usa pie chart of spending...

[Competitor 9]

problem with this chart is that it is not in constant dollars.  That is it doesn't take into effect inflation

True it may or may not. most charts are adjusted for a standard 2.2% a year. However for this year we are at -.2% inflation which is very bad

[funk51]

That not even in the slightest true. Medicare flowed by SS make up almost 2/3 of us spending

by ss do you mean social security which is funded by taxpayers  payroll contributions, as in coming out of people's paychecks to insure some security in later life when we're to feeble to work and feed the machine...??/

[Kazan]

by ss do you mean social security which is funded by taxpayers  payroll contributions, as in coming out of people's paychecks to insure some security in later life when we're to feeble to work and feed the machine...??/

All government is funded by taxes, and if you are dumb enough to think you can survive on SS when you are old and feeble, when then you deserve to starve.

[funk51]

on the lighter side...

[disco_stu]

Not trolling, just can't figure out why you don't use the term "2015" in your search.

why would u use 2015 if the charts from 2005- 2015 are about the same?

a % chart isnt much use if you are arguing absolute amounts.

and if medicare/ss/health spending is spiralling, then u got a bunch of problems, especially if u are still spending loads of things like defence.

how a country can bicker about feeding the needy and at the same time spending loads on defence all the whilst being the home for multibillion dollar profiteering companies is beyond me.

[_aj_]

why would u use 2015 if the charts from 2005- 2015 are about the same?

a % chart isnt much use if you are arguing absolute amounts.

and if medicare/ss/health spending is spiralling, then u got a bunch of problems, especially if u are still spending loads of things like defence.

how a country can bicker about feeding the needy and at the same time spending loads on defence all the whilst being the home for multibillion dollar profiteering companies is beyond me.

"needy" 

[Thin Lizzy]

True it may or may not. most charts are adjusted for a standard 2.2% a year. However for this year we are at -.2% inflation which is very bad

Don't bother trying to use logic with Libs. They simply don't have the emotional maturity to admit that their Welfare State model is a miserable failure.

I showed this chart to Tim. His response was that corporations aren't being taxed enough, never mind that the U.S already has the highest corporate taxes in the world.

[Slik]

hilarious!!!!

[Kim Jong Bob]

That not even in the slightest true. Medicare flowed by SS make up almost 2/3 of us spending

ss, now that was a good  military unit that the germans should be proud of

[timfogarty]

I showed this chart to Tim. His response was that corporations aren't being taxed enough, never mind that the U.S already has the highest corporate taxes in the world.

The top tax rates for US Corporations may be the highest in the world, but the effective tax rate is quite a different story.  The average effective tax rate for US corporations is 12.6%. 

Pick any western industrialized country.  You want the US to have their tax rate? No problem with me. As long as you take their complete tax code with it.  Which generally means no credits, no deductions.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/01/news/economy/corporate-tax-rate/

[nicorulez]

   what do you make of it   

Where did you get this Bullshit. Moveon.org ? GTFO. Navy Mike has you dead to rights son.

[Grape Ape]

why would u use 2015 if the charts from 2005- 2015 are about the same?

a % chart isnt much use if you are arguing absolute amounts.

and if medicare/ss/health spending is spiralling, then u got a bunch of problems, especially if u are still spending loads of things like defence.

how a country can bicker about feeding the needy and at the same time spending loads on defence all the whilst being the home for multibillion dollar profiteering companies is beyond me.

Why would you use a chart from 2005 if you're talking about current spending?  Or is it common just to grab a decade old chart and assume it's the same?

I wasn't arguing anything either.  Didn't even read the fucking chart.

[nicorulez]

by ss do you mean social security which is funded by taxpayers  payroll contributions, as in coming out of people's paychecks to insure some security in later life when we're to feeble to work and feed the machine...??/

Funk, SS is the greatest PONZI scheme ever. The money you contribute in your payroll helps feed the elderly masses now. With the lack of good jobs and increasing entitlements, there is no guarantee that SS will be there tomorrow when you need it in 30 years or so.

[nicorulez]

http://time.com/money/3967821/social-security-trust-fund-2034/

It is by no means a guarantee that you will get the benefits that you have put in. Unless we have a job boon where more people are putting into the system than are taking out, we could be in trouble. How you like them apples my liberal friend.

[Voice of Doom]

How about we eliminate military spending AND entitlements?

All taxes are theft - Josiah Warren

[nicorulez]

Ok then, how about this. Our progressive tax system is a failure. The IRS is much to big and bureaucratic. Eliminate the IRS which would save billions. Why not a consumption tax and for the groveling libs I am ok with keeping SS benefits. Thus, you only pay your payroll taxes (SS and Medicare). Everything else you keep.

