more scarce and that would drive price. Anyway I think it makes more sense to look at it more from the point of crypto adoption rather than just BTC adoption if making comparisons to other technology.

If nothing was built to take advantage of the internet then it would have died as no one would use it. Same with crypto, you need things built on it that people want to use.

I don't think you were wrong with your intial assessment that btc dominance would continue up higher. The current downtrend looks more like a blip. This was the best take on the situation that I've found.

https://twitter.com/hodlKRYPTONITE/status/1536609042952757249

His summary "If you are wondering why BTC and ETH are the first to be sold off, its because in a crisis, you sell what you can. Not what you want. There is no liquidity for shitcoins/ "alts"/ dreams"

Something can be scarce and worthless. Hence my argument has been belief in value first and then supply/demand dictates price action. I’ll say it again, on chain proves me correct yet nobody is actually connecting the dots. Scarcity does not equal price unless belief is there…..

19.2k now and less coins on exchanges so it’s even more scarce yet price is plummeting because belief left the building.

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« Reply #8832 on: June 18, 2022, 01:20:13 AM »
Something can be scarce and worthless. Hence my argument has been belief in value first and then supply/demand dictates price action. I’ll say it again, on chain proves me correct yet nobody is actually connecting the dots. Scarcity does not equal price unless belief is there…..

19.2k now and less coins on exchanges so it’s even more scarce yet price is plummeting because belief left the building.

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Actually thinking  your 96k 2025 prediction might to be spot on. If we did dip below previous bull cycles ATH then I would of had 150k+ on the cards.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8833 on: June 18, 2022, 01:28:07 AM »
BTC $ 18,979.28

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« Reply #8834 on: June 18, 2022, 01:32:41 AM »
Actually thinking  your 96k 2025 prediction might to be too conservative afterall. If we did dip below previous bull cycles ATH then I would of had 150k+ on the cards.

18.8k now and you are bullish?

99.99% of price predictions failed to the upside. Every model broke.

99.99% of price predictions failed so far to the downside and we entered new territory.

The structure has changed. We got more adoption along with the most inflationary period in our lifetime and we only 3x. Imagine if we got 3% money supply expansion instead 👀 nobody wants to consider that.

Less coins on exchanges, more adoption and we are now below the previous ATH yet scarcity…….

I like all of you so I apologise if I come across rude or condescending. It’s an act I play here ok.

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« Reply #8835 on: June 18, 2022, 01:42:46 AM »
18.8k now and you are bullish?

99.99% of price predictions failed to the upside. Every model broke.

99.99% of price predictions failed so far to the downside and we entered new territory.

The structure has changed. We got more adoption along with the most inflationary period in our lifetime and we only 3x. Imagine if we got 3% money supply expansion instead 👀 nobody wants to consider that.

Less coins on exchanges, more adoption and we are now below the previous ATH yet scarcity…….

I like all of you so I apologise if I come across rude or condescending. It’s an act I play here ok.

You're no longer bullish long-term?

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« Reply #8836 on: June 18, 2022, 01:52:25 AM »
18.8k now and you are bullish?

99.99% of price predictions failed to the upside. Every model broke.

99.99% of price predictions failed so far to the downside and we entered new territory.

The structure has changed. We got more adoption along with the most inflationary period in our lifetime and we only 3x. Imagine if we got 3% money supply expansion instead 👀 nobody wants to consider that.

Less coins on exchanges, more adoption and we are now below the previous ATH yet scarcity…….

I like all of you so I apologise if I come across rude or condescending. It’s an act I play here ok.

Sorry edited my post, meant 96k on the money next  ATH. Seems the leverage is getting sucked out.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8837 on: June 18, 2022, 02:20:36 AM »
You're no longer bullish long-term?

The Bitcoin structure changed. Top of S-curve now.

2011 to 2014 —> 38x
2014 to 2017 —> 19x
2017 to 2021 —> 3.5x

We just had THE most inflationary period in our lifetime and got 3.5x. Next top is 96k.

I’m following my own opinion for 8mths and things happening according to my strategy.

