The lowdown on drugs from Shawn Ray, Dorian and Levrone

[Van_Bilderass]

My point is that you are reckless. And any advise you give needs to be prefaced with "I have fucked myself up".

Well sure, I try to be honest. Made lots of mistakes for sure and I tell people frequently that heavy training is dangerous for example. I wasn't giving advice in this thread either, just saying many people can take lots of tren, real properly dosed tren. It's not healthy but it's clearly being done.
I tell people who are curious about tren that it can fuck up your mindstate, can cause severe anxiety including panic attacks, causes night sweats etc. And that's not including the possible internal problems. Once you know the possible sides it's up to you if you want to use it.

When I started using steroids Parabolan was almost off the market. Had one training partner who did one amp a week along with 20-30mg of Russian Dbol. It did work even at that low dosage. But I think a half a cc of today's tren e and some Chinese Dbol would have worked the same.

Dorian was reckless too in some aspects, he is a mangled mess today. Almost died from internal bleeding, supposedly due to aspirin (it's possible).

[Hulkotron]

Which white towels are we talking about here? Do they have skidmarks and are piled in the corner of a hotel bathroom?

x2 many youngbloods on getbig are not aware that the white towel saga pre-dates the escapades of Kai Green.

Double all of the dosages reported in this interview and you will probably be close to their actual amounts.

[NarcissisticDeity]

He mentions drugs at 12:50 on the link below:

Ok but he doesn't go into dosages, So I'm not sure where you're getting he's contradicting any other claim. He's never gone into specifics until now. Again if you have anything that contradicts this feel free to post it.

[HonestBob]

Yes. Point being?

I'm not a proponent of abuse and high doses. Just saying it's possible to use a lot. I'm not buying this shit about Negma Para being superior to anything available today. There is no logical explanation for this being the case.

You are making logical sense here, but as one who used the last of the French parabalon and then used supposed decent tren from British Dragon (10-12 years ago), then tren from other UGLs a few years ago (not as good as BD used to be) there is no comparison with the original stuff.

Which means it is all underdosed.  You would go mental taking 2-3 parabalon a week, now I know of shitty looking gym rats taking 1gm a week and my mind boggles.

I see it all the time though - people get more of a kick from 1 testovis (100mg test prop) than they do from 300mg of ugl test prop.

UGL steroids are a mug's game now IMHO. And the pros have no clue what they are taking, when I hear about super secret sources of the pros I piss myself laughing.  They get the same shit from the same dealers as the rest of the gym world.

The best route if in N.America is to get a script from a friendly doc and find an even friendlier compounding pharmacist. I've seen wonders happen on one cap of 20mgs anavar, 10mgs turinabol and 5mgs winstrol daily (from a pharmacist).

[Simple Simon]

Have any of you  ever stood next to any of those guys at there biggest? I agree that human grade is best but no way they used those doses.

One Negma per week ( I know pussy) and one Anadrol (Syntex round tin bottle) daily was probably the strongest I ever was. Remember doing seated DB presses with 120# for 10.

They must be using huge dosages yet you were your strongest on small dosages???

Oh and for the record an 'in shape' bodybuilder isnt that big, certainly not strongman big

[Simple Simon]

It is hillarious. Wonder if they were able to keep a straight face

Dorian winning in 93 with half of what I take and Kevin taking 3 ius of insulin a day hahHhHAAAAAA

Dorian was around 36ius daily

Yes, and thats exactly why you are the laughing stock of getbig.

[Disgusted]

They must be using huge dosages yet you were your strongest on small dosages???

Oh and for the record an 'in shape' bodybuilder isnt that big, certainly not strongman big

I've stood next to Dorian when he guest posed he was 305 and "in shape" you'd have to see it to believe it. Why you post a pic of a small guy I have no idea.  

Not sure what your comment means about my other post. I was in my mid 20's at the time. Real drol is very potent and so was real para. My usual weekly dose I've  done was always around 800 no orals. Here's a pic of a friend  from last nov. not posting this to show off but to make a point. Was doing 550 mgs weekly I think this is a decent amount of muscle mass for that dose.

[visualizeperfection]

I've stood next to Dorian when he guest posed he was 305 and "in shape" you'd have to see it to believe it. Why you post a pic of a small guy I have no idea.  

Not sure what your comment means about my other post. I was in my mid 20's at the time. Real drol is very potent and so was real para. My usual weekly dose I've  done was always around 800 no orals. Here's a pic of a friend  from last nov. not posting this to show off but to make a point. Was doing 550 mgs weekly I think this is a decent amount of muscle mass for that dose.

You could likely be the big naturally when that chubby.

[Disgusted]

You could likely be the big naturally when that chubby.

Doubtful. I'm probably 225 ripped at 6ft right there. Go back to the 88 Olympia at and look at the weigh in. Unless those guys were natural then you could be right.