If you are poor, you will not buy the latest iPAD or iPhone or Samsung flat screen. For normal goods like groceries there is no tax...prepared or not. For gas and the service industry, you pay 15-20 percent. Same rate percent for clothes and such. For big ticket items over 5000 dollars or so, you pay 30% taxes. For cheap electronics, make then pay no tax.

There are no deductions of any kind. No charitable contributions for tax benefits. If you gift or tithe, you do it out of the generousness of your heart. If you are wealthy and want to buy a 200000 dollar car, you pay 260000.  If you buy that 10000 dollar flat screen, you pay 13000.

The rich would probably pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes this way. However, you don't have to hire an accountant and pay them gobs of money for their time. The tax is built in. You are done. There is no rate increase. It is the same rate January 1st vs December 31st.

This will never happen as the IRS machine is a Democratic propaganda machine. Also, I am sure that accountants and their lobbyists will have catatonic shock at the idea. However, sometimes simpler really is better.

[wes]

I`m on a diet and you fucks bring up pie!!   

[Grape Ape]

I`m on a diet and you fucks bring up pie!!   

Outed for complaining about pie.

[wes]

Outed for complaining about pie.

I can`t help myself!!

You still posting on the "Y"

[Grape Ape]

I can`t help myself!!

You still posting on the "Y"

I will bring the Y to the forefront of the forum when I feel like it later this year.

I have a training thread there, but you wouldn't like it though, no adductor machines....

[wes]

I will bring the Y to the forefront of the forum when I feel like it later this year.

I have a training thread there, but you wouldn't like it though, no adductor machines....

Ya` prick ya`!! 

I`ll have to start back posting my workouts again since I just started back after a long hiatus,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,too long! 

[Grape Ape]

Ya` prick ya`!! 

I`ll have to start back posting my workouts again since I just started back after a long hiatus,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,too long! 

Do it on the Y, if you'd like.

After the next two events I do, I'm going to try your carb cycling diet, for no reason other than just to do it.

[timfogarty]

Ok then, how about this. Our progressive tax system is a failure. The IRS is much to big and bureaucratic. Eliminate the IRS which would save billions. Why not a consumption tax and for the groveling libs I am ok with keeping SS benefits. Thus, you only pay your payroll taxes (SS and Medicare). Everything else you keep.

How about an asset tax?  Add up the value of everything you own: property, savings, investments, and once a year you pay a few percent of that as taxes.  This prevents the rich from deferring their income to avoid income tax, and discourages the rich from locking their wealth away where it doesn't contribute to the economy. A poor person who makes just enough to live on would have few if any assets so the tax would be very progressive.

By the way, the primary purpose of the bureaucrats in the IRS is to guarantee everyone pays their share.  Making the IRS smaller means there are fewer audits and therefore less risk of cheating on your taxes.

[nicorulez]

How about an asset tax?  Add up the value of everything you own: property, savings, investments, and once a year you pay a few percent of that as taxes.  This prevents the rich from deferring their income to avoid income tax, and discourages the rich from locking their wealth away where it doesn't contribute to the economy. A poor person who makes just enough to live on would have few if any assets so the tax would be very progressive.

By the way, the primary purpose of the bureaucrats in the IRS is to guarantee everyone pays their share.  Making the IRS smaller means there are fewer audits and therefore less risk of cheating on your taxes.

I am ok with a person who makes a lot paying his fair share. I don't like the flat tax idea as a person making 15K a year is struggling to survive. However, I think if you make 50k a year you should have skin in the game. If you make a million, you should have to pay a fixed rate based on your value. However, remember the asset tax could cut both ways as a lot of wealthy individuals have debt in the way of mortgages, business expenses, etc.

Instead of looking at it globally, look at their end of the year 1099 and K1's, and base their tax on that value. I am a physician and my salary is not fixed, it is fluid based on the medicare reimbursement and my overall practice growth rate minus overhead. CEO's who are worth millions could easily bypass this as they could take a 1 dollar salary. However, they get income from dividends and stock assets and options. Place a fixed rate on these assets that are paying out.

However, you have to admit that the Obumbo administration has grown the government to no end. The IRS has added thousands of employees to go after those so called tax cheats. Eliminate the IRS, the complex tax rules, and deductions and everybody will pay their fair share.

Maybe, if corporate taxes are kept low, Apple will move some of their 200 billion to the USA.

[pellius]

  what do you make of it    

Can you give the source of this pie chart?

It is entitlement spending that makes up the vast majority of the federal budget. Medicare, Medicaid is not even represented on this chart.