Casey Viator admits he (and Mentzer) used high doses and GH

[Howard]

Good post and cool pic Vince.

These kind of drug revelations are hardly shocking.
The top pros did whatever it took  and always have.

Ray Mentzer stayed at my place for many, many months. We didn't discuss steroids much because I wasn't interested in using them. When Ray returned to the US he tried to compete once more and his weight went up to over 280 pounds. That was around 1989. I stayed with Ray and Pam in Torrance in 1991. Ray told me he got sick when he got huge. He said a lot of the other guys at Golds who were around 300 pounds were also getting sick. I didn't ask for any details because Ray is a proud guy so I left it alone. He died in 2001 from kidney disease complications as he was on dialysis.

When Ray was training for the Mr America contest in 1979 his mother died. Ray told me he would have trained 24 hours a day if that would have helped him win that title for his mum. Now that is motivation. I have no doubt that Ray would have done what ever was required to win a big contest. Mike won the Mr Universe title while both won the Mr America contest. Ray was a bit jealous of Mike partly because he told me his dad favoured Mike. So I guess Ray wanted to show his dad that he could also win that title. Ray was very cavalier about steroids. He called them gonad stimulators and he didn't consider them dangerous. His partner, Kathy, told us she couldn't live with Ray when he and his friends were preparing for competitions. They would take things to hype themselves up for a workout then take things afterwards as well. Plus the steroids. Ray was only 47 when he died and Mike died two days earlier aged 49. Two smart guys who were a bit reckless with their health and paid the price for abusing a lot of chemicals.

[thegamechanger]

yeah i mean we got the "the more the better" attitude... then there wasnt as much talk about side effects etc, it wasnt as illegal (or was it even illegal?) back then... i just find very few arguments to WHY NOT... costs would be one of the few reasonable explanations to as why some of the stuff wasnt used (along with availalbility)

[_aj_]

This must really bum Oldtimer out.

[Natural Man]

lol can you imagine the shit guys like ramy and heath must be on...

[funk51]

viator admitted doing extra training during the colorado experiment..

[NarcissisticDeity]

I've always heard Casey (especially with Arthur Jones hating drugs and training him) used very low doses, some even claimed he was natural. Came across someone who interviewed him and he admits they not only did have/use Growth Hormone, but took huge dosages that would equal what most use today.

DISCOVERING THE TRUTH
I have fairly recently trained down in Florida with top pro of the 70's and early 80's CASEY VIATOR.
I asked him directly about steroid use in the 70's and this is what he had to say.... and I quote...
"Don't let anyone fool you about our low doses. We were just as reckless with steroid use as they are today."
I asked him when the big doses started....
" The big doses started around 1974 and yes we were all right on top of it". Yes we ALL used GH back then and it was from real cadavers. The GH we all used was called CRESCORMIN and nobody was going to morgues to get it".
I wanted an example and I told him about what I heard my mentor, and his friend and former training partner, Mike Mentzer used......only 400 of deca/week and 30 of d-bol/day.
CASEY LAUGHED and then said this...." Mentzer used up to 2.5 grams of deca a week, God knows how much primobolin acetate, along with d-bol and growth, so as I said don't be fooled about our low doses as we were just as reckless as theses guys are today. 

http://irongangsta.blogspot.com.es/2013/04/bodybuilding-dirty-little-secrets.html?m=1

All Hearsay. Show me a video of Casey saying this then I'll believe it.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

I doubt the GH use, although it did happen, was that huge back then. It was still tightly controlled, and the cost in 1982 was $10,000 a year (around $25,000 a year in 2015 dollars) for a relatively light course of it by bodybuilding standards. It would've been much more back in the 70's.

Genentech was the real breakthrough in GH back around 1984/5.

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/05/29/sports/sports-people-hormones-for-athletes.html .

Weider allegedly had many "hookups" for such things...And prices were pennies on the dollar. Guy's back then were Guinea pigs...Weider probably had a deal with big pharma and used bodybuilders as in many different trials for all sorts of shit.

[The_Iron_Disciple]

I and many members of our football team took Dbol back in the mid 80's when I attended Lord Beaverbrook High school in Calgary.   I remember it being relatively cheap.   The person who supplied our football team with Dbol as well as all the Bennies we wanted was Chris Benoit, who was wrestling with Stampede Wrestling at the time.  (Was prior to him going to the WWF).   Chris and his buddy Ben Bassarab would show up twice a month, and park their tiny car in the corner of the back lot, and take orders. I don't recall him offering any injectables.   Was mostly Dbol, Anadrol 50 and bennies.   Cheap Cheap Cheap.   This would have been around 84-85

Jesus, man. Hell of a story. How was Chris back then ?

