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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2015, 10:10:43 AM »
great stories ESF......epic

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2015, 10:23:10 AM »
Most girls I know between 20-30 either snort, smoke or main line H nightly. WTF?

Don't you live in Vegas?  That might explain a lot about the women you "know"

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2015, 04:16:55 PM »
Im off now. About every other day ill take about a mg of suboxone (36hr halfnlife) butbthats it. I remember the withdrawal from nubain being worse than black. Even if i wanted to still use, i couldnt. I have no where to shoot. Did my first shot of Test yesterday in about 3 weeks (750 milligrams cypionate and did another 750 today)... attempted a little bit of a workout last nightbut without any anDrogens in my system, the motivation just wasn't quite thereso today I'Ll go at it again with 100 milligrams anavar and 125 milligrams Dianabol in me along with a milligram of methyltrienolone... Plus the 12iu of slin has me eating a good bit more. Gonna make a run for 250 by xmas.

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2015, 04:19:19 PM »
Your first real opiate withdrawal experience always seems to be the worst. First time I ray out of oxy back in January 2010 it kicked my ass like nothing else. Not enough to learn my lesson, though.

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2015, 10:44:59 PM »
New Bern withdrawal was just a different animal altogether being an opiate agonist/antagonisttramadol ultram withdrawal was pretty s***** aswellconsidering it's a pretty city painkillerhello however its action on 12 or 14 different mechanisms in the brain make withdrawl a little bit more complicated....my issue with bthwas more of a money thing being able to afford itadded to the problem and just prolong the addiction. sorry about if any of this doesn't make much sense using voice text and too lazy to proofread before I hit post

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2015, 10:58:56 PM »
Don't you live in Vegas?  That might explain a lot about the women you "know"

I live in San Francisco. I am often in Las Vegas with work. I do not like radishes.
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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2015, 02:24:36 AM »
Thank fuck I'm afraid to take a xanax even. Oh ill take any anabolics in the world, peptides and ancillaries. But I wouldn't touch a valium or xanax. Meant to be seriously addictive. Pal of mine is a former heroin addict, on methadone now. He ruined his life in his twenties with heroin

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2015, 03:34:55 AM »
New Bern withdrawal was just a different animal altogether being an opiate agonist/antagonisttramadol ultram withdrawal was pretty s***** aswellconsidering it's a pretty city painkillerhello however its action on 12 or 14 different mechanisms in the brain make withdrawl a little bit more complicated....my issue with bthwas more of a money thing being able to afford itadded to the problem and just prolong the addiction. sorry about if any of this doesn't make much sense using voice text and too lazy to proofread before I hit post
Dude,you should hit detox,then a rehab,then a halfway house,then NA meetings ................those are the things that helped me immensely.

Of course I had the desire to quit as my life was a nightmare,but yours sounds much worse.

Good luck bro,I mean that sincerely..........nobod y should just exist............start living again.

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2015, 10:18:10 AM »
Jesus ESF you are a crazy fucker. Back in the day I was able to get those blue 80 mg oxies. They became my life for about a year. I spent so much fucking money it was crazy. In the beginning I could take a tiny little piece of the 80 snort it and feel magical all day. It was the most intense euphoria you could ever imagine. I loved my life when I had oxies it was beautiful. Training was amazing sex was amazing work was amazing everyone was amazing.

A year later your life is destroyed. Every one hates you because you have become a junky loser. You need to mainline every couple hours. You look like shit. Life just becomes bad. It's a nightmare. Your tolerance skyrockets. The shit was just so expensive. I had to resort to buying methadone wafers from people.

The thing that really bothered was the people I would tolerate hanging out with. Scum bag rednecks, white trash, dirty Mexicans, ghetto shit head blacks. All for a drug. I use to have people in my car with me going to score people I would never be caught dead with. I turned into such a loser.

When I think about my life now I appreciate so much. Having a loving wife a great family a job a healthy body. I'm lucky to have pulled out of that hell hole.