Sorry edited my post, meant 96k on the money next  ATH. Seems the leverage is getting sucked out.

Ok cool. I’m playing my strategy on 96k regardless of whatever anyone says.

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« Reply #8838 on: June 18, 2022, 02:40:01 AM »
The Bitcoin structure changed. Top of S-curve now.

2011 to 2014 —> 38x
2014 to 2017 —> 19x
2017 to 2021 —> 3.5x

We just had THE most inflationary period in our lifetime and got 3.5x. Next top is 96k.

I’m following my own opinion for 8mths and things happening according to my strategy.


Where do you see ETH at the next top if BTC at 96k?

And what is your time-frame?

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« Reply #8839 on: June 18, 2022, 03:10:24 AM »
Where do you see ETH at the next top if BTC at 96k?

And what is your time-frame?

My thread has more details in it with strategy and why.

Peak is either 2024 or maybe 2025. I don’t know yet.

ETH 6.5k.

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« Reply #8840 on: June 18, 2022, 11:02:03 AM »
The scam continues.

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« Reply #8841 on: June 18, 2022, 11:30:23 AM »
I hope you geniuses in here give some guidance over the next few months so some of us commoners can join the dubai, India millionaires club  ;D

What price point are you guys looking for to start buying?

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« Reply #8842 on: June 18, 2022, 11:53:31 AM »
The scam continues.

You still have goofs like this spewing absurdities on Twitter. Nobody’s “Long Term Thesis” included a drop of this magnitude.



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« Reply #8843 on: June 18, 2022, 12:37:27 PM »
I don't think the carnage is done.

Bitcoin broke a critical support at $19K. If I had to guess, I'd say it's going down to about $10-$12K. I hope I am wrong on this, but the greater economy likely supports my thesis. Still, even at the price of $10K, I am not too sure I would jump at it, just not enough ROI at these prices. I want greater than 10x.

Ethereum is currently at around $939. I could see it go down to as low to as the $400 range. If it does, I'll probably scoop up about $4-5,000. Then again, I would also (depending on how low they go) through about another $2-$4,000 on Altcoins.

Hard to say how low things will go, but if Bitcoin hits $10-12K, the market will follow. If Ethereum hits around $400, I will go in on $ETH and also spread some money across Altcoins that show promise towards utility.

I'm an ultra-safe investor, not trader, so don't expect fireworks from me.

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« Reply #8844 on: June 18, 2022, 12:50:54 PM »
I hope you geniuses in here give some guidance over the next few months so some of us commoners can join the dubai, India millionaires club  ;D

What price point are you guys looking for to start buying?

Some big players failed and/or got margin called (there may still be more to come) Leverage is unwinding and no one really knows how much leverage is involved in crypto to call a bottom.

Significant amounts of money won't make it's way back into crypto until the stock markets bottoms and there is also the bitcoin halving around may 2024. So the bottom could be any time from now until May 2024.

If the stock markets recover by May 2024 and crypto is still a thing then buying before then would be your best chance of seeing some profit.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8845 on: June 18, 2022, 01:10:07 PM »
BTC $ 17,946.27

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« Reply #8846 on: June 18, 2022, 01:13:45 PM »
Something can be scarce and worthless. Hence my argument has been belief in value first and then supply/demand dictates price action. I’ll say it again, on chain proves me correct yet nobody is actually connecting the dots. Scarcity does not equal price unless belief is there…..

19.2k now and less coins on exchanges so it’s even more scarce yet price is plummeting because belief left the building.

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Without more participants (supply/demand) then yeah it can be scare and worthless.

Scarcity is more an argument why bitcoin is better than fiat, but both still rely on ponzi tokenomics. Why bother with btc/crypto if it doesn't offer something different to traditional finance?

More participants (more buyers) + scarcity push the price up (btc model)
More participants without scarcity leaves participants vulnerable to printing (fiat model)

Scarcity with a diminishing number of buyers/more selling equals a slow bleed
Scarcity with a leverage unwinding equals capitulation.

If BTC survives a recession and we get another cycle it's scarcity + leverage buying that what will send it to new ATH.

