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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8825 on: June 18, 2022, 12:50:54 PM »
I hope you geniuses in here give some guidance over the next few months so some of us commoners can join the dubai, India millionaires club  ;D

What price point are you guys looking for to start buying?

Some big players failed and/or got margin called (there may still be more to come) Leverage is unwinding and no one really knows how much leverage is involved in crypto to call a bottom.

Significant amounts of money won't make it's way back into crypto until the stock markets bottoms and there is also the bitcoin halving around may 2024. So the bottom could be any time from now until May 2024.

If the stock markets recover by May 2024 and crypto is still a thing then buying before then would be your best chance of seeing some profit.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8826 on: June 18, 2022, 01:10:07 PM »
BTC $ 17,946.27

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8827 on: June 18, 2022, 01:13:45 PM »
Something can be scarce and worthless. Hence my argument has been belief in value first and then supply/demand dictates price action. I’ll say it again, on chain proves me correct yet nobody is actually connecting the dots. Scarcity does not equal price unless belief is there…..

19.2k now and less coins on exchanges so it’s even more scarce yet price is plummeting because belief left the building.

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Without more participants (supply/demand) then yeah it can be scare and worthless.

Scarcity is more an argument why bitcoin is better than fiat, but both still rely on ponzi tokenomics. Why bother with btc/crypto if it doesn't offer something different to traditional finance?

More participants (more buyers) + scarcity push the price up (btc model)
More participants without scarcity leaves participants vulnerable to printing (fiat model)

Scarcity with a diminishing number of buyers/more selling equals a slow bleed
Scarcity with a leverage unwinding equals capitulation.

If BTC survives a recession and we get another cycle it's scarcity + leverage buying that what will send it to new ATH.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8828 on: June 18, 2022, 01:19:01 PM »
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If your long term Bitcoin investment thesis changes because of the price, you never understood Bitcoin

17.7k now 👀

Will is all in at last bid of 23.8k. It’d more polite if he simply called people spastics. His way seems much more nasty than how I do it.

PlanB is much worse than Will. Says he is holding to either 0 or 1M then days later makes a
Statement that he doesn’t HoDL lol. Plus his models broke and he won’t acknowledge it. You can even see it’s broken to the downside yet he pushes 1M in 2024-25.

Saylor now has 2.7B debt vs 2.3B assets with a business servicing half that debt at 6% at a loss. There is no way the board would have approved this ratio, they can’t.

My feed full of degenerate 100x longs being liquidated constantly. Not long to go now.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8829 on: June 18, 2022, 01:34:38 PM »
Without more participants (supply/demand) then yeah it can be scare and worthless.

Scarcity is more an argument why bitcoin is better than fiat, but both still rely on ponzi tokenomics. Why bother with btc/crypto if it's no different than traditional finance?

More participants (more buyers) + scarcity push the price up (btc model)
More participants without scarcity leaves participants vulnerable to printing (fiat model)

Scarcity with a diminishing number of buyers/more selling equals a slow bleed
Scarcity with a leverage unwinding equals capitulation.

If BTC survives a recession and we get another cycle it's scarcity + leverage buying that what will send it to new ATH.
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Even with the same participants it can become worthless. It’s trend and group think.this is why I dont like the scarcity argument because it’s scarce when value goes up for a year then 3yrs of bear market where it isn’t scarce apparently. Therefore it’s a fixed quantity of product which simply trends once every few years, nothing more.

When we have a bad harvest of bananas prices goes quadruple and we might say bananas are scare due to low yield. Then when yields return to normal and we have bananas cheap again we don’t continue saying bananas are scarce, just less scarce than before. 

I know I can’t explain this in words of how I think btw. I am utterly retarded in my thinking but it does work

BTC will be fine, just different structure now.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8830 on: June 18, 2022, 02:31:19 PM »
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Even with the same participants it can become worthless. It’s trend and group think.this is why I dont like the scarcity argument because it’s scarce when value goes up for a year then 3yrs of bear market where it isn’t scarce apparently. Therefore it’s a fixed quantity of product which simply trends once every few years, nothing more.

