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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2015, 11:33:12 AM »
just as you argue it might be a bad deal, I see A LOT of people saying it was a GOOD DEAL..you see what you want to see and I see what I want to see..simple...

don't get all high and mighty and think your opinion is the prevailing viewpoint ;)

You mean the opinion that says until we know the details we shouldn't be quick to judge?....  which is what you are doing.  ;)

Or how I outlined your reasoning and showed how it looks like you just fell in line like you were told to do?

Just saying............ :D

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« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2015, 11:58:06 AM »
You mean the opinion that says until we know the details we shouldn't be quick to judge?....  which is what you are doing.  ;)

Or how I outlined your reasoning and showed how it looks like you just fell in line like you were told to do?

Just saying............ :D

The fact is that Iran is entitled to get a nuke if it so pleases to do so.....we can't delegitimize their whole nuke program.....Pakistan, North Korea, and Israel got the bomb and no one did anything

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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2015, 12:29:26 PM »
Even Reagan tried to make illegal deals with Iran during Iran-Contra which he actually should have been impeached for when you think about it

Obama is almost as bad as Reagan.  Obama made his deal in the open.  Reagan's illegal deals with Iran were secret.

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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2015, 12:47:30 PM »
The fact is that Iran is entitled to get a nuke if it so pleases to do so.....we can't delegitimize their whole nuke program.....Pakistan, North Korea, and Israel got the bomb and no one did anything

Where am i arguing that?   ::)

WHAT ABOUT ANY OF MY FUCKING POSTS SAYS I AM ARGUING THAT?
(in caps for effect  ;))

I can argue that aspect of it if you want, because i see that you don't want to talk about your poor reasoning regarding the nuke deal.

Here, I will help you get started:  None of those 3 should have nukes. 

next...

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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2015, 02:10:07 PM »
Where am i arguing that?   ::)

WHAT ABOUT ANY OF MY FUCKING POSTS SAYS I AM ARGUING THAT?
(in caps for effect  ;))

I can argue that aspect of it if you want, because i see that you don't want to talk about your poor reasoning regarding the nuke deal.

Here, I will help you get started:  None of those 3 should have nukes. 

next...

Ozmo, you want to argue about stuff in a vacuum and you can't do that....you have to draw on history in order to make a contrast and to put things in context....I' just saying that as a matter of law, the U.s does not have the right to deny anyone nuclear energy and by extension, a nuclear bomb.....oh sure theres the non-proliferation treaty but lets face it everyone ignores that...Israel sure did.....so now we are supposed to go to war ONCE AGAIN in the middle east to prevent Iran from getting nukes.....no one wnats that....better to negotiatewhich we did....

we have to stop believing that we ALWAYS come out on the short end of the stick when we negotiate with other countries..they are no smarter than we are... many of the people who came out againast the deal, did so BEFORE THE DEAL WAS EVEN DONE AND BEFORE THEY EVEN TOOK A LOOK AT IT......so why I am villified for feeling we got the best deal possible?

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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2015, 02:36:50 PM »
Ozmo, you want to argue about stuff in a vacuum and you can't do that....you have to draw on history in order to make a contrast and to put things in context....I' just saying that as a matter of law, the U.s does not have the right to deny anyone nuclear energy and by extension, a nuclear bomb.....oh sure theres the non-proliferation treaty but lets face it everyone ignores that...Israel sure did.....so now we are supposed to go to war ONCE AGAIN in the middle east to prevent Iran from getting nukes.....no one wnats that....better to negotiatewhich we did....

we have to stop believing that we ALWAYS come out on the short end of the stick when we negotiate with other countries..they are no smarter than we are... many of the people who came out againast the deal, did so BEFORE THE DEAL WAS EVEN DONE AND BEFORE THEY EVEN TOOK A LOOK AT IT......so why I am villified for feeling we got the best deal possible?

You are saying it without looking at the details of the deal.

If you are ever interested in buying a house, a car, land, stocks, etc.  Lemme know, I will tie Obama into somehow and you will think its the best deal possible. 

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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2015, 06:20:15 AM »
You are saying it without looking at the details of the deal.

If you are ever interested in buying a house, a car, land, stocks, etc.  Lemme know, I will tie Obama into somehow and you will think its the best deal possible. 

Thats funny ;)...but again I am realistic about what the deal will accomplish...we won't get everything we want but neither will Iran....if one side gets EVERYTHING they wanted then its a bad deal and one-sided.....

The days when the United States could bully the world is OVER...I'm not willing to fight endless wars while Russia, China, the EU, and Israel benefit from the blood of our soldiers

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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2015, 10:08:51 AM »
Thats funny ;)...but again I am realistic about what the deal will accomplish...we won't get everything we want but neither will Iran....if one side gets EVERYTHING they wanted then its a bad deal and one-sided.....

The days when the United States could bully the world is OVER...I'm not willing to fight endless wars while Russia, China, the EU, and Israel benefit from the blood of our soldiers

How do you know what the deal will accomplish if you don't know the details?

Why are you now trying to make a weak all or nothing argument?