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2015, 10:21:43 AM »
Jesus ESF you are a crazy fucker. Back in the day I was able to get those blue 80 mg oxies. They became my life for about a year. I spent so much fucking money it was crazy. In the beginning I could take a tiny little piece of the 80 snort it and feel magical all day. It was the most intense euphoria you could ever imagine. I loved my life when I had oxies it was beautiful. Training was amazing sex was amazing work was amazing everyone was amazing.

A year later your life is destroyed. Every one hates you because you have become a junky loser. You need to mainline every couple hours. You look like shit. Life just becomes bad. It's a nightmare. Your tolerance skyrockets. The shit was just so expensive. I had to resort to buying methadone wafers from people.

The thing that really bothered was the people I would tolerate hanging out with. Scum bag rednecks, white trash, dirty Mexicans, ghetto shit head blacks. All for a drug. I use to have people in my car with me going to score people I would never be caught dead with. I turned into such a loser.

When I think about my life now I appreciate so much. Having a loving wife a great family a job a healthy body. I'm lucky to have pulled out of that hell hole.

What got you started on it?

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2015, 10:25:13 AM »
What got you started on it?

He read a Howard thread

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2015, 10:45:42 AM »
When I was around 20 my buddies step dad use to sell us vicoden for .50 cents a piece. I would get sandwich bag full of them after I tried them a few times I fell in love. I loved the effects from opiates. To me it was better than anything. It destroyed my anxiety made me feel so warm and good. I loved the feeling. I would lay off them for awhile take breaks. Once I tried oxies and had access to them all the time I was screwed.

I had a circle of firends, guys I grew up with that were doing the same things as me. We were all kind of into it together. One of my buddies got connected he would get whole scripts from people and sell them. It was always around. My whole town was filled with young junkies.

This went on and off for a couple years. When I was in college away from my hometown Hebrews on the team would bring scripts back from the city. Oxies percs vikes xanax. Half the team was hooked. We would get pilled up drink and party all weekend. It was really fun at times but it just doesn't last or end well.

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2015, 10:57:21 AM »
It all really got bad the last 8-12 months of my binging. I was ripping people off my family new what I was up to. I was living at home. I hated letting my family down it was such an internal struggle everyday. Tolerance got so high. Everyday it was my mission to just not be sick. I finally had enough and went to a doctor. Gut put on suboxone. I never od or ended up homeless I just new my run was up. I couldn't keep it up any more. I always maintained a job. I continued to lift and stay somewhat in shape. Having a good family around me was my saving grace. 90 percent of my buddies got clean too. We were all from good homes.

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2015, 11:01:39 AM »
I can tell some horror stories as well, but in my case I jumped right into 80mg oxys; prior to that no hard drug experience. Safe to say I fell in love fast.

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2015, 11:14:24 AM »
I can tell some horror stories as well, but in my case I jumped right into 80mg oxys; prior to that no hard drug experience. Safe to say I fell in love fast.

I actually had a dream last night I had some in a drawer. I was going to mainline them. I was so excited. When I realized it was just a dream in my dream I was broken hearted.

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2015, 11:15:33 AM »
Haha, I hate those dreams man I hear ya. The dream always ends right as you are getting ready to snort/fix up/etc.

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #41 on: October 28, 2015, 01:53:19 PM »
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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #42 on: October 28, 2015, 02:53:40 PM »
Your first real opiate withdrawal experience always seems to be the worst. First time I ray out of oxy back in January 2010 it kicked my ass like nothing else. Not enough to learn my lesson, though.

Oh, shit, Norco here. Wasn't aware of withdrawals, and didn't even know I was hooked. Script ran out, didn't even think about it. Woke up in hell the next day.

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #43 on: October 28, 2015, 11:14:29 PM »
have degenerated discs in my c spine, compressed discs in my tspine and bulging discs in my lumbar so was using ultram for 2-3yrs... 8 per day at the start, then tapered down to 3 per day.... until they scheduled it and i had to go to the dr to get the script renewed instead of just refilling it every 2 months online.

dr would only write a script for 3 weeks worth, then scheduling a new apt was a pain in the ass and i'd be out for a few days to a week or two.

