Dorian Yates takes a shot at Phil Heath

[Azure]

Jay was almost unbeatable in 2009.

I guess. Never a fan of his stage physique....but you know what? At least he even tried to make it exciting by bringing his best package to date. I guess the audience got its money's worth in that regard but i am of the opinion that things went downhill So I'm not ever interested in attending. Even at the show I had to go last year I was so grossed out except for one competitor but to each his own

[SF1900]

Same with Lee Priest, small chest compared to arms etc. That's why I always talk about the difference between symmetry and aesthetics. The so-called symmetrical guys didn't always have great symmetry, they just flowed in a pleasant way despite actually having relatively poor symmetry.
Old timers always cry about the lack of symmetry today but the guys today have way better symmetry in general, for example many guys used to lack legs. Many also feel a small waist is synonymous with great symmetry but if you think about it, it's just an aesthetic preference that's pretty subjective.

And if the O title was given to Wolf this year like many here would like... what about his lack of calves? His symmetry is fucked permanently.

Symmetry and aesthetics often go hand-in-hand.

What we perceive as aesthetic and beautiful, is often symmetrical.

Research has shown that faces that are perceived as most beautiful and aesthetic, have the greatest symmetry. Ears, eyes, nose, equally distant apart--everything aligned where it should be, etc.

[Skorp1o]

We shouldn't even compare Dorian and Ronnie to anyone else...unless it's between those two.

Phil heath would dissapear next to Dorian/Ronnie on stage. Look at the pic below, it's like Usain Bolt vs Shizzo in the 100m

[Royalty]

In the 90's guys like Shawn Ray & Kevin Levrone & Chris Cormier were fixtures in the top 6 at the Olympia.

Today we have Branch Warren. 

[SF1900]

In the 90's guys like Shawn Ray & Kevin Levrone & Chris Cormier were fixtures in the top 6 at the Olympia.

Today we have Branch Warren. 

 

[Taffin]

 

[SaintAnger]

Look at the top 10 of any Olympia from the 90s.  Even the worst guy who clearly didn't diet could have wiped the floor with the best guys of today.  Hell, even the Mr. USA and Nats Overall guys were of stellar stock. 

Today's lot are just fucking sorry both genetically and are drug abused.  Not a good combination.

I don't see what the debate is about here.

[Royalty]

Branch doesn't belong in the top 6

Period

[Redux]

Photoshop a turd enough and even it can look decent.

[Azure]

Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman ruined bodybuilding for ever.

You got that right.

I like Ronnie as a person and think he's hilarious but I am in full agreement that he and Yates ruined what was a thing of beauty. Similarly to the way Kim C and Iris ruined the female side. It was after that things went to hell. I guess you blame the judges but they kept sending the message that bigger is better and people followed suit. If horrible doesn't get rewarded then horrible won't win.

I think Phil would have looked a lot better had he competed in the 90's because dudes didn't have this poofy look which im assuming is caused by the insulin

[Taffin]

Photoshop a turd enough and even it can look decent.

 

[Van_Bilderass]

I guess you blame the judges but they kept sending the message that bigger is better and people followed suit. If horrible doesn't get rewarded then horrible won't win.

Horrible? Even fucking Shawn Ray said Yates was the clear winner in 93 for example. Everyone who saw the black and white pics in 93 felt they had already lost the show, Yates was simply so dominant even if "ugly". It was sort of impossible to put him anywhere except first even if you thought he was "too big". Or Ronnie. What the fuck were the judges supposed to do in 1998? Think that Ronnie was sending a "poor message" by being too big and too ripped? All of us bb fans, even the ones who think the Golden Days were in the 80's would have done the same, had we been in the judges' seat.

This progression was not masterminded by some evil homo judges. It just sort of happened because how else do you judge a bb show, except by amount of ripped, symmetrical muscle? We may prefer Arnold but would we have put prime Arnold ahead of prime Yates or Coleman in a bb show? How would we justify it? By saying Yates and Coleman are too big and ripped and Arnold is the limit? There would also be no way for anyone to "compete" against a set limit in size and hardness. What are you going to do trying to win if you can't get bigger or harder?

