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Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« on: March 07, 2006, 10:18:07 AM »
I do abs 3-4 x week usually I do a combination of sets...

Decline sit-up holding a weight in front or on my chest and reaching forward.
Hip raises on a slant followed by knee-ins, and leg flutters.
The Roman chair with lifting knees/legs up or out and doing this to the sides too (sometimes with a barbell between my feet).
Planks and side planks (hold for 1 minute or more and repeat).
Crunches on the floor with legs up holding a medicine ball and reaching up toward my toes

I really focus on the movement and form and squeeze at he top of the effort, but these are getting too easy now, and I can't control/add much more weight resistance than I am using.

Tell me what your favorite moves are to blast the abs?  What other movements can I do to make it tougher, and that really target the abs well so I don't waste time with endless crunches or stupid machines?

How many sets should I do?

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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2006, 10:48:30 AM »
hanging leg raises, i do 4 sets of about 12-20
dip machine leg raises, another 4 sets
bench crunches 4 sets of 20
oblique bench crunches 4 sets of 20
then i do side crunches on the hyperextension machine 4 sets of 20
and regular crunches 4 sets max
 4 times a week

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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2006, 11:00:10 AM »
Sounds like you have a good abdominal foundation going. Good going. At this point, I would ease back a bit and maintain (1 good set at end of workout, or two) will easily do ya. This, along with a good regimine of back and leg exercises will keep your ab wall tight. If you need to lose weight, those abs will start to spring right out; if not, they should already be impressive. Overtraining them is, although good for the ego, a waste of time and energy - once you have got them, the additional sets add little. However, having gotten them to that 'drum' state, you will reap myriad benefits. $.02     

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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2006, 11:24:08 AM »
what would you say is more effective for losing inches off your waist? working abs or doing cardio?
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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2006, 11:26:27 AM »
cardio, your abs wont show until ur down to 12 percent body fat, if you want nice abs, watch your diet and increase cardio, dont expect to gain alot of size, it suxs but you have to choose one or the other

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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2006, 11:38:39 AM »
yeah that does suck...i dont want have crazy super abs...i eat clean but bulked up from it im about a 34" pants right now. I dont think i look bad but i don't do much cardio so im gettin into it alittle...i will try to start doing it in the mornings but i don't know if that will stick....yesterday i did 20 min of moderate cardio on the bike after my back/ab workout.
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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2006, 11:46:59 AM »
ya i try to do cardio 3 times a week but usually onlt get 2 intense sessions in, i work full time and go to school so i dont have much time, i think cardio 3 times a week is perfect 30 minutes at a good pace, i usualy do the stairs for 15-20 minutes than run or hit the eliptical for another 20, im trying to get bigger so im not to worried about being cut up, im 190, would like to get up to 215 so once i get there i think ill worry about cutting back down to like 200 and being a lil more cut up, but i have no desire to have 8 percent body fat, 11-12 is fine with me

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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2006, 11:48:36 AM »
jr yates, what would you say your body fat is, and do your pants fit tight or comfortable, cuz i wear a 34 but there loose i like em like that, i would say im a 32 naturally, is that bad?

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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2006, 11:51:27 AM »
no i don't think thats bad at all....i donno if i was to guess maybe 16%...its not that i have bodyfat...just i think my waist grew from doing heavy squats and deads maybe i donno...it doesn't look bad but i'd like to have it down alittle without losing my muscle mass.
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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2006, 11:54:23 AM »
ya same with me, ive noticed i have to but loose fit pants cuz regular fit wont go over my thighs, its a bitch to find pants but makes me feel good, i havent had my body fat tested for a while i wld say im probaly 13-15, a year ago i was down to about 9, but that was during wrestling season, i had alot  less muscle mass and strength, it just sucks that girls like skinny guys with no chest or back, but as long as they have abs they get the girls attention, however some girls seem to like bigger guys with some form

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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2006, 02:29:24 PM »


Decline sit-up holding a weight in front or on my chest and reaching forward.