And why are you hyperbole-ing also?

This is what your arguments have come down to now Andre?

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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2015, 10:10:16 AM »
Meanwhile 4 American citizens being STILL being held in Iran.  We couldn't even get them out there on this deal?

But according to Andre this is a great deal.

If anyone wants to make an easy buck, if you know Andre in person, he'll buy anything without using his head or any critical thinking if Obama is related to it somehow.  You can sell him on anything! 

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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2015, 10:23:43 AM »
Meanwhile 4 American citizens being STILL being held in Iran.  We couldn't even get them out there on this deal?

But according to Andre this is a great deal.

If anyone wants to make an easy buck, if you know Andre in person, he'll buy anything without using his head or any critical thinking if Obama is related to it somehow.  You can sell him on anything! 
so what is your solution? have not read the whole thread to be fair but what should the US Gov do ?

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« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2015, 01:38:07 PM »
Meanwhile 4 American citizens being STILL being held in Iran.  We couldn't even get them out there on this deal?

But according to Andre this is a great deal.

If anyone wants to make an easy buck, if you know Andre in person, he'll buy anything without using his head or any critical thinking if Obama is related to it somehow.  You can sell him on anything!  

Negotiation 101...you don'muddy the water with outside issues...the three people being held has nothing to do with the nuclear issue.....also with your acusation about me accepting anything Obama does, whose hyperboling now?

The deal saves us from another war...sounds good to me...if I see things in the deal I don't like I wil change my opinion...right now, I'm taking the side of those who say the deal is good

I'm not used to seeing you melting ;)

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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2015, 03:58:53 PM »
Negotiation 101...you don'muddy the water with outside issues...the three people being held has nothing to do with the nuclear issue.....also with your acusation about me accepting anything Obama does, whose hyperboling now?

The deal saves us from another war...sounds good to me...if I see things in the deal I don't like I wil change my opinion...right now, I'm taking the side of those who say the deal is good

I'm not used to seeing you melting ;)

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Negotiation Reality:  You use what ever you can to negotiate with.

Obviously, you don't know anything about negotiation.  

Further more, you assume with out the deal we were certainly heading for war.  I am not surprised by this coming from you seeing everything you quickly and easily allow your self to believe.

Now, all you have left to  to accuse me of melting down.

Get something straight, when i show you how flawed your thinking is, its not me melting down. But if you need to tell yourself that to keep your delusion going feel free.

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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2015, 04:00:54 PM »
so what is your solution? have not read the whole thread to be fair but what should the US Gov do ?

I don't know the full details of the deal yet.  But i do know that 4 Americans held should have been part of it. 

We will see the details in the coming weeks as congress hashes it out.

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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2015, 04:03:42 PM »
I don't know the full details of the deal yet.  But i do know that 4 Americans held should have been part of it. 

We will see the details in the coming weeks as congress hashes it out.
Agreed

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« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2015, 04:07:58 PM »
::)

Negotiation Reality:  You use what ever you can to negotiate with.

Obviously, you don't know anything about negotiation.  

Further more, you assume with out the deal we were certainly heading for war.  I am not surprised by this coming from you seeing everything you quickly and easily allow your self to believe.

Now, all you have left to  to accuse me of melting down.

Get something straight, when i show you how flawed your thinking is, its not me melting down. But if you need to tell yourself that to keep your delusion going feel free.

I was obviously kidding around with you but now I see you're REALLY melting down....I like the deal..you're not so sure....lets leave it at that

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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2015, 04:17:13 PM »
"We dont make deals like this with our friends".

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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2015, 04:57:08 PM »
I was obviously kidding around with you but now I see you're REALLY melting down....I like the deal..you're not so sure....lets leave it at that

Keep telling yourself that.

BTW, i got this Obama approved toll bridge for sale..........

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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2015, 06:03:04 PM »
I don't know the full details of the deal yet.  But i do know that 4 Americans held should have been part of it. 

We will see the details in the coming weeks as congress hashes it out.

Agreed

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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2015, 02:27:26 PM »
Watch: Netanyahu Goes On U.S. TV And Reveals What He Told Obama After Iran Deal
"Iran is different. It's a zealot country. It is governed by a group that believes in militant Islamic fundamentalism."
Randy DeSoto
July 15, 2015

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has not held back in voicing his grave concerns with the nuclear agreement reached with Iran, which was announced by the Obama administration Tuesday.

Even as the structure of the agreement was taking shape, Netanyahu saw it as a threat to the security of Israel and the region. In an address before a joint session of Congress in March, Netanyahu said the proposed agreement “doesn’t block Iran’s path to the bomb, it paves Iran’s path to the bomb.”

Now that the actual agreement has been reached, the Israeli Prime Minister’s concerns have only been heightened.

In an interview with NBC News’ Lester Holt, the prime minister said he told President Obama in a phone call on Tuesday that the agreement “poses a great danger to Israel, and I believe it poses a great danger to America and the world.”

Obama reportedly told him that the deal “will verifiably prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon while ensuring the peaceful nature of Iran’s nuclear program going forward.”

