Mike Mentzer

[Sergio Rules 77]

He's making a comeback with craig titus at the O this year.

Craig has to have a date with old sparky before he can compete against Mike.

SERGIO!!!!

[The Squadfather]

Jeff Everson said Mike was weak in the gym.

[pobrecito]

Jeff Everson said Mike was weak in the gym.

If being weak means you look like this, sign me up 

[The Squadfather]

If being weak means you look like this, sign me up 

oh believe me i wasn't criticizing Mike's build by any means just saying that i read it in Planet Muscle, Jeff said that Mike had trouble push pressing 225 overhead at a Superstars competition but jeff also said that Mike blew him out of the water physique wise.

[Matt C]

MORE PICTURES OF MIKE:

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegym

Bluto hates when I plug my site on here, posts bait for me like this thread. 

[The Squadfather]

If being weak means you look like this, sign me up 

by the way the arms on that first picture are so photoshopped is hilarious.

[Archer77]

by the way the arms on that first picture are so photoshopped is hilarious.

I agree.  Ive seen th is picture numerous times and it seems altered here.

[pumpster]

I don't think he was ahead of his time at all, given that Viator and others had already done same.

[D.L. 5]

IT WILL TAKE DECADES BEFORE HE GET THE RECOGNITION HE DESERVES

well said, high intensity training the only complete scientific method of training.

he made the biggest contribution to exercise science and bodybuilding theory.

[Deadpool]

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[BEAST 8692]

Mike was incredibly intelligent but I'm not so sure bodybuilding can be debated in terms of the philosophy of objectivism as he contested so passionately.

Here is an EXCELLENT DVD if you want to see Mike's intelligence shine though.  It's too bad that meth took control of him, as many drugs do to those not strong enough to fight them.

DVD REVIEW:

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegymdvd.html

I just skimmed over that review and found this comment from Mike:

As a meth addict when he was alive, he really shouldn't have been coming down on the drug problems of others. 

mike was a hypocrite in a lot of ways.

it wasn't his training philosophy that sucked (btw it wasn't his it was arthur jones') it was the way he arrogantly dismissed any contention to his philosophy. he accused others like arnold of having a closed mind but he wasn't receptive to ideas at all and i think the comment by mike that Matt C pointed out just typifies his hypocrisy.

i could also point out many further examples of his hypocrisy eg. training: he obsessively advocated the 1 set hit principle simples, yet he performed much more volume in his own training at the time.

i liked his individualism and integrity but the fact is, HE DID NOT INVENT HIT/HEAVY DUTY/WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANT TO CALL IT, ARTHUR JONES DID.

[pobrecito]

Arthur Jones may have invented it, but Dorian perfected it.

[D.L. 5]

wat mike advocates is totally different to arthur, read the books and u will see why.

[BEAST 8692]

wat mike advocates is totally different to arthur, read the books and u will see why.

ok, now that you have made that assertion i will assume that you have read the books and can therefore explain to me why?

you will not because you can't. every single principle mentzer had came from jones.

[D.L. 5]

ok, now that you have made that assertion i will assume that you have read the books and can therefore explain to me why?

you will not because you can't. every single principle mentzer had came from jones.

well arthur advocates to work out three times a week i believe. mike advocates one workout every 5-7 days and as u get advanced u add more rest days. also he advocates only 4-5 sets per workout.

I personally have not read arthur jones materials but i read and heard mike distinguish the differences of where he disagress with arthur and went in his own direction, he also made a lecture which is recorded both on dvd and in mp3 where he goes into detail about such things.

even dorian is not a true h.i.t disciple because he uses different rep speed and more sets. (The use of a quick rep speed with h.i.t principles is a recipe for injury)

[BEAST 8692]

well arthur advocates to work out three times a week i believe. mike advocates one workout every 5-7 days and as u get advanced u add more rest days. also he advocates only 4-5 sets per workout.

I personally have not read arthur jones materials but i read and heard mike distinguish the differences of where he disagress with arthur and went in his own direction, he also made a lecture which is recorded both on dvd and in mp3 where he goes into detail about such things.

even dorian is not a true h.i.t disciple because he uses different rep speed and more sets. (The use of a quick rep speed with h.i.t principles is a recipe for injury)

sounds like maybe you should read more arthur jones stuff then.

jones was the original thinker, not mentzer. jones advocated less training with high intensity along with more recovery because of that higher intensity. he was also the first to say that, as a trainee becomes stronger he makes greater inroads into his recovery and therefore requires even more rest ie twice weekly/less often.

[pumpster]

Arthur Jones may have invented it, but Dorian perfected it.

Silly revisionist history from a Yates groupie.

[MikeThaMachine]

He's making a comeback with craig titus at the O this year.

To bad Francois and Munzer will beat them both.

[BEAST 8692]

To bad Francois and Munzer will beat them both.

hang on

mike francois' not dead is he

[D.L. 5]

sounds like maybe you should read more arthur jones stuff then.

jones was the original thinker, not mentzer. jones advocated less training with high intensity along with more recovery because of that higher intensity. he was also the first to say that, as a trainee becomes stronger he makes greater inroads into his recovery and therefore requires even more rest ie twice weekly/less often.

thanks beast, is there a particular book by jones u recomend to read?

[210 and growing]

well arthur advocates to work out three times a week i believe. mike advocates one workout every 5-7 days and as u get advanced u add more rest days. also he advocates only 4-5 sets per workout.

I personally have not read arthur jones materials but i read and heard mike distinguish the differences of where he disagress with arthur and went in his own direction, he also made a lecture which is recorded both on dvd and in mp3 where he goes into detail about such things.

even dorian is not a true h.i.t disciple because he uses different rep speed and more sets. (The use of a quick rep speed with h.i.t principles is a recipe for injury)

There is no way on this earth the majority of people could get any sort of decent physique whatsoever (muscle wise), from 1 workout every 5-7 days. You would have to have the best genetics to make much gains from that programme

[D.L. 5]

There is no way on this earth the majority of people could get any sort of decent physique whatsoever (muscle wise), from 1 workout every 5-7 days. You would have to have the best genetics to make much gains from that programme

i am getting good gains even in a calorie deficit and doing alot of cardio.

[210 and growing]

i am getting good gains even in a calorie deficit and doing alot of cardio.

Really? How long have you been training? I would imagine beginners could as their bodies arent used to training, but for more advanced lifters sitting round for 6 days a week just doesnt make sense to me. Obviously you need rest, but i dont think many people could get anywhere near their potential training less than 3 times per week

[Archer77]

Ive always read, from Mentzer's articles or proponents of his training philosophy about how HIT is the only scientifically sound way to train.  Unfortunately I haven't read any real scientific studies to back that up. The much vaunted Colorado experiment inst what you would call scientifically sound.  There was  no control subjects or strict methodology used.  A lot of the training philosophy seemed to depend on generalizations about human physiology such as each person is relatively the same and that stimulation applied will be relatively the same, recuperation times are relatively the same and if a person is not benefiting from training the automatic response is to decrease stimulation.  It doesn't seem to take into account genetic variations in the human population such as recuperative variances and hormonal makeup.  This is my initial opinion of HIT, though it might change as I look at it further.

[MikeThaMachine]

hang on

mike francois' not dead is he

No but Craig Titus isn't yet either...