Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thought u would?

[mazrim]

Some of the bigger names in trt therapy (Gordon and Crisler) are going to lower doses/more frequent pinning. Somewhere around 60 to 80mg per week to eliminate ai, etc. As stated, though, bloodtests are the key.

[pellius]

the general trt dose is 100-125 mg per week

Are you on TRT?

[Jizmo]

"docs dont know shit the average gym rat probably knows more about testosterone than the average docdocs dont know shit the average gym rat probably knows more about testosterone than the average doc"

The ignorance exemplified in the above ^ statement typifies why steroids outlawed.  Screwing w/ the delicate balance of the endocrine system outside the scope of, & often including, professional medical treatment has to the most underrated threats to public health of young people.

"professional medical treatment" like 200mg test cyp every 4 weeks (regularly prescribed dosage), which leaves you with pretty much zero testosterone for a whole 2 weeks, from 2 weeks after the injection?

or the "better" regularly prescribed dosage of 200mg test cyp every 2 weeks, which makes your testosterone levels fluctuate like THIS?

this is the testosterone level of the average TRT patient


yeah, sure must be healthy having your test level fluctuate between 3mg and 20mg a day over the course of two weeks  

not even the most retarded of steroid users inject testosterone every 2 weeks
even 1 week is pushing it for cyp and E esters

and you tell me docs got a clue 

[dj181]

Are you on TRT?

nope

getting a new stash on sunday and i'll start off with this

50 mg test prop eod
50 mg drol ed

now i'm running this

100 mg test prop ed
30 mg tren ace ed

[spiro]

Test by itself sucks. I can't believe no one has mentioned that. You need at least one other compound to go with it. Test by itself just makes you a little bit thicker. Eventually if you don't eat perfect and take an ai you end up looking like a puffer fish.

Try 500 test prop 300 npp
Or  500 test 300 masteron
Or 500 test 300 tren

Possibilities are endless. The second compound adds the "look" to the muscle. That is what you are missing. Try 500 test 300 masteron you will take on a tighter harder look with a slight roundness to your muscle that blows test only away. Switch masteron for deca or Npp you will have a  cartoonish shape and roundness to your muscle.

I waste a lot of time playing with test only. Personally I think it sucks. Even adding an oral will double your results.

[robcguns]

I remember when i was around 23 i got 200 duratest 250 amps from organon for 900.00 and i started doing 2 a week then 3 then 6 all the way up to 8 so 2grams a week and it didnt do as much as i thought,pretty much same as 750mgs a week.I didnt respond well to test.I got gret results from dbol and eq,deca and test nothing i expected at all.

[bears]

I find it funny how everyone is completely ignoring the fact that he's only been running it for 4 weeks and he eats 2,000 calories a day. 

"yeah you need to up the dosage man"   

[mazrim]

I find it funny how everyone is completely ignoring the fact that he's only been running it for 4 weeks and he eats 2,000 calories a day. 

"yeah you need to up the dosage man"   

Did you read the responses on the first page at all?

[pellius]

rubbish. seriously have any of you guys trained without gear?..or gone for a decade or more of considerable amounts of time on and OFF gear?..like 2 years + off in between cycles?

and since when was 15% BFAT blubbery?

its clear from reading posts on this board since 1998 that more and more people rely solely on gear, and believe that no muscle was ever gained or retained without it.

you can hold and even increase muscle, while staying lean, after cycles. there is a good 6 months or more before you get back to the same level, and it depends on the dose you used. low doses and hard training put on quality muscle that stays there.

big doses make you lazy and you lose the mindset to train hard and eat well..and rack up muscle loss as part of the deal. its a cop out.

Have you posted a pic showing what you have achieved naturally?

And as far as with the upper levels, I find the opposite to be true to what you claim. Some NPC/Pros won't even bother to step into a gym without being juiced to the gills. They figure that they have far exceeded their natural limit and no amount of training, food, sleep, nutrition supps are going to make any difference in their physique.