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« Reply #8847 on: June 18, 2022, 01:19:01 PM »
Will Clemente
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17.7k now 👀

Will is all in at last bid of 23.8k. It’d more polite if he simply called people spastics. His way seems much more nasty than how I do it.

PlanB is much worse than Will. Says he is holding to either 0 or 1M then days later makes a
Statement that he doesn’t HoDL lol. Plus his models broke and he won’t acknowledge it. You can even see it’s broken to the downside yet he pushes 1M in 2024-25.

Saylor now has 2.7B debt vs 2.3B assets with a business servicing half that debt at 6% at a loss. There is no way the board would have approved this ratio, they can’t.

My feed full of degenerate 100x longs being liquidated constantly. Not long to go now.

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« Reply #8848 on: June 18, 2022, 01:34:38 PM »
Without more participants (supply/demand) then yeah it can be scare and worthless.

Scarcity is more an argument why bitcoin is better than fiat, but both still rely on ponzi tokenomics. Why bother with btc/crypto if it's no different than traditional finance?

More participants (more buyers) + scarcity push the price up (btc model)
More participants without scarcity leaves participants vulnerable to printing (fiat model)

Scarcity with a diminishing number of buyers/more selling equals a slow bleed
Scarcity with a leverage unwinding equals capitulation.

If BTC survives a recession and we get another cycle it's scarcity + leverage buying that what will send it to new ATH.
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Even with the same participants it can become worthless. It’s trend and group think.this is why I dont like the scarcity argument because it’s scarce when value goes up for a year then 3yrs of bear market where it isn’t scarce apparently. Therefore it’s a fixed quantity of product which simply trends once every few years, nothing more.

When we have a bad harvest of bananas prices goes quadruple and we might say bananas are scare due to low yield. Then when yields return to normal and we have bananas cheap again we don’t continue saying bananas are scarce, just less scarce than before. 

I know I can’t explain this in words of how I think btw. I am utterly retarded in my thinking but it does work

BTC will be fine, just different structure now.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8849 on: June 18, 2022, 02:31:19 PM »
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Even with the same participants it can become worthless. It’s trend and group think.this is why I dont like the scarcity argument because it’s scarce when value goes up for a year then 3yrs of bear market where it isn’t scarce apparently. Therefore it’s a fixed quantity of product which simply trends once every few years, nothing more.

When we have a bad harvest of bananas prices goes quadruple and we might say bananas are scare due to low yield. Then when yields return to normal and we have bananas cheap again we don’t continue saying bananas are scarce, just less scarce than before. 

I know I can’t explain this in words of how I think btw. I am utterly retarded in my thinking but it does work

BTC will be fine, just different structure now.

I get your example, but it doesn't include leverage buying.

Let's say there is a steady conveyor belt of good banana harvests. Bananas are cheap and I buy x100 leverage and a bunch of other people did the same. There is constant demand for bananas, but price remains the same as supply meets demand. I'm not making any money.

Some fungus spreads and starts slowly killing banana plants, so supply is steadily reduced. Demand remains, so price increases. Myself and others cash some leverage gains in and buy with leverage again, but bigger. Price shoots up, banana addicts still keep buying at the inflated prices, supply further decreases, more leverage, price goes parabolic. It comes crashing down when banana addicts start feeling nauseous and stop buying bananas. Leverage winners cash out, price drops and eventually degens who messed up on leverage go broke and it all unwinds. Bananas are now cheap, scarce and there isn't much appetite for them.

Without leverage in this example banana prices go up lets says 10% every harvest due to ever increasing scarcity, until a new equilibrium between demand and supply is reached.

Without demand, leverage and scarcity you wouldn't get this parabolic type of price action. Without demand there is no price action, without leverage and scarcity there are no parabolic bullruns or capitulations.

A lot of non degens would prefer leverage wasn't allowed. Leverage and the wild swings in price causes fomo and fear on the demand side. Scarcity plus constant demand without leverage would see price go up more linearly and then plateau. Great if you got in early, but if you're hoping for another cycle you don't want this.