[dj181]

Same with Lee Priest, small chest compared to arms etc. That's why I always talk about the difference between symmetry and aesthetics. The so-called symmetrical guys didn't always have great symmetry, they just flowed in a pleasant way despite actually having relatively poor symmetry.
Old timers always cry about the lack of symmetry today but the guys today have way better symmetry in general, for example many guys used to lack legs. Many also feel a small waist is synonymous with great symmetry but if you think about it, it's just an aesthetic preference that's pretty subjective.

And if the O title was given to Wolf this year like many here would like... what about his lack of calves? His symmetry is fucked permanently.

you're mixing up symmetry with proportion bro

symmetry=left and right side of body match equally
proportion=each body part matches the other with no bodyparts better than others

the KING of proportion is right here 

[Van_Bilderass]

you're mixing up symmetry with proportion bro

symmetry=left and right side of body match equally
proportion=each body part matches the other with no bodyparts better than others

the KING of proportion is right here 

  Well yeah I did, but symmetry is thought of as having no part overpowering another. At least that's how I think most think when talking symmetry. There is no proportion round in bb, but they are supposed to be looking at how everything matches, left to right, upper to lower, bodypart to bodypart.

[Azure]

Horrible? Even fucking Shawn Ray said Yates was the clear winner in 93 for example. Everyone who saw the black and white pics in 93 felt they had already lost the show, Yates was simply so dominant even if "ugly". It was sort of impossible to put him anywhere except first even if you thought he was "too big". Or Ronnie. What the fuck were the judges supposed to do in 1998? Think that Ronnie was sending a "poor message" by being too big and too ripped? All of us bb fans, even the ones who think the Golden Days were in the 80's would have done the same, had we been in the judges' seat.

This progression was not masterminded by some evil homo judges. It just sort of happened because how else do you judge a bb show, except by amount of ripped, symmetrical muscle? We may prefer Arnold but would we have put prime Arnold ahead of prime Yates or Coleman in a bb show? How would we justify it? By saying Yates and Coleman are too big and ripped and Arnold is the limit? There would also be no way for anyone to "compete" against a set limit in size and hardness. What are you going to do trying to win if you can't get bigger or harder?

In this endeavor the goal is always development so I guess this was inevitable but it looks terrible and isn't worth it IMO.  People always told me that they have to judge what is in front of them but I would have judged it down because I think it looks terrible.  Same with Female Bodybuilding. I would have judged it down because I don't think the development is worth the aesthetics but that's just me.  I would mark someone like Branch near the bottom because I think it looks a mess.

[indie-lad]

Yup.  Best winning percentage as a pro?

I think he really does have the best winning percentage ever. Arnold is right up there with him as well.

[MORTALCOIL]

Taking a shot at Phil is a ballsy move. You've got to be pretty accurate to hit.

[Alucard]

Yates and Coleman (judges mostly in reality) "destroyed" bodybuilding with how they progressed, or regressed... It's all good, in my opinion, if you are huge and ripped with a tight waist, sporting your weight well... That's how peak Yates was until 1994, and peak Coleman until 2000, and that is what counts here compared to The Shrimp and his laughable competition... They were already incredible, no needs to put on more and more mass, with a horrible distended stomach and torn bodyparts, that's were judges fucked up, rewarding them looking like that... Cutler was ok in 1999 still fresh, but mostly a horrible physique, a fridge with a minimum 50 inch waist, a side bigger than the other, oilbags arms and shoulders, should never ever win the Olympia, even if he looked somewhat decent in some of them, like 2009, but that's just me...

[NarcissisticDeity]

#TeamNarrow

[Royalty]

#TeamNarrow

The first thing that I noticed in that pic: Yates' pecs look 3-times thicker than Phil's pecs

And; Phil's forearms suddenly don't look so big

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yeah Buddy Yip Yip

[Hypo]

Bodybuilding hit it's peak with him and Ronnie. Sorry Phil , Jay and Dex

I see Dorian has adopted Wiggs's skills in winning an argument. FACT!

[hazbin]

Yeah Buddy Yip Yip

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[NarcissisticDeity]

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Ouch lol   

[Coffeed]

Who is going to beat him?

Kai? Shit... I don't like the politics of bodybuilding, but I'm in favor of our "super bowl" winner not being an S&M sex dungeon mascot. Makes me feel bad for the youth who follow the "sport." So few left...