[oldtimer1]

yeah im pretty sure about that, i think i read it in a flex magazine article the rise and fall of mike mentzer


his close friends said he was making about a million a year before he died.

A million? He lived in a ratty apartment building. I don't even know if he had a car at the end. At his peak due to books, Weider, appearances and other venues he was making 200K in the late 70's and early 80's.  That was sick money back then. Then the money all went away when his mental health failed along with his drug addiction. He lost money trying to start a failed magazine that cut him off from weider. He also had a crazy idea he could make bodybuilding films investing in expensive outdated movie making equipment. All he needed was a camera but he bought professional editing equipment that he never made a profit from it's use.

[flinstones1]

Basically they worked harder, stuff was more potent back then, etc.

Hear the first one the most personally. Apparently hard work overcomes thousands of milligrams of steroids...old guys like to talk how terrible/laughable it is that someone is using 1.2 grams of test (for example) when "back in the day" they got monstrous on 350mg.

The "more potent" argument is funny as well as they still make a lot of the comments in the last argument to talk about how crazy someone is when in reality if the stuff was so much better back then, than that 1.2gr test user is only taking about 250mg, etc. according to them.

Basically it's bogus that they believe these guys took low doseages to begin with.

.  Stuff was not more potent back then. 300mg eq is 300ng eq and most pros use an ugl. The guys you hear saying that shit was better back then  are 30 years older no shit they don't respond to gear as well anymore. Undersized maybe but not less potent lol

[funk51]

 

[oldtimer1]

This must really bum Oldtimer out.

What bums me out? That he used drugs?  I would bet he used drugs for his first contest and last. Dianabol, Winstrol, Deca, anavar, Anadrol 50 and few others were big in the early 70's.

His best condition was  in the early 80's when everyone who trained in the gym can testify he used volume and and lot of it.

[Rudee]

Jesus, man. Hell of a story. How was Chris back then ?

He was a normal guy.  Quiet.

[thegamechanger]

i guess casey didnt believe in training chest

[Hulkotron]

And Casey was in his by far best condition in 1971 100% natural.  Jones had his Nautilus paid apartnent searched regularly & had it bugged.  Anybody who thinks Casey fooled Jones is dumb as shit besides not knowing spit about how ruthless & violently opposed to drugs Jones was.  Ask Jim Flannigan he'll tell ya.

IOW - All the drugs he used did nothing to improve his physique.  Just as jones told him.

 

[thegamechanger]

what if he tricked jones by saying the steroids was just liver pills

[goku]

lol can you imagine the shit guys like ramy and heath must be on...

biggest difference between then and now is the massive reliance on peptides. really is a peptide game now, gear is a given but mega peptide use changed everything.

lantus at 100ius minimum, 24 hour duration
20ius humulin pre workout and with select meals
seros can be cheap if you have a decent hook up, most prescribed gh out there. 18ius vials, if afforded can bang in an entire vial a day.
that with grams of gear, nothing fancy just test and an anabolic will make a monster in truth.

only difference really is probably just the slin and ease of access to gh.
but the 90's era had the perfect balance, best of both worlds - 70's golden era aesthetics with 80's level of condition and modern era level of mass.
regressed badly though recent times with guys too trigger happy with the slin and going all out for mass,

[Howard]

what if he tricked jones by saying the steroids was just liver pills

LOL, I doubt Jones cared and simply wanted to "prove" Nautilus machines and HIT were the superior path.

[BigRo]

biggest difference between then and now is the massive reliance on peptides. really is a peptide game now, gear is a given but mega peptide use changed everything.

lantus at 100ius minimum, 24 hour duration
20ius humulin pre workout and with select meals
seros can be cheap if you have a decent hook up, most prescribed gh out there. 18ius vials, if afforded can bang in an entire vial a day.
that with grams of gear, nothing fancy just test and an anabolic will make a monster in truth.

only difference really is probably just the slin and ease of access to gh.
but the 90's era had the perfect balance, best of both worlds - 70's golden era aesthetics with 80's level of condition and modern era level of mass.
regressed badly though recent times with guys trigger happy with the slin and going all out for mass,

we dont know that there all banging in that much slin and gh

[_aj_]

 

Look at the size of that forearm!

