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06-19-2012, 08:42 PM
Statistically, Babe Ruth is easily the greatest player ever. Nobody really comes close (except arguably Bonds, if you take his numbers at face value). Ruth apparently hit home runs further than anybody ever (including many steroid abusers), and hit home runs at a faster pace than anyone ever (besides steroid user Mark Mcgwire). I've always found it interesting how Ruth was able to do things nobody else ever was able to do, with the exception of one or arguably two steroid users. The man has a .690 career slugging% for pete sakes, how many all-time greats were able to even post a .690 slugging% in a single season (not including roiders)? Hell, if Bonds never juiced, Ruth would still hold the single season record for walks, slugging%, OPS, OPS+, HR/AB ratio, pretty much every single season record out there.

So my question is, did Ruth just happen to be vastly more talented than anyone else who ever play baseball, or was he a great player who dominated arguably inferior competition? Perhaps both? Albert Pujols is widely considered the best hitter of his generation (not including Bonds and Frank Thomas who are more from the 1990's generation), and yet his single season best OPS+ falls well short to Ruth's career OPS+. Was Ruth just that much more talented than the man who is considered the best hitter from his generation? Perhaps he was, but I'm not sold on that.

http://www.sciencebuzz.org/blog/technology-not-drugs-made-home-run-records

This Babe thing is complete bullshit since they only allowed whites to play.  There were some blacks in the negro leagues who would have hit more HR than Ruth but were never allowed to.

[Hulk-smash!]

The best black hitter ever was Josh Gibson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Gibson

https://espn.go.com/sportscentury/features/00016050.html

[Coach is Back!]

30'!?  Maybe, even more. There was the occasional check swing that cleared the fence.   

True

[OneMoreRep]

Hey guys,

I am not really a baseball fan, but I thought maybe you guys can help me with this...

Is it possible that, at the time, most of the major teams were essentially feeding Ruth easy pitches in order to inflate his home run record?

For instance, remember when Sammy Sosa and Mark Mcgwire were going at it for most home runs during the season and you started to notice pitchers throw slow pitches right down the middle, just because they knew it was the reason people were coming to the game (with the goal of having one of them break the all-time record)?

Could it be that during the time of Ruth, they were simply feeding the man, because they knew that most of the audience in attendance were there to see the guy hit home runs and that if they didn't feed him, the ticket sales would plummet?

Again, never been a baseball fan and I know very little about these things, so if I am way off, feel free to tell me so.

"1"

[polychronopolous]

This Babe thing is complete bullshit since they only allowed whites to play.  There were some blacks in the negro leagues who would have hit more HR than Ruth but were never allowed to.

Look at any Top Pitchers of All-Time list and aside from the occasional token Hebrew it is by and large occupied by men of the Anglo-Saxon heritage.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Hey guys,

I am not really a baseball fan, but I thought maybe you guys can help me with this...

Is it possible that, at the time, most of the major teams were essentially feeding Ruth easy pitches in order to inflate his home run record?

For instance, remember when Sammy Sosa and Mark Mcgwire were going at it for most home runs during the season and you started to notice pitchers throw slow pitches right down the middle, just because they knew it was the reason people were coming to the game (with the goal of having one of them break the all-time record)?

Could it be that during the time of Ruth, they were simply feeding the man, because they knew that most of the audience in attendance were there to see the guy hit home runs and that if they didn't feed him, the ticket sales would plummet?

Again, never been a baseball fan and I know very little about these things, so if I am way off, feel free to tell me so.

"1"

It could have been the pitcher was tired from his day at work.  Baseball back then paid next to nothing.  Most of the players had day jobs.  You know most of the day jobs that athletes would do are hard labor since most probably didn't have a good execution.  Imagine working construction all day to then pitch a baseball game.

[240 is Back]

Drugs are the difference between hitting a 420ft HR as opposed to a 450ft HR.

are you really telling getbig that steroids don't help MLB players hit more home runs?   Really?   lol

[tom joad]

Hey guys,

I am not really a baseball fan, but I thought maybe you guys can help me with this...

Is it possible that, at the time, most of the major teams were essentially feeding Ruth easy pitches in order to inflate his home run record?

For instance, remember when Sammy Sosa and Mark Mcgwire were going at it for most home runs during the season and you started to notice pitchers throw slow pitches right down the middle, just because they knew it was the reason people were coming to the game (with the goal of having one of them break the all-time record)?

