Hillary's Strategy - Smart or Stupid?

[andreisdaman]

Bernie Sanders doesn't help your position.  He has done pretty well given his opponent and overall lack of appeal regarding his candidacy. 

BUT...hes's doing exactly what you claim Democratic candidates don't do..thats the point we're discussing..also when Obama ran he was very open about everything he wanted to do.....which he has since accomplished...

[Dos Equis]

Which is the CT of Trump being on DNC payroll is not that far fetching.

I don't discount certain candidates being pushed by opposing parties, but I don't see that here.  It's just a prime opportunity for Trump to increase his brand and he's all over it, just like the great businessman that he is.  

In the past, it wouldn't shock me if that dude from North or South Carolina several years ago was some kind of plant.  Forget his name, but he was pretty funny.  I think he was some kind of convicted felon, no education, etc.  Someone posted about it on the board.  

[polychronopolous]

I'm an independent.  Trump is neither a Republican nor a Democrat IMO.  He's an entertainer and businessman and darn good at both.  

The man has been in front of a TV camera for over 30 years. That's his thing.

He will look the most comfortable by far tonight standing front and center on stage.

[240 is Back]

Which is the CT of Trump being on DNC payroll is not that far fetching.

maybe trump was pre-paid for his services.

Or, maybe he gets a new primetime show after this election, who knows.  

COnsider this - Trump disclosed his Apprentice earnings:  $213,606,575

That's right.  213 MILLION for 12 years of that show, nearly 20 million a year to host a show where he appears for all of 7 minutes an episode and the ratings sure sagged at times.   Were they overpaying him so he'd fck up the repub chances down the road?  who knows lol, it's a belief that many have.

[Coach is Back!]

Add this to Killarys strategy...lol


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hillary-clinton-put-southern-accent-south-carolina-democratic-chairman_1005486.html

[Dos Equis]

BUT...hes's doing exactly what you claim Democratic candidates don't do..thats the point we're discussing..also when Obama ran he was very open about everything he wanted to do.....which he has since accomplished...

I don't use Trump as a barometer for anything.  He's not going to win the nomination.  He's no more viable than Ron Paul was.  Neither of them was ever going to win the nomination.  

[240 is Back]

In the past, it wouldn't shock me if that dude from North or South Carolina several years ago was some kind of plant.  Forget his name, but he was pretty funny.  I think he was some kind of convicted felon, no education, etc.  Someone posted about it on the board.  

i think alvin greene or something?  complete plant, and it worked too, right?  get in there, split up the vote, make it ugly.

everyone here saying msnbc is promoting the guy - listen to nbc - they trash him 24/7.  Maddow's entire show is "why trump is terrrible".  Rush is seriously on his testes, refusing to criticize him?  SOme serious water-carrying there!!!

[polychronopolous]

Trump is a billionaire + commanding lead + huge set of TV skills + able to blur his political positions and make people feel good about it at the same time (Reagan evolved, and so have I...)

Please define "nowhere".   How will he place in iowa?  NH?   Where will he finish in the delegate count?  What date will he

I agree trump is a freakin' joke, I agree he's neither dem nor repub - I think he's this cheerleading salesman able to make people feel good about fighting the power.  We probably agree about plenty when it comes to trump.

But I want to know when/how it comes unraveled for trump.  He shit on vets and went up another ten points in polls.  unreal, i know, but the GOp voting base is so in love with his celebrity, they are willing to look past his shady political positions and classless idiocy.

I'll admit you are probably the most entertaining guy on here since Chris left but your arguments lose a lot of weight when u twist and turn everything into these far out conspiracy theories.

[Dos Equis]

The man has been in front of a TV camera for over 30 years. That's his thing.

He will look the most comfortable by far tonight standing front and center on stage.

He'll look comfortable when he gets to make speeches, which is essentially all this format will allow him to do.  We'll see just how much he knows when the field is smaller and he actually has to have serious policy discussions and not just yell at people (assuming he's still around at that point).  

[240 is Back]

I have no idea what date Trump will drop out.  

do you have an estimate?  It seems odd you KNOW it to be a fact, but can't even surmise when.  He has access to more money than the other candidates, probably combined lol.  And it's all TV from here on out, debates... trump dominates the board room - do you think he's really going to get "put in his place" by the likes of rand paul?  lol

[andreisdaman]

I don't use Trump as a barometer for anything.  He's not going to win the nomination.  He's no more viable than Ron Paul was.  Neither of them was ever going to win the nomination.  