Keeping the weight placed right on your chest is more effective...right on the chest, not slightly down on your stomach. If you hold the weight out as your doing, and from the sound of it you're using a bit of weight, it can cause pressure on the lower back and it can cause you to use momentum to get up once you get tired, in which case you are not using your ab muscles to pull yourself up.

To answer your question about how to add more weight to your ab exercises, I would start incorporating rope crunches. For the most part these hit the upper abs, but the lower does get a slight bit of secondary work. I think these are great for building up strength in the mid-section and are often an over-looked exercise today.


cardio, your abs wont show until ur down to 12 percent body fat, if you want nice abs, watch your diet and increase cardio, dont expect to gain alot of size, it suxs but you have to choose one or the other
Your right, bf% has to be low for abs to show and diet and cardio play the most important role in this, but your statement about how you have to be below 12% is inaccurate. The reason for this is that one guy may be below 12% bf, but if he is carrying the majority of his fat in his mid-section his abs will not show. Mine don't start sticking out good unless I'm around 8%bf any higher and they are very blurry.

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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2006, 02:40:10 PM »
ya i see what your saying ive just heard 12, id say 10 is a lil more accurate for most men, 8-12 percent body fat is very good for anybody tho, but i think if you really wanna get them abs lookin good, get down under 10 and ul look great for summer, but biy thats a bitch to do, at least for me

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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2006, 08:01:53 PM »
With regards to R-babe, you might want to hold the sets down to one each if your doing that five exercise ab cycle 3-4 times a week. In fact you probably could get away with just doing abs twice a week.

Different suggestions for ab exercises: Lying down (floor, bench, back seat of a '89 Ford..whatever) in the usually crunch position, hold a light BB overhead as if you were to do a BP. As you preform the crunch (or even a higher range of motion) movement keep the bar up and over the head at all times, not forward which you may tend to do. You can also do this with the bar (or DB) behind you head, at the start, as if you were going to do a BB pullover, keeping the bar at arm's length throughout the exercise. You could do these with a medicine ball also, which can be rather heavy at first.

Those Ab wheels at WalMart, or just about every where else, which most people think are just a toy, are very effective when working the total ab wall (upper/lower and even the obliques to a certain degree). Can be a serious tool for a heavy result producing ab workout. After gaining strength with it you can put your feet on a chair or bench to give added resistence.

Working ab's or cardio to lose inches: might try lowering the carbs to get rid of that layer of fat that covers the muscles themselves. Good Luck.


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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2006, 01:24:00 PM »
Different suggestions for ab exercises: Lying down (floor, bench, back seat of a '89 Ford..  -----Antiques are good-- LOL  :o

 in the usually crunch position, hold a light BB overhead as if you were to do a BP. As you preform the crunch (or even a higher range of motion) movement keep the bar up and over the head at all times, not forward which you may tend to do. You can also do this with the bar (or DB) behind you head, at the start, as if you were going to do a BB pullover, keeping the bar at arm's length throughout the exercise. You could do these with a medicine ball also, which can be rather heavy at first.

Those Ab wheels at WalMart, or just about every where else, which most people think are just a toy, are very effective when working the total ab wall (upper/lower and even the obliques to a certain degree). Can be a serious tool for a heavy result producing ab workout. After gaining strength with it you can put your feet on a chair or bench to give added resistence.

Working ab's or cardio to lose inches: might try lowering the carbs to get rid of that layer of fat that covers the muscles themselves. Good Luck.

Thanks---

JPM you always come through with good info--

Dumb question-- I do DB pullovers-- and understand the start/hand position of this --but obviously I don't sit up for those -- so for this when I sit up with the bar or barbell --am I keeping my elbows straight but slighly rounded/bent with the purpose of reaching my feet with the weight and have it over my head the whole time.--or am I now lowering the weight to the same plane of my body with straight arms as I bend/reach forward...? Or is what I just asked totally incomprehensible.. ? LOL

Aha, she said, emphatically---Yep--after I saw your post I realized I actually HAD an ab wheel now buried in a hall closet in a box in the corner in the dark----so I will dig it out and try it. 

**** AB FAT-- Heavens...who has that? --LOL  Don't ask-- Don't tell!

Keeping the weight placed right on your chest is more effective...right on the chest, not slightly down on your stomach.