Could it be that during the time of Ruth, they were simply feeding the man, because they knew that most of the audience in attendance were there to see the guy hit home runs and that if they didn't feed him, the ticket sales would plummet?

Again, never been a baseball fan and I know very little about these things, so if I am way off, feel free to tell me so.

"1"

back in the day (Babe Ruth's time) it seemed (from what i've read) that players on opposing teams were fierce competitors (sharpening their spikes etc. ... unless it's a myth) ... whereas nowadays everybody's all chummy with opponents during batting practice before the game and when they get on base during the game etc.

but it wouldn't surprise me if the Babe got a few meatballs thrown to him since even Mickey Mantle was told by the Tigers catcher what pitch was coming right before one of his milestone home runs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/sports/baseball/09mclain.html

[Royalty]

are you really telling getbig that steroids don't help MLB players hit more home runs?   Really?   lol

Exactly

If steroids didn't help these players; they would not have been using it year after year.... and recommending it to their teammates

[240 is Back]

Drugs are the difference between hitting a 420ft HR as opposed to a 450ft HR.

The same 30 feet difference could be a 380 pop out, versus a 410 foot home run.

LOL at you never entertaining this possibility.

[Coach is Back!]

The same 30 feet difference could be a 380 pop out, versus a 410 foot home run.

LOL at you never entertaining this possibility.

You play a guitar or something, right?

[Hulk-smash!]

Look at any Top Pitchers of All-Time list and aside from the occasional token Hebrew it is by and large occupied by men of the Anglo-Saxon heritage.

Ever hear of Satchel Paige?  Pitched MLB into his freakin' 60's. 

[polychronopolous]

Ever hear of Satchel Paige?  Pitched MLB into his freakin' 60's. 

Look at any Top Pitchers of All-Time list and aside from the occasional token Hebrew it is by and large occupied by men of the Anglo-Saxon heritage.

[Hulk-smash!]

back in the day (Babe Ruth's time) it seemed (from what i've read) that players on opposing teams were fierce competitors (sharpening their spikes etc. ... unless it's a myth) ... whereas nowadays everybody's all chummy with opponents during batting practice before the game and when they get on base during the game etc.

but it wouldn't surprise me if the Babe got a few meatballs thrown to him since even Mickey Mantle was told by the Tigers catcher what pitch was coming right before one of his milestone home runs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/sports/baseball/09mclain.html

You want an exanple of "fierce" check out Ty Cobb's antics.  That sob would show what it means to "go after" a player.   Jeez!

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?158954-Ty-Cobb-Makes-Barry-Bonds-Look-Like-Strawberry-Shortcake

[Hulk-smash!]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satchel_Paige

[Hulkotron]

You want an exanple of "fierce" check out Ty Cobb's antics.  That sob would show what it means to "go after" a player.   Jeez!

http://forum.sportsmogul.com/showthread.php?158954-Ty-Cobb-Makes-Barry-Bonds-Look-Like-Strawberry-Shortcake

Cobb once jumped into the stands to beat up a dirty cripple who was heckling him, guy didn't fuck around.

[Hulk-smash!]

He shot one dude just for knocking on his door & waking him up.  The dude didn't die but was almost did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_Cobb

He hated Ruth's fame.  When kids would ask wuld ask "do  you drink milk?" he'd reply "Fuck no, I drink whiskey" & pull a bottle and take a big swig.

He died a multi-millionaire establishing a free total health care system.

http://www.tycobbhealthcare.com/

[tom joad]

Cobb once jumped into the stands to beat up a dirty cripple who was heckling him, guy didn't fuck around.

would love to have been the cripple who heckled ty cobb.

[dr.chimps]

Ever hear of Satchel Paige?  Pitched MLB into his freakin' 60's. 

Back off, gimmick. This is sports. 

[polychronopolous]

Cobb once jumped into the stands to beat up a dirty cripple who was heckling him, guy didn't fuck around.

Like A Boss.

[tom joad]

He shot one dude just for knocking on his door & waking him up.  The dude didn't die but was almosr did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_Cobb

He hated Ruth's fame.  When kids would ask wuld ask "do  you drink milk?" he'd reply "Fuck no, I drink whiskey" & pull a bottle and take a big swig.

lol

(Arod hit a bomb today on his 40th b-day.)

[Hulk-smash!]

would love to have been the cripple who heckled ty cobb.