2015 Olympia - Phil Heath 7 weeks out

[Simple Simon]

Listen, most pros in the 70's trained with passion and heavy and hard, and a lot of them did NOT wind up like Ronnie Coleman.

Hell, Dorian trained SUPER heavy and hard, and he is not riddled with injuries later on in life.

Sure, all that matters is the end results, and Phil winning the Mr. O. But that doesn't mean we can say he has no passion and trains like utter shit, because he does.

I think there is a balance between training dumb (like Branch) and train hard and heavy and with passion(like Arnold did and many others).

Phil will always be remembered for his Olympia wins. He will also be remembered for being the most whiniest, cry baby, uninspiring, lazy Mr. O ever. That is part of the "legacy" he will leave behind. His choice

two ruptured biceps and tricep?

[Papper]

I'll pass on watching the great Mr Olympia looking totally bored inside a bench press machine. He almost puts me off training.

[SF1900]

two ruptured biceps and tricep?

Injuries are inevitable in bodybuilding.

Affeman was comparing him to ronnie who has had back surgery, knee surgery, hip surgery, and is in walkers, crutches, and wheelchairs.

Dorian has not sustained any injuries of that nature.

[OneMoreRep]

Injuries are inevitable in bodybuilding.

Affeman was comparing him to ronnie who has had back surgery, knee surgery, hip surgery, and is in walkers, crutches, and wheelchairs.

Dorian has not sustained any injuries of that nature.

Dorian sustained career-ending injuries.

I know it's true, because it says it on his website:

"Due to the injury, Yates was forced to retire, with a pro record of 15 wins and two second-place finishes."

http://www.dorianyatesnutrition.com/dorian-yates/about-dorian-yates/

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[SF1900]

Dorian sustained career-ending injuries.

I know it's true, because it says it on his website:

"Due to the injury, Yates was forced to retire, with a pro record of 15 wins and two second-place finishes."

http://www.dorianyatesnutrition.com/dorian-yates/about-dorian-yates/

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I am talking about the AFTER effects. After one retires. Dorian is not riddled with extensive injuries like Ronnie after his career. That is what we are referring to--Affeman posted pictures of Ronnie post-competitive days.

Did Dorian need multiple hip, back, or knee surgeries AFTER retirement? No. Are there any pics of Dorian like Ronnie in his post-competitive days (with pins, crutches, wheelchairs, walkers)?

Yes, he sustained injuries that ended his career, but post-competitive days, his health seems to be fine, when compared to Ronnie.

Thus, my original statement still stands: Dorian trained heavy, and post-competitively is doing fine health wise. From what we know and what we can see.

[OneMoreRep]

Are there any pics of Dorian like Ronnie in his post-competitive days (with pins, crutches, wheelchairs, walkers)?

I don't think so. I mean, I haven't seen any posted here before.

I think he is doing relatively well. Then again, Ronnie trained unlike any other bodybuilder I have ever seen and had results that have been unmatched by any bodybuilder in the entire history of bodybuilding.

Also, I don't think I ever saw Arnold lift as heavy as Ronnie. I always saw videos/pictures of Arnold lifting light weight and smiling throughout his workouts.

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[Parker]

I am talking about the AFTER effects. After one retires. Dorian is not riddled with extensive injuries like Ronnie after his career. That is what we are referring to--Affeman posted pictures of Ronnie post-competitive days.

Did Dorian need multiple hip, back, or knee surgeries AFTER retirement? No. Are there any pics of Dorian like Ronnie in his post-competitive days (with pins, crutches, wheelchairs, walkers)?

Yes, he sustained injuries that ended his career, but post-competitive days, his health seems to be fine, when compared to Ronnie.

Thus, my original statement still stands: Dorian trained heavy, and post-competitively is doing fine health wise. From what we know and what we can see.

True. Dorian trained heavy, but Ronnie trained like he was Atlas himself, and enjoyed it, and continued to train the same way AFTER he retired (even after getting his hips replaced!). Dorian was like "eff that, I am having fun".
It seems that light to moderate weights, high reps is a path to longevity, like Vince Taylor and I think Shawn, Lee Haney, Flex, and I believe even Albert Beckles did the same.

[SF1900]

I don't think so. I mean, I haven't seen any posted here before.

I think he is doing relatively well. Then again, Ronnie trained unlike any other bodybuilder I have ever seen and had results that have been unmatched by any bodybuilder in the entire history of bodybuilding.

Also, I don't think I ever saw Arnold lift as heavy as Ronnie. I always saw videos/pictures of Arnold lifting light weight and smiling throughout his workouts.

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Dorian lifted damn heavy and trained, and post-competitvely, he appears to be doing fine, unlike Ronnie.

As I stated, you can still train hard and with passion and be doing fine after retirement. Phil is just lazy and has no true passion for bodybuilding.