Why bust your ass knowing it won't make a difference? It's only when they are pumping in the vials do they figure it worth it to go balls to the wall.

Being gassed motivates them to train harder.

[pellius]

Some of the bigger names in trt therapy (Gordon and Crisler) are going to lower doses/more frequent pinning. Somewhere around 60 to 80mg per week to eliminate ai, etc. As stated, though, bloodtests are the key.

Remember, when taking into account the ester, 100mg Test Cyp/Enan will give you about 80mg of actual Test. A healthy man in his mid twenties is producing about 75mg/wk.

[njflex]

Have you posted a pic showing what you have achieved naturally?

And as far as with the upper levels, I find the opposite to be true to what you claim. Some NPC/Pros won't even bother to step into a gym without being juiced to the gills. They figure that they have far exceeded their natural limit and no amount of training, food, sleep, nutrition supps are going to make any difference in their physique.

Why bust your ass knowing it won't make a difference? It's only when they are pumping in the vials do they figure it worth it to go balls to the wall.

Being gassed motivates them to train harder.

TRUE,,,until they reach the point and accept they will never resemble there true stage look or peak off season size and truly move on...it doesn't mean some trt won't be used sometime/somewhere in there lives ,but some older pros sport pretty good builds yet,tom terwillinger,labrada,haney'considering his old look 'massive,mro'there training is less and poundages are probably not a fraction or close..going to the gym is a good thing in the end,,bbers kill it cause it get them to there final goal 'the stage'

[pellius]

TRUE,,,until they reach the point and accept they will never resemble there true stage look or peak off season size and truly move on...it doesn't mean some trt won't be used sometime/somewhere in there lives ,but some older pros sport pretty good builds yet,tom terwillinger,labrada,haney'considering his old look 'massive,mro'there training is less and poundages are probably not a fraction or close..going to the gym is a good thing in the end,,bbers kill it cause it get them to there final goal 'the stage'

Hmm, very insightful post.

[Thong Maniac]

As i mentioned, im reverse dieting by november or so, i should be up around 3200 cals or something and hopefully maintaining condition. You guys eating over 3000 a day and lean are ectos. I dont have that luxury

[njflex]

Hmm, very insightful post.

thanks pellius,just my 2 cents...u always have some good insight or truth without the fluff...

[BBSSchlemiel]

Right now I'm on a TRT type program of 200mg/wk of Test and 300mg/wk of Deca.

So a total of 500 mg testosterone and one of its derivatives is TRT. Nice.

[_aj_]

So a total of 500 mg testosterone and one of its derivatives is TRT. Nice.

I think I need to have a consult with his TRT doc, stat!

[dj181]

So a total of 500 mg testosterone and one of its derivatives is TRT. Nice.

i'm taking about 500 mg a week, so i must be or TRT too 

[BBSSchlemiel]

i'm taking about 500 mg a week, so i must be or TRT too 

TRT as defined by bodybuilders and You Tube stars: 500 to 1000 mg per week.

[Jizmo]

lets just coin the term TIT
testosterone increasing therapy

"u on trt brah?"
nah im on tit bro.

[pellius]

So a total of 500 mg testosterone and one of its derivatives is TRT. Nice.

TRT "type" program. TRT is Testosterone Replacement Therapy.

That was determined and is  administrated by an endocrinologist.

The Deca I do on my own. Deca is not used in any TRT program, hence the "type" qualifier.

 

[Omega]

Have you posted a pic showing what you have achieved naturally?

And as far as with the upper levels, I find the opposite to be true to what you claim. Some NPC/Pros won't even bother to step into a gym without being juiced to the gills. They figure that they have far exceeded their natural limit and no amount of training, food, sleep, nutrition supps are going to make any difference in their physique.

Why bust your ass knowing it won't make a difference? It's only when they are pumping in the vials do they figure it worth it to go balls to the wall.

Being gassed motivates them to train harder.

Totally mental and against the principles but thats modern BBing.
Alchemists with De-illusions of grandeur.
Walking experiments of the nonsense age 'age of awakening' otherwise they will say..