When we have a bad harvest of bananas prices goes quadruple and we might say bananas are scare due to low yield. Then when yields return to normal and we have bananas cheap again we don’t continue saying bananas are scarce, just less scarce than before. 

I know I can’t explain this in words of how I think btw. I am utterly retarded in my thinking but it does work

BTC will be fine, just different structure now.

I get your example, but it doesn't include leverage buying.

Let's say there is a steady conveyor belt of good banana harvests. Bananas are cheap and I buy x100 leverage and a bunch of other people did the same. There is constant demand for bananas, but price remains the same as supply meets demand. I'm not making any money.

Some fungus spreads and starts slowly killing banana plants, so supply is steadily reduced. Demand remains, so price increases. Myself and others cash some leverage gains in and buy with leverage again, but bigger. Price shoots up, banana addicts still keep buying at the inflated prices, supply further decreases, more leverage, price goes parabolic. It comes crashing down when banana addicts start feeling nauseous and stop buying bananas. Leverage winners cash out, price drops and eventually degens who messed up on leverage go broke and it all unwinds. Bananas are now cheap, scarce and there isn't much appetite for them.

Without leverage in this example banana prices go up lets says 10% every harvest due to ever increasing scarcity, until a new equilibrium between demand and supply is reached.

Without demand, leverage and scarcity you wouldn't get this parabolic type of price action. Without demand there is no price action, without leverage and scarcity there are no parabolic bullruns or capitulations.

A lot of non degens would prefer leverage wasn't allowed. Leverage and the wild swings in price causes fomo and fear on the demand side. Scarcity plus constant demand without leverage would see price go up more linearly and then plateau. Great if you got in early, but if you're hoping for another cycle you don't want this.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8831 on: June 18, 2022, 03:41:36 PM »
I suspect Mayday will be right and Coinbase will eventually limit or stop withdrawals. It has tanked harder than Bitcoin itself.



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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8832 on: June 18, 2022, 03:52:40 PM »
When you start hearing very dramatic price rise predictions, it typically means the party is almost over. When Bitcoin was at 60k, there was talk of 250k.

You’re hearing the same about Oil, now.


‘Wakey, wakey. We are not going back to normal business in a few months’: A top hedge-fund manager says crude oil prices could hit $250 this year – Fortune

https://fortune.com/2022/03/24/oil-prices-rise-250-2022-pierre-andurand/




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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8833 on: June 18, 2022, 04:24:17 PM »


A lot of non degens would prefer leverage wasn't allowed. Leverage and the wild swings in price causes fomo and fear on the demand side. Scarcity plus constant demand without leverage would see price go up more linearly and then plateau. Great if you got in early, but if you're hoping for another cycle you don't want this.

This. Greed, gambling, fear are all characteristics of human nature and its entrenched in every market. Ask yourself, will these humans characteristics  embedded in our DNA since our beginnings  all of a sudden shut off and vanish?

Leverage and scarcity = parabolic rise = temporary euphoria.  Eventually it unwinds and capitulates, only to repeat its process.

"This time is different " is a narrative I've parroted and its been wrong. No its not, same market, same human characteristics.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8834 on: June 18, 2022, 04:27:17 PM »
18.8k now and you are bullish?


 

I've been bullish since $200, term used back then was hopeful. I'm not a trader, so bullish or bearish really doesn't effect me.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8835 on: June 18, 2022, 04:44:27 PM »
I get your example, but it doesn't include leverage buying.

Let's say there is a steady conveyor belt of good banana harvests. Bananas are cheap and I buy x100 leverage and a bunch of other people did the same. There is constant demand for bananas, but price remains the same as supply meets demand. I'm not making any money.

Some fungus spreads and starts slowly killing banana plants, so supply is steadily reduced. Demand remains, so price increases. Myself and others cash some leverage gains in and buy with leverage again, but bigger. Price shoots up, banana addicts still keep buying at the inflated prices, supply further decreases, more leverage, price goes parabolic. It comes crashing down when banana addicts start feeling nauseous and stop buying bananas. Leverage winners cash out, price drops and eventually degens who messed up on leverage go broke and it all unwinds. Bananas are now cheap, scarce and there isn't much appetite for them.