It lifts economic sanctions against the rogue regime.
It keeps Iran’s nuclear infrastructure in place.
It gives Iran 24 days to respond to any inspection of facilities by the U.N.
Netanyahu explained: “When you let the number one terrorist regime in the world have a sure path to the bomb and hundreds of billions of dollars to finance its terrorism around the world, that’s not good for any of us.”

Regarding inspections, he added: “Can you imagine giving a drug dealer 24 days’ notice before you inspect the premises? That’s a lot of time to flush a lot of meth down the toilet.”

Netanyahu said a good deal would have linked Iran’s conduct with the lifting of sanctions. “There is no linkage to Iran’s change of behavior,” he said. “They can continue their regional aggression, their terrorism worldwide, subversion in so many countries, in so many lands. In fact they’re going to get 100s of billions of dollars to fuel their terror and military machine, and they don’t have to change anything. They are even going to get their arms embargo lifted in a few years.”

He also pointed out that “Iran is building intercontinental ballistic missiles, not to reach us, they already have those missiles, but to reach the United States. The Supreme Leader of Iran said the battle will continue with the United States even after the deal. For them, we’re the little satan, you are the great satan.”

He observed that “just five days ago, the so-called moderate president of Iran was at a rally in Tehran where they burnt American flags and chanted death to America.”

Israel’s Labor Party leader and fierce critic of the prime minister, Isaac Herzog, stands with him concerning the agreement. “I had a meeting yesterday where I learned about the deal and I think it is bad for Israel. [Netanyahu and myself] will certainly cooperate when it comes to the security of Israel. As an Israeli patriot, this deal is dangerous,” the Times of Israel reports him saying.

NBC News noted that Netanyahu’s wariness about the deal is also “shared by the Arab world, where countries expressed skepticism that a deal would really prevent Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon, and voiced fears that Iran would only gain more in the region without economic sanctions.”

“It doesn’t happen very often in history, but when Arabs and Israelis agree, it’s worth paying attention,” Netanyahu told Holt. “Iran is different. It’s a zealot country,” he said. “It is governed by a group that believes in militant Islamic fundamentalism. It’s killed a lot of Americans. It’s killing everybody in sight in the Middle East.”

http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-netanyahu-goes-on-u-s-tv-and-reveals-what-he-told-obama-after-iran-deal/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=WesternJournalism&utm_content=2015-07-19

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Re: iran Nuke Deal Reached!
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2015, 03:00:51 PM »
This is a great deal, what's wrong with you.  America cant have everything it wants.  This is better than getting into a war with Russia and China.  I loved BUSH.

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« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2015, 04:00:30 PM »
This is a great deal, what's wrong with you.  America cant have everything it wants.  This is better than getting into a war with Russia and China.  I loved BUSH.

whats your alternative smart guy?....the fact is there is absolutely no way short of war that we could have stopped Iran from getting Nukes.....negotiation is the best way to go and the other powers, INCLUDING FRANCE AND BRITAIN wanted this deal as well....war has not worked in the middle east.....we can't go down that road again......and yes it appears to be a great deal under the circumstances.....the U.S. has to go along with the rest of the world on this because the rest of the world was going to break ranks and start trading with Iran again if there wasn't a deal

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« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2015, 04:13:05 PM »
whats your alternative smart guy?....the fact is there is absolutely no way short of war that we could have stopped Iran from getting Nukes.....negotiation is the best way to go and the other powers, INCLUDING FRANCE AND BRITAIN wanted this deal as well....war has not worked in the middle east.....we can't go down that road again......and yes it appears to be a great deal under the circumstances.....the U.S. has to go along with the rest of the world on this because the rest of the world was going to break ranks and start trading with Iran again if there wasn't a deal

Dude stop melting down.   ;)

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« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2015, 05:52:03 PM »
Dude stop melting down.   ;)

and your obvious sarcasm isn't melting down??? ;)..I'm just challenging you

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« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2015, 05:55:27 PM »
and your obvious sarcasm isn't melting down??? ;)..I'm just challenging you

You aren't challenging anyone.   You still haven't addressed your crappy arguments from earlier I the thread.   :D

You know you are virtually the same as 3333.  Just on the other side of the spectrum. Lol

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« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2015, 06:17:12 PM »
You aren't challenging anyone.   You still haven't addressed your crappy arguments from earlier I the thread.   :D

You know you are virtually the same as 3333.  Just on the other side of the spectrum. Lol

no way :)..contrary to what you might think, my arguments are based on evidence and rationality....

France and Britain , our two greatest allies in the world think its a great deal and remember France a few months ago stated loudly that they didn't like the deal...they have now come onboard......the deal was written by nuclear experts

Uzi Even, who is a nuclear physicist who used to work in the Iranian facilities stated "the deal blocks every pathway to a bomb that I know of......the Iranians maybe celebrating but they have in fact swallowed a very bitter pill.....more so than they would like to let on...."

Many other experts that I've seen on CNN stated that the deal is good for America and grants access to facilities that are unheard of..

so I think I have reason to take the position that I have