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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #50 on: July 03, 2015, 06:36:48 PM »
Sean rey behaves like a south korean in that article

Sounds like an outbreak of Transracial is spreading!!!!!! 

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #51 on: July 03, 2015, 06:55:11 PM »
I don't understand why guys think Yates is lying about dosage. He is admitting use and is retired. Why would he lie about the dose? I just know in the 70's it was a fraction of this. Many times just one Anadrol 50 or a couple Dianabol and guys blew up. Then again the stuff wasn't made in the basement of hell hole apartment building in China. It was made in a major pharmaceutical factory in the US.

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #52 on: July 03, 2015, 07:05:01 PM »
I don't understand why guys think Yates is lying about dosage. He is admitting use and is retired. Why would he lie about the dose? I just know in the 70's it was a fraction of this. Many times just one Anadrol 50 or a couple Dianabol and guys blew up. Then again the stuff wasn't made in the basement of hell hole apartment building in China. It was made in a major pharmaceutical factory in the US.

Cause these are pro bbers in a industry of felons, drug dealers, drug problems, g4p, people who put bodies in a trunk and set it on fire, white towels... Yes, very respectable individuals who don't lie and always tells the truth 

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #53 on: July 03, 2015, 07:08:42 PM »
Yates was one of the first to use high doses of GH.  He claims 8iu?  He used 30-40iu, this is pretty well known, and from a very reliable person from the UK that knew him well.  Yes, pharm GH too.

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2015, 07:15:27 PM »
Yates was one of the first to use high doses of GH.  He claims 8iu?  He used 30-40iu, this is pretty well known, and from a very reliable person from the UK that knew him well.  Yes, pharm GH too.

Oh fuck off

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #55 on: July 03, 2015, 07:51:45 PM »
Cause these are pro bbers in a industry of felons, drug dealers, drug problems, g4p, people who put bodies in a trunk and set it on fire, white towels... Yes, very respectable individuals who don't lie and always tells the truth 

Which white towels are we talking about here? Do they have skidmarks and are piled in the corner of a hotel bathroom?

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #56 on: July 03, 2015, 08:36:33 PM »
Gee idk…maybe because he wants people to think he has great genetics? 

I don't think it's so much this either. Both drugs and genetics take away from they want you to perceived and believe. That they are champions because they train harder, sacrifice more, are more disciplined, stricter with their diet, research and know more about nutritional supplements.... their success all comes from within -- their drive and determination.

For them to admit how much drugs they really used diminishes their hard work and sacrifice (and they do work hard and make a lot of sacrifice. Anybody that has dieted for a show knows one aspect of the insanity they put their body's through).

Not as much with genetics as it is offset by letting people think and know how special you are.

I remember as a kid I use to hear the phrase: "Champions are made not born."

It's really the opposite. In nearly every, if not all, endeavors, the best of the best are simply gifted. Tiger Woods was world class at 19 years old. How could he have possible trained harder than anybody else being so young. I remember when they were recruiting Le Bron James to the pros right out of high school. How could he have possibly been doing any more and better than all the other college athletes that have also been shooting hoops since childhood?

In the case of bodybuilding they are all juicing to the limit, carrying around their 8 meals in tupperware, in the gym... the reason why Coleman dominated was that he simply responded better than everybody else.

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #57 on: July 03, 2015, 08:44:59 PM »
I'd rather they just denied using than this tired bullshit

give yates another decade and he might be close to admitting the truth, at least we've gone from '750mg test and some var' to admitting he took 2.5g 'at times' ie twice a week

blows my fucking mind how some people actually believe these guys were on men's physique doses to be almost as big as Ronnie onstage



and fucking LOL at the tired, retarded broscience that the gear 'back in the day' was somehow 10 x as strong as todays. Most Chinese product is 90% pure at absolute worst, and most UGs will gyp their customers a few 10's of mg at most.

Chinese powder test E at the same dose raises my blood levels to exactly the same numbers as my Magic TRT HG scrip




I think gear quality and potency varies widely today because of all the bathtub brewers but your are right. Nandrolone is a specific molecule and 200mgs of Deca is 200mgs of Deca whether from Organon or Balco Labs. I mean, guys get their Test levels check pretty routinely as you can buy those kits OTC when you come back at 5,000 ug/ml when the normal level is 600 ug/ml it's not like your 5000 total test is less potent than Gaspari's 5000 total test back in the day.

Bbers use so much because they have to. They are bigger and leaner than they have even been in history. You can argue they don't have the conditioning but that has to due more with skin thickness (insulin) and water retention  than actual body fat.

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #58 on: July 03, 2015, 09:35:26 PM »
Oh fuck off

Okay.  Great contribution, but what I said is true.

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #59 on: July 03, 2015, 10:01:37 PM »
Okay.  Great contribution, but what I said is true.

I have a good friend and reputable source that Dorian was on 7676 IU of marshmallow sauce.



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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #60 on: July 03, 2015, 11:21:33 PM »
2 very good posts above
From Pellius.

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #61 on: July 03, 2015, 11:38:52 PM »
Wasn't it Victor Richards claiming to be natural most of his life and taking no more that 200mgs of this or that like the filt Lee Priest.