[Simple Simon]

I've stood next to Dorian when he guest posed he was 305 and "in shape" you'd have to see it to believe it. Why you post a pic of a small guy I have no idea.  

Not sure what your comment means about my other post. I was in my mid 20's at the time. Real drol is very potent and so was real para. My usual weekly dose I've  done was always around 800 no orals. Here's a pic of a friend  from last nov. not posting this to show off but to make a point. Was doing 550 mgs weekly I think this is a decent amount of muscle mass for that dose.

Small guy?
Hes only around 15lbs less than Dorian onstage best.

I have seen Dorian a few times, I saw guest pose at a show I competed in, he was backstage when I was, he was a big guy, but not freakishly big, he is the same height as me.

Tall = big

[Disgusted]

Small guy?
Hes only around 15lbs less than Dorian onstage best.

I have seen Dorian a few times, I saw guest pose at a show I competed in, he was backstage when I was, he was a big guy, but not freakishly big, he is the same height as me.

Tall = big

Dorian not freakishly big at 305? OK   Oh and as far as comparing Phi and Dorian you gotta be nuts. Dorian was made of stone when in shape Phil is made of (insert what ever comes to mind)

[Simple Simon]

Dorian not freakishly big at 305? OK   Oh and as far as comparing Phi and Dorian you gotta be nuts. Dorian was made of stone when in shape Phil is made of (insert what ever comes to mind)

same weight.

And if you can maintain the size you are on 550mgs why did you have a middleweight Romanian on the best part of 2 gms?

[mazrim]

VanB=good, honest poster.

[Disgusted]

same weight.

And if you can maintain the size you are on 550mgs why did you have a middleweight Romanian on the best part of 2 gms?

I do?

[Van_Bilderass]

You are making logical sense here, but as one who used the last of the French parabalon and then used supposed decent tren from British Dragon (10-12 years ago), then tren from other UGLs a few years ago (not as good as BD used to be) there is no comparison with the original stuff.

Which means it is all underdosed.  You would go mental taking 2-3 parabalon a week, now I know of shitty looking gym rats taking 1gm a week and my mind boggles.

I see it all the time though - people get more of a kick from 1 testovis (100mg test prop) than they do from 300mg of ugl test prop.

UGL steroids are a mug's game now IMHO. And the pros have no clue what they are taking, when I hear about super secret sources of the pros I piss myself laughing.  They get the same shit from the same dealers as the rest of the gym world.

The best route if in N.America is to get a script from a friendly doc and find an even friendlier compounding pharmacist. I've seen wonders happen on one cap of 20mgs anavar, 10mgs turinabol and 5mgs winstrol daily (from a pharmacist).

Some thoughts: some UGL gear has been analyzed by government labs in different countries after seizures and it has not all been underdosed. There's also little reason for a UGL to underdose. One Canadian guy who used to post here, forget his name Pierre something, said all the UGL's actually overdose due to the competitive nature of the market. Not saying there's no underdosing but if you can get the raws through customs in the first place why underdose? The Chinese raw material may be underdosed but here again, why would it be heavily underdosed? I believe Mawse here who commented on the Chinese raw purity.

Regarding the compounding pharmacists working for wellness clinics, I bet it's all smuggled UG powder out of China too, because the whole operation isn't completely legit in the first place. This has been verified in newspaper articles through the years too. Compounding pharmacists putting together injectables with Masteron, Tren, Dianabol etc, does it sound legit and completely legal?
How is the Turinabol you mention legally imported into North America?
I would think this stuff is basically the same as any UGL gear, perhaps with better brewing facilities.

Regarding going mental on tren. Yes it does make you mental, I can feel the negative change after one shot. But if you can handle a little chances are you can handle a lot after a while. And if you can't, just smoke a lot of weed and pop the benzos like a lot do.

I agree that pros are using the same hit as the average gym rat in most cases. But look at the Olympia guys, does it look like they are on fake steroids?

[Simple Simon]

I do?

nice dodge a bout the gypsy

Are you saying you cant maintain 225 on 550 mgs??

I can maintain 215-20 at 10/11% on 250mgs

[SuperTed]

Ok but he doesn't go into dosages, So I'm not sure where you're getting he's contradicting any other claim. He's never gone into specifics until now. Again if you have anything that contradicts this feel free to post it.

You don't think what he says in that video is different and contradictory to what he's saying now?

[Disgusted]

nice dodge a bout the gypsy

Are you saying you cant maintain 225 on 550 mgs??

I can maintain 215-20 at 10/11% on 250mgs

Dear god you have such a comprehension deficit. I'm saying that for example Gary stydom weighing in at 227 at the Olympia ripped is NOT the same as you at 250mgs weighing 210 at 11%. Unless you think that Gary was only on 500mgs at that time and no GH of course.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You don't think what he says in that video is different and contradictory to what he's saying now?

