Anyone have any really good argument against Segregation of yore?

[The True Adonis]

What is the problem with this law: 

1912: Residential
Building permits for building Negro houses in white communities, or any portion of a community inhabited principally by white people, and vice versa prohibited. Penalty: violators fined from $50 to $2,000, "and the municipality shall have the right to cause said building to be removed and destroyed."

[pellius]

Separate but equal.  What really was the issue or problem? 

I think a little discrimination should be Constitutional.  Why is it only considered discriminatory one way, when Separate But Equal applied both ways?   

People are, or should, and in reality do, associate AND not associate with anyone they choose. When force together that's when the trouble starts.

And discrimination use to be considered a good thing and it is a good thing and everyone does it but some just lie about it (like when they say they are not "judgemental"). It means you have standards. "A man with discriminating taste" was a common compliment.

People tend to congregate on the basis of shared values and interest rather than race. It's just most associate it with racial discrimination. But in reality it not so much race per se but the culture. Black inner city culture based on being a thug, violent, loud and hostile is repulsive regardless of race. In Hawaii we don't have a lot of Blacks but we have Micronesians which is a gutter and parasitic culture. Micronesians are more like vermin than predators that you would associate with kneeguls.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Evidence?

Now the black schools tend to get more and they still continue to perform poorly.  When people talk of "good schools" why are the referring to schools with the population being white majority and not black, even when the black schools get more money these days?   

Good Schools never means black majority schools.  Why? 

The evidence was simply that people didn't like it.  Honestly, before the law took place, schools and restaurants were naturally segregated anyway.  Once the law was put in, that's when people really gave it much thought and that's when things got shitty and for whatever reason, people used the law to their advantage at the expense of blacks.  

It is weird though, sometimes when I go to a white families house for dinner, I have the urge to take my food to the living room or outside on the porch.  Generally speaking, natural segregration works better than forced segregation.  

[The True Adonis]

People are, or should, and in reality do, associate AND not associate with anyone they choose. When force together that's when the trouble starts.

And discrimination use to be considered a good thing and it is a good thing and everyone does it but some just lie about it (like when they say they are not "judgemental"). It means you have standards. "A man with discriminating taste" was a common compliment.

People tend to congregate on the basis of shared values and interest rather than race. It's just most associate it with racial discrimination. But in reality it not so much race per se but the culture. Black inner city culture based on being a thug, violent, loud and hostile is repulsive regardless of race. In Hawaii we don't have a lot of Blacks but we have Micronesians which is a gutter and parasitic culture. Micronesians are more like vermin than predators that you would associate with kneeguls.

Exactly.  Just as Asians have their own group.  I have no interest in joining their group or doing Asian things and I am fine with it.  Completely.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Watched a recent Internet video of 40 blacks jumping a solitary white man into bloody unconciousness. Must have have been another 50 black men and females looking on and encouraging it.

Imagine if the colors were reversed?? It would be on every channel, shown every 5 minutes.

 Futhermore white people would have stepped in and stopped the beating quickly, especially the white women would have been outraged and horrified. The black woman instead looked on with satisfaction. Reverse racism and hate is so easily accepted today.

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[pellius]

There's a difference between institutionalized racism and racist. There will always be racist everywhere and at one point America had institutionalize racism. Racism practiced and enforced by government policy and law. But Jim Crow laws proved that America wasn't as racist as perceived.

What is a law? Isn't it to prevent certain types of behavior that otherwise would be engage in broadly if there were no such laws? Wouldn't more people steal if it was legal.

The reason we had Jim Crow laws was because people were, generally speaking, treating Blacks equally as far as day to day transactions. Not all, but most. Just like today. They were allowing them into diners and other businesses that served the public. If they weren't. If the majority of the population discriminated against Blacks then there would be no need for such laws.

[pellius]

Exactly.  Just as Asians have their own group.  I have no interest in joining their group or doing Asian things and I am fine with it.  Completely.