I never understood people's attraction to Ron Paul...he wanted to take the country back to 1776....but if Trump exits this first debate unscathed and jumps up more in the polls then you simply can no longer say he can't be taken seriously

Also never underestimate the idiocy of the republican voter....many of them actually believed Obama was not an American citizen, was muslim, and a secret terrorist bent on destroying the nation
 

[240 is Back]

He'll look comfortable when he gets to make speeches, which is essentially all this format will allow him to do.  We'll see just how much he knows when the field is smaller and he actually has to have serious policy discussions and not just yell at people (assuming he's still around at that point).  

trump has a very good memory.   and he's been studying, speaking more and more policy.  The 'flip flopping lib" is the biggest charge against him, and him using the reagan defense is brilliant for that.  Coach is ready to give trump a massage for pete's sake lol, everyone jumping on board.

Except you, and I give you respect for that.  These idiots are drooling over a tv star, an immature loudmouth that will embarass our country and probably lose 40 states to hilary.

[Dos Equis]

i think alvin greene or something?  complete plant, and it worked too, right?  get in there, split up the vote, make it ugly.

everyone here saying msnbc is promoting the guy - listen to nbc - they trash him 24/7.  Maddow's entire show is "why trump is terrrible".  Rush is seriously on his testes, refusing to criticize him?  SOme serious water-carrying there!!!

Yes I think that was the guy.  Thanks.

[Dos Equis]

do you have an estimate?  It seems odd you KNOW it to be a fact, but can't even surmise when.  He has access to more money than the other candidates, probably combined lol.  And it's all TV from here on out, debates... trump dominates the board room - do you think he's really going to get "put in his place" by the likes of rand paul?  lol

No I don't have an estimate.  Why is that so important to you?

[Dos Equis]

I never understood people's attraction to Ron Paul...he wanted to take the country back to 1776....but if Trump exits this first debate unscathed and jumps up more in the polls then you simply can no longer say he can't be taken seriously

Also never underestimate the idiocy of the republican voter....many of them actually believed Obama was not an American citizen, was muslim, and a secret terrorist bent on destroying the nation
 

I don't care how he does in this debate.  He's not going to win the nomination. 

I don't know how many Republican voters actually thought Obama was born in Kenya, but there are dummies in both parties. 

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Doesn't matter. If she wins it will ONLY be because she's women. Accomplishments include "Being the First Lady" - 240

Really, Joe.  She was also Secretary of State and a US Senator....

[240 is Back]

Really, Joe.  She was also Secretary of State and a US Senator....

these credentials are worthless.

however the 2 or 3 *years* that rubio or rand bring to the table in the senate are WAY more impressive than hilary's, right? 

same argument every time.  "Palin's 5 community colleges for a BA in journalism is way more impressive than Harvard Law".... mmm, okay lol.

[Coach is Back!]

Seeing how the country is in much better shape now than it was before Obama took office, your definition of "bad" must be fueled by nothing more than simplistic delusions.

Sure it is. The 94mil people not looking for jobs says so. And just to add this was just 5 days ago..


Revisions: The latest GDP numbers show that President Obama's economic recovery — already the worst since World War II — was even worse than previously thought. This isn't slow and steady growth, it's punishingly slow.

News accounts of the latest Bureau of Economic Analysis report pointed to the 2.3% growth in real GDP in the second quarter as evidence that the economy had "bounced back" and "continued the slow but steady recovery trajectory of the last six years."

To be sure, 2.3% growth isn't awful, and it does come after the BEA revised its Q1 estimate upward — from -0.2 % to +0.6%. But the real story isn't found in these latest quarterly numbers. It's elsewhere in the report.

As it periodically does, the BEA revised previous years' GDP numbers, and what it found this time is that growth in almost every quarter since 2012 was weaker than it previously calculated.

The result is that GDP growth from 2012 to 2014 was just 2%, not 2.3%. In dollar terms, the revisions cut more than $100 billion from the nation's economic pie.

It also means that President Obama has presided over an economic recovery — now more than six years old — that is far worse than all the previous 10 stretching back 70 years.