[Parker]

Dorian lifted damn heavy and trained, and post-competitvely, he appears to be doing fine, unlike Ronnie.

As I stated, you can still train hard and with passion and be doing fine after retirement. Phil is just lazy and has no true passion for bodybuilding.

Well...your last part, the same was said about Flex, and he had 4 Arnold Classics and multiple other wins to show for it, and Phil has four Sandows. I don't think it's laziness, otherwise be would just quit and take his money and contacts and do other things. I remember one time he said that he wanted to see how big he could get his arms...Also, he would never have gotten onstage at all if he had no passion for it.  He would never go for the first or Fourth Sandow.


What's the difference in this vid and what Phil was saying and what Ronnie is saying in this vid (notice Ronnie is curling 35s?)

They both seem to have the same training philosophy when it comes to arms. And maybe other body parts. And if you look at their rep speed and intensity, it's about the same.

Now, I believe that the Unbelievable and Cost of Redemption has skewed our views of what intensity and poundages need to be. Also, I believe Dorian did a lot of work with machines, but he was "intense". Yes, Phil's vids are kinda boring, especially the chest ones, but how many people in the gym would be just the same?

[DroppingPlates]

Phil has a passion for recognition, attention, haterz and living like he won the jackpot..

[Yamcha]

Yes, Phil's vids are kinda boring, especially the chest ones, but how many people in the gym would be just the same?

That's the thing though... We aren't trying to compare Phil to most people in the gym. He's supposed to be an Olympian. Idk...

[Parker]

That's the thing though... We aren't trying to compare Phil to most people in the gym. He's supposed to be an Olympian. Idk...

Exactly! So is he supposed to yell out "Gifted...Get That Gold!!!", or  "The Champ Is Here!!", or
"It's that black card baby!!!" for every rep, and every set?

Or do we expect him to be lifting a ton of weight just to impress us, the viewers?

Do we expect something that separates him from us? Is that it?

[Grape Ape]

Exactly! So is he supposed to yell out "Gifted...Get That Gold!!!", or  "The Champ Is Here!!", or
"It's that black card baby!!!" for every rep, and every set?

Or do we expect him to be lifting a ton of weight just to impress us, the viewers?

Do we expect something that separates him from us? Is that it?

That's what I don't get either.  If he's able to get himself into condition to be the best at what he does on the entire planet, who cares?

I'm not even a Heath fan, but this seems kind of nuts.  He's a pro bodybuilder, why would anyone expect anything more from him?

[Yamcha]

Just think that an Olympian would work harder than I do, but you're right.

It's just the cherry on top of the shit sundae that is bodybuilding.

[240 is Back]

Ronnie started the "super supplements" about ten years later than the current champ.

He's 51.  Phil is 35. 

[Ronnie Rep]

Just think that an Olympian would work harder than I do, but you're right.

It's just the cherry on top of the shit sundae that is bodybuilding.

That's what some people just don't get. Genetics, response to gear = elite pro bodybuilder.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

uncircumcised neck of peace

[mr.turbo]

if he trained hard then we'd find something else to dislike about him

unfortunately phil is just a douche bag

[Slik]

A good friend lived in Pembroke Pines fla. worked out in same gym as Vince Taylor. He told me Vince  didn't work out hard and used the lightest weights of any pro he'd ever seen but he was also amazed at what a good responder he must have been.

So maybe Phil deserves a pass

[musclecenter]

"I do the same exercises I did 50 years ago and they still work. I eat the same food I ate 50 years ago and it still works."

[ritch]

if he trained hard then we'd find something else to dislike about him

unfortunately phil is just a douche bag

yup.

[rocket]

I don't think so. I mean, I haven't seen any posted here before.

I think he is doing relatively well. Then again, Ronnie trained unlike any other bodybuilder I have ever seen and had results that have been unmatched by any bodybuilder in the entire history of bodybuilding.

Also, I don't think I ever saw Arnold lift as heavy as Ronnie. I always saw videos/pictures of Arnold lifting light weight and smiling throughout his workouts.

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Ronnie trained like a powerlifter/bber hybrid and I don't see many powerlifters with issues like Ronnie's.

[Ropo]

Ronnie trained like a powerlifter/bber hybrid and I don't see many powerlifters with issues like Ronnie's.

Ronnie is just an example what happens afterwards, when you have been using modern gear for decades. Rest of the pack will follow sooner or later. Difference between Ronnie and Dorian is that Ronnie try to maintain his weight, Dorian's weigh is less than half what it has been. There is plenty of obese males who have similar problems when they reach 60, and they have never lift anything but hamburgers and fork. Ronnie's weight has been in same category for decades, he has been lifting weights which most of people can move only with forklifts, and now he pay the price.

[Simple Simon]

300lb for what is essentially a land based biped mammal is excessive to say the least.

[Papper]

yup.

his smug face is enough