And I'm sure they are more than fine with you not joining their group as well.   

[pellius]

The evidence was simply that people didn't like it.  Honestly, before the law took place, schools and restaurants were naturally segregated anyway.  Once the law was put in, that's when people really gave it much thought and that's when things got shitty and for whatever reason, people used the law to their advantage at the expense of blacks.  

It is weird though, sometimes when I go to a white families house for dinner, I have the urge to take my food to the living room or outside on the porch.  Generally speaking In all cases, natural segregration works better than forced segregation.

Whether it's in high school, work office, an aircraft carrier (where my brother was stationed), people will tend to associate with those who share a common value system or common interest or both. When you force people to be together that don't want to be then trouble starts. Try get Mexicans and Blacks living together. Why bother? And why promote needless violence that could so easily be avoided.

[Parker]

The 1954 decision of Brown vs the Bd of education argued by Thurgood Marshall overturned the previous Plessy vs Ferguson law of Separate but Equal.

The constitution is pretty clear on no discrimination based on race, religion , etc.
The SCOTUS recently used the 14th amendment and gender discrimination to make same sex marriage the law of the land.

Politics and social interaction has a huge effect on how our society will function in addition to laws.

I've often wondered how historically black colleges could still operate now?
I suspect no white student ever challenged any of their policies?

What does bug me is in the world of sports where all white is considered evil and all black is a non issue.
In hockey or swimming, many claim it's social injustice if more blacks aren't competing.
BUT, when the 100m track final is all black, nobody says a word.

In my view, we should all operate under the same basic standards of conduct and respect the laws.

You do know that white students do go to HBCUs?

[The True Adonis]

Whether it's in high school, work office, an aircraft carrier (where my brother was stationed), people will tend to associate with those who share a common value system or common interest or both. When you force people to be together that don't want to be then trouble starts. Try get Mexicans and Blacks living together. Why bother? And why promote needless violence that could so easily be avoided.

http://demographics.coopercenter.org/DotMap/

[The Ugly]

How the Nazis claimed religion  was racial/genetic is beyond me?
Nobody is born a Jew, Muslim or Christian!  It's taught and part of culture NOT genetics.

Not necessarily true anymore. Ethnicity and religion have melded together for so long (especially with Jews - Muslims, to a lesser extent, maybe), it's now more semantical.

Technically, though, you're right. In the same way that there are really only three races.

[pellius]

Not necessarily true anymore. Ethnicity and religion have melded together for so long (especially with Jews - Muslims, to a lesser extent, maybe), it's now more semantical.

Technically, though, you're right. In the same way that there are really only three races.

I know that Jews can be both a religion and ethnicity but is it the same case as Muslims? I associate Muslims primarily with Arabs.

[pellius]

http://demographics.coopercenter.org/DotMap/

Didn't click on the link but props to Kenneth Cooper and the Cooper Center for expanding their field of study. Their work on aerobics back in the 70s-80s was truly ground breaking though much of their claims has been bebunk in light of new evidence.

[The Ugly]

I know that Jews can be both a religion and ethnicity but is it the same case as Muslims? I associate Muslims primarily with Arabs.

Not as educated here, sorry. Maybe should have limited it to Jews alone. Mostly meant to exclude Christians, really.

[syntaxmachine]

your ignorance is amazing....but typical since whites aren't taught the truth about slavery/segregation/Jim Crow

Epic castigating TrueAnus for racially insensitive ignorance whilst simultaneously judging literally all white people in the very same sentence of peace.

[local hero]

There's clearly more than 3 races...

Black
White
Oriental
Indian/paki
Arab
Hispanic
Pure jewish

Even as far as whites, a Scandinavian looks different to an Italian for example, or a polish block head, or a ginger Irishman etc etc

[Automation]

TA proving he is still the best troll on GB.....

[The Ugly]

There's clearly more than 3 races...