No. That vid he was being facetious but is he directly contradicting what he said with MD? No , not at all. He's never gone into detail about his use , he just hasn't.

[nattybay]

Here is the thing. You have three Pros. One didn't say jack, but it is known he did the "standard", never got that big. And competed against 3 Mr. Os.
Then you have a competitor that was known to take off for most of the year.
And then you have a multi Mr. O winner. Now what is telling is that none of these three have the kidney or serious health issues (that we know of) that has been dropping competitors right and left. From their era and later.

Dorian and Kevin are the genetic elite on this planet. These are the guys who could drink truckloads of gear without a negative effect.. Lol

In my early 20s I could do 2 ampoules of deca every day for months without any sides like deca dick and any zits on my face or back. One guy in college followed my protocol and had his back covered in zits. This is the power of genetics.

There was a guy in the gym whose kidneys failed after just 6 months of heavy roid usage.

Genetics is everything in bodybuilding where drugs play a major role.

[Simple Simon]

Dear god you have such a comprehension deficit. I'm saying that for example Gary stydom weighing in at 227 at the Olympia ripped is NOT the same as you at 250mgs weighing 210 at 11%. Unless you think that Gary was only on 500mgs at that time and no GH of course.

We had left that point behind two posts ago numbnuts

Do you want to address the fact you had the Romanian middleweight on nearly 2 gms gear?

And for the record Gary Strydom has never been an advocate of GH, just used gear, maybe thats why he still looks like this.

[BigRo]

Well sure, I try to be honest. Made lots of mistakes for sure and I tell people frequently that heavy training is dangerous for example. I wasn't giving advice in this thread either, just saying many people can take lots of tren, real properly dosed tren. It's not healthy but it's clearly being done.
I tell people who are curious about tren that it can fuck up your mindstate, can cause severe anxiety including panic attacks, causes night sweats etc. And that's not including the possible internal problems. Once you know the possible sides it's up to you if you want to use it.

When I started using steroids Parabolan was almost off the market. Had one training partner who did one amp a week along with 20-30mg of Russian Dbol. It did work even at that low dosage. But I think a half a cc of today's tren e and some Chinese Dbol would have worked the same.

Dorian was reckless too in some aspects, he is a mangled mess today. Almost died from internal bleeding, supposedly due to aspirin (it's possible).

how do you know this? when did that happen? he would have to take a shit load of asprin?

[HonestBob]

Some thoughts: some UGL gear has been analyzed by government labs in different countries after seizures and it has not all been underdosed. There's also little reason for a UGL to underdose. One Canadian guy who used to post here, forget his name Pierre something, said all the UGL's actually overdose due to the competitive nature of the market. Not saying there's no underdosing but if you can get the raws through customs in the first place why underdose? The Chinese raw material may be underdosed but here again, why would it be heavily underdosed? I believe Mawse here who commented on the Chinese raw purity.

Regarding the compounding pharmacists working for wellness clinics, I bet it's all smuggled UG powder out of China too, because the whole operation isn't completely legit in the first place. This has been verified in newspaper articles through the years too. Compounding pharmacists putting together injectables with Masteron, Tren, Dianabol etc, does it sound legit and completely legal?
How is the Turinabol you mention legally imported into North America?
I would think this stuff is basically the same as any UGL gear, perhaps with better brewing facilities.

Regarding going mental on tren. Yes it does make you mental, I can feel the negative change after one shot. But if you can handle a little chances are you can handle a lot after a while. And if you can't, just smoke a lot of weed and pop the benzos like a lot do.

I agree that pros are using the same hit as the average gym rat in most cases. But look at the Olympia guys, does it look like they are on fake steroids?

I think the compounding pharmacist is clearly doing something dodgy.  But looking at the results vs similar / higher doses from UGLs there is no comparison.

I suspect a lot of the pros are on fake and underdosed steroids.  There as a lot of (very good looking but badly dosed) fake schering primo in Europe that went straight to IFBB pros in the US, but generally I think they are more discerning.  But I've seen "care packages" sent across the Pond to some of the biggest names (eg the biggest of them all in the 2000s) and I don't think they really had a f*cking clue what they were taking.

[Van_Bilderass]

how do you know this? when did that happen? he would have to take a shit load of asprin?

He said it in Flex mag and elsewhere after his last Olympia. He was like 6 weeks out or something and his wife said he looked like death and then he ended up in hospital. It's possible for aspirin to cause this at normal doses but if the story is true I don't know.

[Disgusted]

We had left that point behind two posts ago numbnuts

Do you want to address the fact you had the Romanian middleweight on nearly 2 gms gear?

And for the record Gary Strydom has never been an advocate of GH, just used gear, maybe thats why he still looks like this.

I told you before stay out of the deep end of the pool and stick to trying to be funny.