To answer your question about how to add more weight to your ab exercises, I would start incorporating rope crunches. For the most part these hit the upper abs, but the lower does get a slight bit of secondary work. I think these are great for building up strength in the mid-section and are often an over-looked exercise today.

Thanks Arnold, Jr--I hadn't noticed any pressure on my back, thankfully, as of yet--and these definitely do burn me in the abs.. but.. I will modify the weight position and see if there's a difference. I really try to focus on using the abs when I'm sitting up, not using momentum--even if I can get less reps but all of quality. I also do rollups and other V-sits in Pilates so my back is pretty flexible and very strong.

GREAT SUGGESTION! I like the idea of rope crunches--I 've watched others who do these but never tried them-- and  I'll look for a link that shows the precise form, but two questions I have are--- should I go heavy or lighter on the weight? I heard/read somewhere that using too heavy weight makes your abs/stomach  (if visible under any fat) bulge out-- ?! ??? Does this movement not also enlist the back muscles with the crunch?


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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2006, 02:32:08 PM »
Rope crunches can be difficult for some to do with good form. I don't see a lot of people doing these anymore, but the ones who do have terrible form.

Keep your abs tight through the entire movement, concentrate on not letting them protrude out, just as you should do when squatting or doing leg presses. Minimize arm involvement. If you are having to pull very hard with your arms then you are using too much weight...your arms should be mere hooks, but once you reach the bottom of the movement slightly pull your elbows in towards your stomach in a smooth controlled manner and contract your abs even harder.

Just as with any weighted ab exercise, if you continually work with weight that is extremely heavy you do run the risk of your abs protruding more then is desirable. A lot of guys build great abs with bodyweight movements only, but since ab strength is what you are after, I think these will help. Again, just keep the weight at a comfortable level and you should be fine...there is no need to do the stack when rope crunching, guys who do this are trying to show boat, but come on, it's rope crunches, is anyone going to be impressed with the amount of weight you use? I doubt it.

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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2006, 02:53:41 PM »
R-babe: You really have given me a challenge because I'm not quite sure what you question is......I know it's the stupid male thing again....I'm praying for guidence here.

Abs from the straigh arm pullover position: For the most part you keep the arms straight and keep them and the BB/DB in line with the body throughtout the situp. That would mean in line with your head and the rest of your body. May want to do this one with the hands clasped together rather than using a BB/DB at first, may need some getting use to before you can add weight. I'm sure your feet are outstanding but reaching for them is not required in this exercise. When at home and you want to reach for your feet in a unguarded moment, than go right ahead.

A lot of  people do have secrets buried in their closets so I'm glad you found your long forgetten ab wheel there. I'm sure it has low mileage and is ready to be used. Good Luck.

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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2006, 08:56:02 AM »
R-babe: You really have given me a challenge because I'm not quite sure what your question is......I know it's the stupid male thing again....I'm praying for guidence here.

Abs from the straight arm pullover position: For the most part you keep the arms straight and keep them and the BB/DB in line with the body throughout the situp. That would mean in line with your head and the rest of your body.

I guess you stepped up to the challenge, JPM, because my REAL question hidden in those male-mind-boggling statements WAS ...Do I drop my arms and bring the weight down (to my footsies) as I situp or maintain the weight above (aligned and parallel).   So, from your answer--I get it!

BTW, you should go into mind-reading-- there's probably more $$ there...than personal training-- Yes, I can almost predict it! LOL

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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2006, 09:02:12 AM »
The ball is a great ab workout too + it allows you to flirt w/ the honeys in the aerobic room.
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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2006, 10:50:44 AM »
The ball is a great ab workout too + it allows you to flirt w/ the honeys in the aerobic room.
haha i agree!
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Re: Most Effective Exercises for Abs
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2006, 07:26:14 PM »
gravity situps .. (upside down)
legraises..
12 kg medicine ball throw situps..i sit hangin off the edge of a horizanta yperextension machine.. and someone tosses a 12 kg medicine ballto me over my head so i have to stretch to catch it goind back all the way down touchin the floor and comin back up throwin the ball back
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