Which supplements actually work?

[theworm]

I mean legal Otc supplements, other than traditional whey or creatine


There's a lot of hype of bcaa during excercise, any other sups work?

[local hero]

According to the Arnold v yates thread there's been huge leaps in diet and supps, love to find out what they are my self 

[DHEA-100]

Cr is THE only supp which works.  Everything else, including protein, only work to line the pockets of those who market them.

[Royalty]

Cr is THE only supp which works.  Everything else, including protein, only work to line the pockets of those who market them.

What about DHEA?

[_aj_]

Cr is THE only supp which works.  Everything else, including protein, only work to line the pockets of those who market them.

 

People that let a bunch of low-IQ pencil necks in Congress decide your morality. Oh brother.

[theworm]

What about DHEA?

Read a lot about vit D increasing gains and natural test levels.

[affeman]

Ginseng in combination with caffeine is a great natural Test-Booster. I'm not kidding, give it a try.

[DHEA-100]

DHEA is a parent hormone which supplementation w/ doesn't cause endogenous suppression, as w/ medically prescribed testosterone use most certainly does even w/ hypo-gonadal men.  Exogenous hormonal supplementation of a non-parental hormone will always cause a negative feedback in the HPTA loop.  This sets into motion a host of ill health effects.  Which explains all the ambulance chaser TV commercials.  DHEA is NOT a bb'ing hormone.  Its an anti-aging hormone.  Anyone who mega-doses DHEA thinking its going to increase muscle mass is mistaken.  It truly is an OTC miracle I am sooo grateful for to the FDA.

[CalvinH]

Any supplement that work ends up being classified as a steroid and taken off the shelves.



...PIP Andro

[Dokey111]

^ this

[Never1AShow]

Cr is THE only supp which works.  Everything else, including protein, only work to line the pockets of those who market them.

Creatine makes you hold a little water, which gives you better leverage, and so, a little more strength while you are taking it.  That might translate into a little bit more muscle.

Ephedrine, for energy and focus.  But it is basically a lesser form of speed.  Most any stimulants are the same.

Other than that, I'd say nothing.  All that smilax, gamma oryzynol, MetRx, Cybergenics, MuscoMXT, Metabolol, etc. type stuff is snake oil.  They should put the people making it in jail as fraudsters and scammers.  Instead they spend money busting people selling the things that actually work.

Protein powders and weight gainers "work" in the same way food works.  More calories and protein in them might help you grow and they are more convenient than cooking meat.  Meat is better though.

[Never1AShow]

DHEA is a parent hormone which supplementation w/ doesn't cause endogenous suppression, as even medically prescribed testosterone use.  Which explains all the ambulance chaser TV commercials.  DHEA is NOT a bb'ing hormone.  Its an anti-aging hormone.  Anyone who mega-doses DHEA thinking its going to increase muscle mass is mistaken.  It truly is an OTC miracle I am sooo grateful for to the FDA.

What does it do that is helpful if it doesn't build muscle?

[Royalty]

DHEA is a parent hormone which supplementation w/ doesn't cause endogenous suppression, as even medically prescribed testosterone use.  Which explains all the ambulance chaser TV commercials.  DHEA is NOT a bb'ing hormone.  Its an anti-aging hormone.  Anyone who mega-doses DHEA thinking its going to increase muscle mass is mistaken.  It truly is an OTC miracle I am sooo grateful for to the FDA.

What's your opinion of 7-KETO DHEA?

[theworm]

DHEA is a parent hormone which supplementation w/ doesn't cause endogenous suppression, as even medically prescribed testosterone use.  Which explains all the ambulance chaser TV commercials.  DHEA is NOT a bb'ing hormone.  Its an anti-aging hormone.  Anyone who mega-doses DHEA thinking its going to increase muscle mass is mistaken.  It truly is an OTC miracle I am sooo grateful for to the FDA.

Why is it a miracle if it doesn't do anything? 

[Uncle Joon]

I mean legal Otc supplements, other than traditional whey or creatine


There's a lot of hype of bcaa during excercise, any other sups work?

define "work" no offense but its a retarded question. Think about why that is

[DHEA-100]

What does it do that is helpful if it doesn't build muscle?

"Building Muscle" does little or nothing to slow or stop the age process.  

http://thehormonedoctor.com/hormones/dhea/
http://www.life-enhancement.com/magazine/article/533-dhea-the-most-versatile-hormone
http://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/health/is-dhea-a-better-way-to-raise-testosterone-20130702

Attached are my latest DHEA levels which are closer to where I want them.

[Never1AShow]

"Building Muscle" does little or nothing to slow or stop the age process.  

http://thehormonedoctor.com/hormones/dhea/
http://www.life-enhancement.com/magazine/article/533-dhea-the-most-versatile-hormone
http://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/health/is-dhea-a-better-way-to-raise-testosterone-20130702

Attached are my latest DHEA levels which are closer to where I want them.

So you are saying it "slows the aging process"?  Another bullshit amorphous unmeasurable claim.  Translation it doesn't do shit?

[mr.turbo]

creatine will bump your test and dht level up a bit

something like 50%

 

[Royalty]

creatine will bump your test and dht level up a bit

something like 50%

 

The male penis secretes large amounts of creatine during sleep. That creatine travels to the kidneys and converts into human growth hormone. The growth hormone travels back to the penis and makes it hard. That's why it's important to get lots of sleep.

[Uncle Joon]

Basically if they are legal they don't work.
If illegal they work.
If you they work and are legal they will become illegal soon
End of thread

[andreisdaman]

I mean legal Otc supplements, other than traditional whey or creatine


There's a lot of hype of bcaa during excercise, any other sups work?

NONE WORK.....END OF THREAD

[mr.turbo]

The male penis secretes large amounts of creatine during sleep. That creatine travels to the kidneys and converts into human growth hormone. The growth hormone travels back to the penis and makes it hard. That's why it's important to get lots of sleep.

I have not heard this 

here's the link to the dht study

RESULTS: After 7 days of creatine loading, or a further 14 days of creatine maintenance dose, serum T levels did not change. However, levels of DHT increased by 56% after 7 days of creatine loading and remained 40% above baseline after 14 days maintenance (P < 0.001). The ratio of DHT:T also increased by 36% after 7 days creatine supplementation and remained elevated by 22% after the maintenance dose (P < 0.01).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19741313

 

[LurkerNoMore]

The original Cybergenics.   But even that didn't  work in the state of NY.    Despite all the muscle mags ads and flooding propaganda approach, they were actually required to put on their package "This product will not work for the residents of New York". 

The original MetRx worked too.  But only if you got the original formula.  Which was so powerful it couldn't be mixed together and had to be sold in two separate containers.

[m8]

Citrulline/Arginine.

Also makes your dick hard as a rock as a  side effect.

But yeah, creatine, a good multi and some whey is probably all you're going to "need" as a natty guy. And even then, the gains will be minimal.

[_aj_]

Basically if they are legal they don't work.
If illegal they work.
If you they work and are legal they will become illegal soon
End of thread

QFT.