[Hulk-smash!]

Gunnar Rosbo & Casey Viator compare forearms.

[oldschoolfan]

i have caseys book

he stated in his book pre contest training he did a ton of volume training

he told me himself through emails   you need volume training to get the refined look in

[wes]

I've always heard Casey (especially with Arthur Jones hating drugs and training him) used very low doses, some even claimed he was natural. Came across someone who interviewed him and he admits they not only did have/use Growth Hormone, but took huge dosages that would equal what most use today.

DISCOVERING THE TRUTH
I have fairly recently trained down in Florida with top pro of the 70's and early 80's CASEY VIATOR.
I asked him directly about steroid use in the 70's and this is what he had to say.... and I quote...
"Don't let anyone fool you about our low doses. We were just as reckless with steroid use as they are today."
I asked him when the big doses started....
" The big doses started around 1974 and yes we were all right on top of it". Yes we ALL used GH back then and it was from real cadavers. The GH we all used was called CRESCORMIN and nobody was going to morgues to get it".
I wanted an example and I told him about what I heard my mentor, and his friend and former training partner, Mike Mentzer used......only 400 of deca/week and 30 of d-bol/day.
CASEY LAUGHED and then said this...." Mentzer used up to 2.5 grams of deca a week, God knows how much primobolin acetate, along with d-bol and growth, so as I said don't be fooled about our low doses as we were just as reckless as theses guys are today. 

http://irongangsta.blogspot.com.es/2013/04/bodybuilding-dirty-little-secrets.html?m=1

This comes as quite a shock !!

[goku]

we dont know that there all banging in that much slin and gh

yea definitely some will be taking less, but slin and even gh is just too accessible to not abuse.
even here in the uk GH can be easy-ish to pay for -
buy pens in bulk get it down to around hundred a pen, sell for 140 per 36iu pen which is cheaper than anything online
sell 10 pens which will pay for own monthly use.
just 2 months ago there was a shipment of medicines with a large amount of boxes gone missing from airport cargo!
normally not that obvious but you get boxes missing from shipments regularly - i know because a supplier at my gym profited from having an uncle work as a pharmacy depot delivery driver! home delivery service, refrigerated vans etc
inventories surprisingly lax when it comes to a few 100 geno pens!

these are just gym rats who are lucky with their connects, abusing pharma gh, slin and gear looking like mini monsters.
for ifbb pro's this is their full time job so connects for gh is part and parcel. Kjellstrom is an example, pharmacom for free. sells gh to clients and gym buds - pays for his own.
top tier guys just on another level i guess, i dont know how they do it but they're top of the food chain with big contracts so im guessing everything paid for already.

but really its just too easy not to do. if there's nobodies in my gym easily abusing pharma gh through having good connects and selling on then you can imagine what pro's who do this for a living would do.
slin is nigh on free, even i get slin for free and gear cheap and i work 45 hours for a living.

[Core]

yea definitely some will be taking less, but slin and even gh is just too accessible to not abuse.
even here in the uk GH can be easy-ish to pay for -
buy pens in bulk get it down to around hundred a pen, sell for 140 per 36iu pen which is cheaper than anything online
sell 10 pens which will pay for own monthly use.
just 2 months ago there was a shipment of medicines with a large amount of boxes gone missing from airport cargo!
normally not that obvious but you get boxes missing from shipments regularly - i know because a supplier at my gym profited from having an uncle work as a pharmacy depot delivery driver! home delivery service, refrigerated vans etc
inventories surprisingly lax when it comes to a few 100 geno pens!

these are just gym rats who are lucky with their connects, abusing pharma gh, slin and gear looking like mini monsters.
for ifbb pro's this is their full time job so connects for gh is part and parcel. Kjellstrom is an example, pharmacom for free. sells gh to clients and gym buds - pays for his own.
top tier guys just on another level i guess, i dont know how they do it but they're top of the food chain with big contracts so im guessing everything paid for already.

but really its just too easy not to do. if there's nobodies in my gym easily abusing pharma gh through having good connects and selling on then you can imagine what pro's who do this for a living would do.
slin is nigh on free, even i get slin for free and gear cheap and i work 45 hours for a living.

im starting to think bigro is trolling when he talks about gear, the man is so full of shit it's not even funny anymore.
so thats right, a guy tryin to get big as possible isnt going to use a super powerful anabolic drug that is not only legal but often times free or almost so? wow. gotta be dumb as a brick to think someone wouldnt.