Without leverage in this example banana prices go up lets says 10% every harvest due to ever increasing scarcity, until a new equilibrium between demand and supply is reached.

Without demand, leverage and scarcity you wouldn't get this parabolic type of price action. Without demand there is no price action, without leverage and scarcity there are no parabolic bullruns or capitulations.

A lot of non degens would prefer leverage wasn't allowed. Leverage and the wild swings in price causes fomo and fear on the demand side. Scarcity plus constant demand without leverage would see price go up more linearly and then plateau. Great if you got in early, but if you're hoping for another cycle you don't want this.

Less coins now therefore it’s more scarce yet price is -70%.

I can’t word it any other way as I’m redarded. Ponder this and if you get it, accept it and then you can move more freely in your thinking. I’m not trying to be rude, I can’t explain this very well at all and I know in me trying I’ll do a piss poor job and look like an idiot.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8836 on: June 18, 2022, 04:53:38 PM »
When you start hearing very dramatic price rise predictions, it typically means the party is almost over. When Bitcoin was at 60k, there was talk of 250k.

You’re hearing the same about Oil, now.


‘Wakey, wakey. We are not going back to normal business in a few months’: A top hedge-fund manager says crude oil prices could hit $250 this year – Fortune

https://fortune.com/2022/03/24/oil-prices-rise-250-2022-pierre-andurand/


Coinbase have a 5,000 BTC loan which they went long and are near liquidation price. Crazy.


Looks like that double top on oil was playing out, not quite a double top but close. This is a very good sign for me. Things are all pointing towards Q2 recession which means CPI will be under control by Q4 and we go agains on the next inflationary wave (in my strategy).

The CPI will be a magical fix. We will see the % drop but prices will be sticky and everyone will be confused. Q4 2021 CPi was already 7% meaning our CPI begins getting compared to historic numbers that were already topping out and therefore drops towards the 2%-3% target.

 This CPI one is pretty much pure evil on how to fuck with metrics and hide it from people.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8837 on: June 19, 2022, 12:19:47 AM »
For my American friends, Asia already retested and was rejected. My current feed, people are joyful, happy, all tweeting messages about how we are so early and the space needs to mature.

We Can buy BTC from Grayscale for 12k right now.

my next line was at that mark So let’s see if Wall St begin knocking on Grayscale’s door to buy. If they aren’t interested at 12k you need to ask yourself, why are you buying.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8838 on: June 19, 2022, 03:06:53 AM »
18.8k now and you are bullish?

99.99% of price predictions failed to the upside. Every model broke.

99.99% of price predictions failed so far to the downside and we entered new territory.

The structure has changed. We got more adoption along with the most inflationary period in our lifetime and we only 3x. Imagine if we got 3% money supply expansion instead 👀 nobody wants to consider that.

Less coins on exchanges, more adoption and we are now below the previous ATH yet scarcity…….

I like all of you so I apologise if I come across rude or condescending. It’s an act I play here ok.

or you could just stop pretending you know whats going on,  and pretending your ahead of the curve like some swami

why dont you just just shut up for a week,

if you can

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8839 on: June 19, 2022, 11:52:15 AM »
or you could just stop pretending you know whats going on,  and pretending your ahead of the curve like some swami

why dont you just just shut up for a week,

if you can

Price forecasting has a very long history of failure. It doesn’t work. Why? There are too many variables. So, the predictions end up being a guess.



https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/cryptocurrency/articles/could-bitcoin-hit-200000-in-2022/


Cryptocurrency analysts are a quirky, opinionated bunch. An article two weeks ago published on Insider.com -- formerly Business Insider -- cited the following price predictions from investment banking analysts: Goldman Sachs forecast BTC would reach $100,000 in 2022; JPMorgan had it at $148,000 last November but slashed it to $38,000 last month; while Citigroup projected Bitcoin would reach $318,000 by Dec. 2021 and has not revised that target.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8840 on: June 19, 2022, 02:01:43 PM »
Less coins now therefore it’s more scarce yet price is -70%.

