Russell Wilson's New House

[Man of Steel]

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

I know, I know, we have to take in context. We shouldnt literally interpret it. I know, I know. WE are all wrong. The quote isn't what it really means. Its just a metaphor. No one gets it except theists.  

It means exactly what it says, but how does this verse (context or not) justify the idea that Christians can't be rich?

What about Job, Abraham, David or Solomon?

[El Diablo Blanco]

It means exactly what it says, but how does this verse (context or not) justify the idea that Christians can't be rich?

What about Job, Abraham, David or Solomon?

LOL, you named 4 Jews.  Of course they're rich

[Dave D]

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

I know, I know, we have to take in context. We shouldnt literally interpret it. I know, I know. WE are all wrong. The quote isn't what it really means. Its just a metaphor. No one gets it except theists.  

SF1900 I know you're trolling  MOS, so I'll spare you my nonsense, but that doesn't say rich people won't enter God's kingdom it states it will be hard. As are often times most tasks worth accomplishing.

[SF1900]

It means exactly what it says, but how does this verse (context or not) justify the idea that Christians can't be rich?

What about Job, Abraham, David or Solomon?

If they don't want to make it into heaven, then I guess they are allowed to be rich. But I guess they can still consider themselves a Christian, however it may be harder for them to get into heaven.

But if they want to make it into heaven, it will be difficult. It says it right there. Its the bible saying it. Not me.

[SF1900]

SF1900 I know you're trolling  MOS, so I'll spare you my nonsense, but that doesn't say rich people won't enter God's kingdom it states it will be hard. As are often times most tasks worth accomplishing.

Yes, but if the Christians sole purpose it to please God, and the bible is the divinely inspired word of God, then clearly God has some issues with rich people, as it will be more difficult to get into heaven. Russell Wilson is not attempting to please God with his huge fortune.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Yes, but if the Christians sole purpose it to please God, and the bible is the divinely inspired word of God, then clearly God has some issues with rich people, as it will be more difficult to get into heaven. Russell Wilson is not attempting to please God with his huge fortune.

Quit your arguing.  Listen.  Christians want to Cherry pick the bible to fit their needs.  They'll do what fits their lifestyle and quote it as scripture and claim everything else in the bible is left to interpretation and is voluntary.

[Man of Steel]

If they don't want to make it into heaven, then I guess they are allowed to be rich. But I guess they can still consider themselves a Christian, however it may be harder for them to get into heaven.

But if they want to make it into heaven, it will be difficult. It says it right there. Its the bible saying it. Not me.

So is it difficult to be rich and get into heaven or impossible to be rich and get into heaven?  You've said both here.

[Man of Steel]

Quit your arguing.  Listen.  Christians want to Cherry pick the bible to fit their needs.  They'll do what fits their lifestyle and quote it as scripture and claim everything else in the bible is left to interpretation and is voluntary.

Try and stay on topic.

[Al Doggity]

So is it difficult to be rich and get into heaven or impossible to be rich and get into heaven?  You've said both here.

He's putting together his latest Phil Heath fanboard collage while he types, so you can't expect him to make sense.

[SF1900]

So is it difficult to be rich and get into heaven or impossible to be rich and get into heaven?  You've said both here.

Well, the quote never specific delineates which one, but it sounds more like the latter.

However, Russell is making no attempts to curb his wealth. Greed rules him.

[Dave D]

Quit your arguing.  Listen.  Christians want to Cherry pick the bible to fit their needs.  They'll do what fits their lifestyle and quote it as scripture and claim everything else in the bible is left to interpretation and is voluntary.

Lol how is this different from any other people group?

"Cheery picking" laws and rules to fit an individual or groups needs isn't exclusive to Christianity, it happens every single day. If you've sped you've done this, taken a call/sent a text while driving (depending on the laws in your state) etc...

Church, government, business corporation, general public all do this.

Christians just make better hypocrites.

[Dave D]

Yes, but if the Christians sole purpose it to please God, and the bible is the divinely inspired word of God, then clearly God has some issues with rich people, as it will be more difficult to get into heaven. Russell Wilson is not attempting to please God with his huge fortune.

Valid point. For the record how do we, as getbiggers, define the term rich? According to the definition that was established here Wilson is merely comfortable, so he may be ok...

[SF1900]

Valid point. For the record how do we, as getbiggers, define the term rich? According to the definition that was established here Wilson is merely comfortable, so he may be ok...

No, Wilson is super wealthy.

Source:

SF, 1900 (2015). An alternative classification scheme to describe socioeconomic status. Journal of Getbig.com, 14, 150-190.

>$99,000 - homeless

$100,000 - $450,000 = poor

$450,000 - $750,000 = low middle class

$750,000 - $1,000,000 - middle class

$1,000,000 - $5,000,0000 = upper middle class

$5,000,000 - $50,000,000 = rich

$60,000,000+ = super wealthy

[Man of Steel]

Well, the quote never specific delineates which one, but it sounds more like the latter.