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #62 on: July 04, 2015, 05:03:55 AM »
Sean rey behaves like a south korean in that article

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #63 on: July 04, 2015, 05:30:36 AM »
Gee idk…maybe because he wants people to think he has great genetics? 

He won the Mr. Olympia - he does.
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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #64 on: July 04, 2015, 06:22:45 AM »
I think gear quality and potency varies widely today because of all the bathtub brewers but your are right. Nandrolone is a specific molecule and 200mgs of Deca is 200mgs of Deca whether from Organon or Balco Labs. I mean, guys get their Test levels check pretty routinely as you can buy those kits OTC when you come back at 5,000 ug/ml when the normal level is 600 ug/ml it's not like your 5000 total test is less potent than Gaspari's 5000 total test back in the day.

Bbers use so much because they have to. They are bigger and leaner than they have even been in history. You can argue they don't have the conditioning but that has to due more with skin thickness (insulin) and water retention  than actual body fat.
The quality of muscle is not the same. The 90s guys had that "look", like the muscle was chiseled out of granite. Detailed, striated, etc. Today's guys look like their muscles are "blown up from within" like with air or water. That has to have something to do with the drugs.
Even Big Ramy, as much as he weighs, doesn't look as impressive as a 265-280 pound Dillett, let alone Ronnie or Dorian.

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #65 on: July 04, 2015, 06:25:33 AM »
The quality of muscle is not the same. The 90s guys had that "look", like the muscle was chiseled out of granite. Detailed, striated, etc. Today's guys look like their muscles are "blown up from within" like with air or water. That has to have something to do with the drugs.
Even Big Ramy, as much as he weighs, doesn't look as impressive as a 265-280 pound Dillett, let alone Ronnie or Dorian.

you got that right parker big ramy wouldnt crack the top 10 in the 90's 

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #66 on: July 04, 2015, 09:32:35 AM »
Most honest answers came from DY..he have no reason to lie about his doses.some genetically inferior people mostly dealers throwing crap on him.you scums only fooling yourself.like dorian said he is crushing your dreams.

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #67 on: July 04, 2015, 10:17:54 AM »
Most honest answers came from DY..he have no reason to lie about his doses.some genetically inferior people mostly dealers throwing crap on him.you scums only fooling yourself.like dorian said he is crushing your dreams.

So was he lying in the other interviews he did where he gave different doses? ???

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #68 on: July 04, 2015, 10:20:29 AM »
The only thing i trust is about french parabolan. Few guy at my old gym in France used them in the mid 90's. They can't support more than 3 amp a week.


The Real Parabolan was very very good.

1 amp a day was normal for a bodybuilder back in the day. We all knew back then that hgh kept the sides away

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #69 on: July 04, 2015, 10:26:35 AM »
Most honest answers came from DY..he have no reason to lie about his doses.some genetically inferior people mostly dealers throwing crap on him.you scums only fooling yourself.like dorian said he is crushing your dreams.




Lol....you have no idea of bodybuilding.



Is this board full of parrots and stupid people with no first hand experience with drugs?


A standard bulking cylcle back in the day was an amp of testoviron and an amp of organon deca a day....then throw in 10-15 ciba dbols

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #70 on: July 04, 2015, 11:49:10 AM »
There are a lot of reasons for not telling the whole truth.

Let's say one of those guys did something idiotic and extreme. Why would he
"tell all"? What does he gain? He gains a lot of internet talk, mostly people
talking shit about him.

But then again, there are also the freaks who exaggerate what they took. If they
have this image of being crazy and wild they may think it makes them look cooler in some eyes.


The Real Parabolan was very very good.

1 amp a day was normal for a bodybuilder back in the day. We all knew back then that hgh kept the sides away

Who do you mean by "we"? When was "back in the day"? How old are you?

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #71 on: July 04, 2015, 02:07:55 PM »
    This thread will end with dealers trying to discredit three top pro's from the golden age, claiming you have to buy them 6grams a week to look decent.

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #72 on: July 04, 2015, 02:39:47 PM »
There are a lot of reasons for not telling the whole truth.

Let's say one of those guys did something idiotic and extreme. Why would he
"tell all"? What does he gain? He gains a lot of internet talk, mostly people
talking shit about him.

But then again, there are also the freaks who exaggerate what they took. If they
have this image of being crazy and wild they may think it makes them look cooler in some eyes.

Who do you mean by "we"? When was "back in the day"? How old are you?

Been on gear for 4 decades straight.


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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #73 on: July 04, 2015, 02:49:14 PM »
Been on gear for 4 decades straight.
















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Pharmaceutical Products.

Not so easy to get a hold of nowadays.

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Re: The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone
« Reply #74 on: July 04, 2015, 03:07:31 PM »
I said it before and I will say it again. Drug users deny use because they want the credit for their physique. They don't want it going to the drug. They want you to believe it's their work ethic and exercise knowledge that is the reason for their physique. Then when they are completely clean for 6 months their work ethic and exercise knowledge accounts for nothing because they look like crap. Suddenly the guy in the gym they gave so much unwanted advice suddenly looks in better shape than they do

I am in awe of what hard work, genetics and yes drugs can do on the bodybuilding stage. I just don't bury my head in the sand and pretend the guy would look even remotely close without the chemical assist.

What ever drugs they are using today is making them look like bloated crap. Soft muscles that look inflated instead of dense.