I can’t word it any other way as I’m redarded. Ponder this and if you get it, accept it and then you can move more freely in your thinking. I’m not trying to be rude, I can’t explain this very well at all and I know in me trying I’ll do a piss poor job and look like an idiot.

I don't see scarcity as a price driver which is the point I think you're trying to get across. So we're on the same page there.

Scarcity in BTC works in kinda the same way liquidity does for a stock. The more illiquid (scarce) a stock the less buy/sell pressure it generally needs to send the price up or down. Similarly a lot of buy/sell pressure causes big jumps up or down in price.

As bitcoin becomes more scarce the easier it gets to potentially send the price up (or down) So yeah a few years of money printing was needed to send BTC to 69k. You probably wont need the same conditions for the price to hit 69K again if bitcoin survives and becomes more scarce.

Scarcity helps creates big price jumps both up and down, so from my point of view the more scarce BTC gets the better. My goal and presumably yours is to try catch the price action in crypto on a parabolic run up and try to get out before it crashes down. Scarcity helps facilitate (not drive) this price action.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8841 on: July 03, 2022, 04:21:10 AM »
Everyone is calling for a dump with the next 48 hours. Will be interesting how far they can send it down. Some believe it can go down another 50%, others believe price will just chop as leverage has already unwound.

Also a famous BTC maxi flipped and is now an ETH maxi. Probably just a coincide he is now shilling a web3.0 product.

Looks look web3.0 coins and tokens will be the next cycles ICO/defi/nft.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8842 on: July 03, 2022, 04:39:46 AM »
I will buy ETH at $88.
Bitcoin cannot be lower than $12,000
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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8843 on: July 03, 2022, 06:18:09 AM »
Once the circus has packed up and moved to another town it’s best to do the same. Even when it does bottom it’ll probably linger around there for an extended period.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8844 on: July 13, 2022, 11:55:15 AM »
Where is GIB?

is this a good time to buy, to be a one coiner?

buy now, or wait?
I need advice.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8845 on: July 13, 2022, 02:11:22 PM »
Where is GIB?

is this a good time to buy, to be a one coiner?

buy now, or wait?
I need advice.

Anyone who would buy Bitcoin now is just taking a wild guess that this is a bottom that will suddenly reverse and keep going.

The actual evidence is that Bitcoin is in a sustained downward trend that has shown no indication of a bottom.


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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8846 on: July 13, 2022, 04:24:55 PM »
I will buy ETH at $88.
Bitcoin cannot be lower than $12,000
You might then wait forever and never have ETH lol!

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« Reply #8847 on: July 13, 2022, 04:25:58 PM »
Anyone who would buy Bitcoin now is just taking a wild guess that this is a bottom that will suddenly reverse and keep going.

The actual evidence is that Bitcoin is in a sustained downward trend that has shown no indication of a bottom.
Everyone is calling for the crypto prices to tank after today's news and yet it actually went up a little. We'll see what happens. A lot of weak hands apparently in love with the useless dollar.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8848 on: July 13, 2022, 04:29:00 PM »
Apparently the dollar is strong - well then why are prices rising if the dollar was so strong? This is all bullshit spin to try and make people feel good about things getting more expensive. It's all right, the dollar is strong so don't mind $10 per gallon of gas!

The dollar is not strong. It is weaker than it has ever been compared to the cost of everything you buy. At some point this will sink in and perhaps then crypto will go up again. If anything crypto should go up along with the cost of everything else. It will happen once salaries start rising. And it will. Salaries will eventually go up to keep pace with inflation.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #8849 on: July 13, 2022, 04:30:26 PM »
Where is GIB?

is this a good time to buy, to be a one coiner?

buy now, or wait?
I need advice.
Best approach is to DCA. Because you never know when's the bottom or top.