Even President Bush's recovery from the 2001 recession — widely derided by Democrats and the press for being far too tepid — was stronger that Obama's. After 24 quarters, Obama's GDP is up a mere 13.3%. By this point in the Bush recovery, GDP had grown 18%.

Looked at another way, if Obama's recovery had been merely average — that is, if it had kept pace with the average of the previous 10 — the nation's economy would be $2.07 trillion bigger.

That works out to more than $17,000 in lost wealth per household thanks to Obama's subpar growth.

When confronted with such dismal results, the Obama administration and its defenders will blame the recession, claiming that recoveries from fiscal crises are always slower. Leave aside the fact that multiple studies have debunked this claim — as the charts below show — Obama's recovery has vastly underperformed even his own projections.

Obama's fiscal 2010 budget, for example, pegged 2010 growth at 3.2%. Actual growth was 2.5%. Even now, Obama keeps overestimating the growth his policies are supposed to be producing. While slow and steady might win some races, when it comes to the economy, it means leaving millions of the most vulnerable Americans falling behind.

Average income among the wealthiest 5% of households has climbed since 2009, but it's dropped for those in the bottom 20%, Census data reveal.

The average length of unemployment is now 28 weeks — a month longer than when the economic recovery officially began way back in June 2009.

Millions have given up looking for work and dropped out of the labor force entirely. And millions more are in poverty and on food stamps than at the start of Obama's recovery.

How many of these people would say they're pleased with the "steady" snail's pace growth under this president? In our view, this is an intolerable economic situation, and one that would be widely viewed as such if someone other than Obama occupied the White House.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/073015-764333-tepid-gdp-growth-leaves-economy-even-further-behind-the-pace.htm

[240 is Back]

Sure it is. The 94mil people not looking for jobs says so. And just to add this was just 5 days ago..

Yes you support Trump - who has said the 11 million illegals who soak up millions of jobs, can STAY in teh use thru this 'merit' amnesty he is proposing.

Make up your mind - which is it?  Trump's amnesty plan (let them stay) is the obama amnesty plan, and you know it.  Same plan, same economic results.  Ted Cruz will kick their asses out - opening up millions of jobs for americans.

[Coach is Back!]

Really, Joe.  She was also Secretary of State and a US Senator....

And failed. 4 Americans dead, one dude in jail for alleging making a video that supposedly started the whole thing only to find out he was just a scape goat.

[Skip8282]

Trump is a billionaire + commanding lead + huge set of TV skills + able to blur his political positions and make people feel good about it at the same time (Reagan evolved, and so have I...)

Please define "nowhere".   How will he place in iowa?  NH?   Where will he finish in the delegate count?  What date will he

I agree trump is a freakin' joke, I agree he's neither dem nor repub - I think he's this cheerleading salesman able to make people feel good about fighting the power.  We probably agree about plenty when it comes to trump.

But I want to know when/how it comes unraveled for trump.  He shit on vets and went up another ten points in polls.  unreal, i know, but the GOp voting base is so in love with his celebrity, they are willing to look past his shady political positions and classless idiocy.

I don't think he'll make it either, but I can't predict when he'll fall out.  And, I could be dead wrong and he goes all the way.

But Hillary playing it low key seems unwise.  Not all of the attention on Repubs is negative and they're getting a lot of airtime right now.

[andreisdaman]

I don't think he'll make it either, but I can't predict when he'll fall out.  And, I could be dead wrong and he goes all the way.

But Hillary playing it low key seems unwise.  Not all of the attention on Repubs is negative and they're getting a lot of airtime right now.

I agree...I really don't understand her strategy

[Coach is Back!]

I avoid the politics board most of the time, but Joe, you realize how many people died when Bush was in office? In Embassies that were attacked?

A lot more than 4.

Where was the outrage then?

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/05/138727-viral-meme-13-benghazis-happened-bush-taken-apart-destroyed-eyes/

[LurkerNoMore]

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/05/138727-viral-meme-13-benghazis-happened-bush-taken-apart-destroyed-eyes/

Still waiting to hear how many women Hillary is.

[Coach is Back!]

Still waiting to hear how many women Hillary is.

You might as well just stand there with a blank look on your face with drool dribbling from your mouth. That would be about the same rebut.