Black
White
Oriental
Indian/paki
Arab
Hispanic
Pure jewish

Even as far as whites, a Scandinavian looks different to an Italian for example, or a polish block head, or a ginger Irishman etc etc

Missed my point.

Just as "Jewish" was initially/solely a religion; race, too, was historically simplified - there were three: Mongoloid (Asian and its offshoots), Negroid (darkies of various darkness), and Caucasoid (The Man and his palefaced brethren).

Please follow the conversation.

[falco]

Bodybuilders are segregated by obese people also.

[Rami]

In this particular case there was lack of evidence of their alleged crime (rape) for which they were lynched. It's hard to get someones opinion from experience. Few people have survived execution. But is perhaps the electric chair and firing squad more humane as a method of death for criminal scumbags? I was just thinking of this now that they are looking for alternatives to lethal injection. There must be cheaper, faster and more elegant solutions.

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[Vince G, CSN MFT]

In this particular case there was lack of evidence of their alleged crime (rape) for which they were lynched. It's hard to get someones opinion from experience. Few people have survived execution. But is perhaps the electric chair and firing squad more humane as a method of death for criminal scumbags? I was just thinking of this now that they are looking for alternatives to lethal injection. There must be cheaper, faster and more elegant solutions.

Lethal injection generally is.  Firing squad is more honorable for a soldier.  Electric Chair is a horrible and cruel apparatus created by Thomas Edison because of a rivalry between Westinghouse over AC and DC

[OneMoreRep]

Separate but equal.  What really was the issue or problem? 

I think a little discrimination should be Constitutional.  Why is it only considered discriminatory one way, when Separate But Equal applied both ways?   

Adonis,

Money, in many respects, can buy you a form of segregation.

For instance, many states have gated communities, whereby you have to buy into them (purchase home, pay HOA fees etc.) in order to have access to them. Most of these communities have a centralized country club with a full range of activities for everyone, from kids to adults. They also have their own form of security and some of them even have schools integrated into the community.

In NYC, there are communities within the city, that while not gated, are pretty much off-limits to individuals who do not reside within (think Park Avenue, Pomander Walk etc.)

For those familiar with NYC, another example is the gated seagate area by Coney Island - they have their own police force - For more information, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Gate,_Brooklyn#Education.

Personally, I don't mind living within a diversified community. What I don't like are dirty streets, crime, loud music into the late hours of the night or overly populated areas.

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[Rami]

I don't know if America (or any other nation) can ever become completely fair. Imagine the uneven distribution of wealth in America in white and black societies at the time everyone were granted equal rights.

It's easy to say that now everyone has equal opportunity, but in reality white families and business had much more wealth on which to build. Wealth created under slavery and under very unequal opportunities.

Maybe this can never be settled, or how?

[forillagorilla]

I don't know if America (or any other nation) can ever become completely fair. Imagine the uneven distribution of wealth in America in white and black societies at the time everyone were granted equal rights.

It's easy to say that now everyone has equal opportunity, but in reality white families and business had much more wealth on which to build. Wealth created under slavery and under very unequal opportunities.

Maybe this can never be settled, or how?

The past is the past... I absolutely believe that "Separate but Equal" was complete unconstitutional and I am very much against. However - my ancestors did have slaves - quite a lot in fact. I do not work in the business (which still does fun) and I have never personally made a dollar from sugarcane nor did my father or grandfather. Every American has EXACTLY the same opportunity as me and no one gave me any advantage. I built every dollar of my wealth

[AD2100]

Separate but equal.  What really was the issue or problem? 

I think a little discrimination should be Constitutional.  Why is it only considered discriminatory one way, when Separate But Equal applied both ways?   

I am in favor of putting cowardly, hook-nosed suspected white supremacists that talk shit on the internet in ovens and "chemical showers".
Why is it considered a bad thing when we rid the planet of certain Khazars who are racist and are in favor of "traditional southern ways and customs"?