However, Russell is making no attempts to curb his wealth. Greed rules him.

What does the greater passage (this scripture is contained in) speak of?  What else does scripture say about money?

[SF1900]

What does the greater passage (this scripture is contained in) speak of?  What else does scripture say about money?

Oh boy, typical theist response. Matt Dillahunty talked about this ploy used by Christians. He said when he was a Christian he used to do it all the time. That is what makes Matt Dillahunty such a greater debater--he knows the bible practically better than most Christians (as he was one for like 25-30 years). Which is why many theists refuse to debate him.  

That is exactly what the statement says. No more, no less.

ps - there are many bible verses about money being the root cause of evil, and that greed and money are wrong. One bible verse even states that you cant have a relationship with god and money.

Its clear that Russell has quite the relationship with his fame and fortune.

[dr.chimps]

We need to get a Creflo Dollar Getbig account up and running. 

[Dave D]

We need to get a Creflo Dollar Getbig account up and running. 

LOL

[Dave D]

No, Wilson is super wealthy.

Source:

SF, 1900 (2015). An alternative classification scheme to describe socioeconomic status. Journal of Getbig.com, 14, 150-190.

>$99,000 - homeless

$100,000 - $450,000 = poor

$450,000 - $750,000 = low middle class

$750,000 - $1,000,000 - middle class

$1,000,000 - $5,000,0000 = upper middle class

$5,000,000 - $50,000,000 = rich

$60,000,000+ = super wealthy

Technically he hasn't received more than $50 million yet, he's "scheduled" to earn more but until he's actually gotten the money he is just rich.

[Man of Steel]

Oh boy, typical theist response. Matt Dillahunty talked about this ploy used by Christians. He said when he was a Christian he used to do it all the time. That is what makes Matt Dillahunty such a greater debater--he knows the bible practically better than most Christians (as he was one for like 25-30 years). Which is why many theists refuse to debate him. 

That is exactly what the statement says. No more, no less.

ps - there are many bible verses about money being the root cause of evil, and that greed and money are wrong. One bible verse even states that you cant have a relationship with god and money.

Its clear that Russell has quite the relationship with his fame and fortune.

The idea of appealing to the greater context that a small passage is contained in to help define meaning is an aspect of becoming a critical reader that is taught in elementary school.   

That said, how about we just stay on topic?

So, what does the greater passage (this scripture is contained in) speak of?  What else does scripture say about money?

 

[SF1900]

The idea of appealing to the greater context that a small passage is contained in to help define meaning is an aspect of becoming a critical reader that is taught in elementary school.   

That said, how about we just stay on topic?

So, what does the greater passage (this scripture is contained in) speak of?  What else does scripture say about money?

 

Yes, but that skill hardly applies to a book with a new and old testament, as well as MULTIPLE interpretations. Eventually, one just  has to laugh at it.

Ive already found 4 quotes in the bible that indicate that money is the root of all evil and that one cannot have a relationship with God and money.

It is quite clear that Russell has an overwhelming devotion and relationship to money.

[Man of Steel]

Yes, but that skill hardly applies to a book with a new and old testament, as well as MULTIPLE interpretations. Eventually, one just  has to laugh at it.

Ive already found 4 quotes in the bible that indicate that money is the root of all evil and that one cannot have a relationship with God and money.

It is quite clear that Russell has an overwhelming devotion and relationship to money.

Would you post those biblical quotes?

[dr.chimps]

Yes, but that skill hardly applies to a book with a new and old testament, as well as MULTIPLE interpretations. Eventually, one just  has to laugh at it.

Ive already found 4 quotes in the bible that indicate that money is the root of all evil and that one cannot have a relationship with God and money.

It is quite clear that Russell has an overwhelming devotion and relationship to money.

The want of money is the root of all evil, if I remember my quote correctly.  

[Man of Steel]

The want of money is the root of all evil, if I remember my quote correctly.   

The love of....

[Al Doggity]

The want of money is the root of all evil, if I remember my quote correctly.  

Yes, or more commonly the love of money. Which completely changes the meaning.  


Don't worry sf1900, I'll still respond to your pms. I guess you're just too much in my head  I also have to address you in this thread I started.

[SF1900]

Would you post those biblical quotes?

You don't know your own bible?   Matt Dillahunty can practically quote bible verses on the spot. Maybe you should read your bible and know as much of it as an atheist does.   Just type in bible and money.

Second, the whole idea about looking at in the context is dumb. This can apply to every passage in the bible. Epic contradictions all over the place. One part says this, another part says that. Thus, its almost impossible to accurately determine what your God wants. If God is the author of the bible, he is a pretty shitty author. He would definitely not win any awards for fiction. Can't make up his mind.

Its a favorite "argument" from theists. Always about the "context."