then got a call from a customer saying his (crackhead) gf had some diluadid (she didn't even know what they were.. she stole them... about 1000 of them from a cancer patient) and asked if i knew of anybody who'd want them.. at first i said 'nah, i have no idea'... then i thought.. hey wait, sure i'll try some. so i got about 30 or so 2mg pills.. which when taken orally didn't do shit. and i'm not into sniffing boatloads of powder, so i started crushing them up, mixxing with water filtering and shooting it IV... eventually i was bangin 20-30mg/day and paying peanuts for them... until the supply ran out.

the guys gf says she has some morphine tabs... but from my research, i know they're impossible to melt down/dissolve and bang iv, but she says "all her herion friends beg for them when they can't get herion"... this was around the time Phillip Seymore Hofman OD'd on H, so i told her "well, go find your herion friends and get me some heroin instead"... her being a crackhead, took advantage of my ignorance of pricing.. i was expecting to pay 100/g but quickly went up to 150-200/g... and at first 80mg would make me nod a little, but the 'rush' was nothing like what you see in movies and nothing compared to the diluadid. but then i found a better hookup and after a while i was doing 500-700mg per shot IV.

had i been able to maintain a steady supply of 3 ultram/day without interruption, i'd never have considered using anything else. but the piece of shit doctor just wanted to bill the fuck outta my insurance... writing scripts for $90 "topical ibuprofen cream" and $900 MRI's on my neck/back when i'd JUST HAD 5 fuckin MRI's on my spine less than a year earlier.

luckily i found a dr who accepted insurance that perscribed suboxone... most doc's who perscribe suboxone ONLY accept cash up front.. usually $800+ the price of the suboxone.

only experienced what's called "precipitated withdrawals" once... that's when you take suboxone too soon after using an opiate, and the suboxone "knocks off" all other opiates off the receptors and you get what's usually 3 days of withdrawal condensed into 1 hour.. i was back at the dealer as quick as i could and banged 1.5g straight away just to kill the withdrawal... and waited 24hrs before starting back on the suboxone again.

to come off black, you gotta get a decent supply of xanax, catapres, and suboxone/subutex... it's much easier to do 1 last shot of black at like 7pm, then take your xanax with a couple shots of vodka and catapress at night.. wake up, take another xanax and wait as long as you can past noon before you take your suboxone. first 24hrs are bad... but if you make it 3 days, you're set.. as far as physical withdrawal.. then you gotta deal with PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrom)... where everything in your life just sucks and you're bored. i didn't know what do do with myself. when i had nothing to do, in the past i'd do a shot and eat (opiates made me hungry all the time) and feel content... without the opiates, it was impossible to feel content.. hence the xanax to keep from climbing the walls and whatnot...  for me, it was easier to think of the money i'd spent and how i could be driving an 02 911 Turbo right now.

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2015, 11:18:11 PM »
Xanax works for WDs, since you sleep through it. Catapress is underrated too since many WD symptoms are a direct result of the high blood pressure WDs cause.

I also had success with large doses of neurontin (gabapentin).

And I've had precipitated withdrawal once before. That shit literally dropped me wehre I stood, i have no idea how you were able to drive and score in that condition.

Good times.

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2015, 02:34:52 AM »
have degenerated discs in my c spine, compressed discs in my tspine and bulging discs in my lumbar so was using ultram for 2-3yrs... 8 per day at the start, then tapered down to 3 per day.... until they scheduled it and i had to go to the dr to get the script renewed instead of just refilling it every 2 months online.

dr would only write a script for 3 weeks worth, then scheduling a new apt was a pain in the ass and i'd be out for a few days to a week or two.

then got a call from a customer saying his (crackhead) gf had some diluadid (she didn't even know what they were.. she stole them... about 1000 of them from a cancer patient) and asked if i knew of anybody who'd want them.. at first i said 'nah, i have no idea'... then i thought.. hey wait, sure i'll try some. so i got about 30 or so 2mg pills.. which when taken orally didn't do shit. and i'm not into sniffing boatloads of powder, so i started crushing them up, mixxing with water filtering and shooting it IV... eventually i was bangin 20-30mg/day and paying peanuts for them... until the supply ran out.

the guys gf says she has some morphine tabs... but from my research, i know they're impossible to melt down/dissolve and bang iv, but she says "all her herion friends beg for them when they can't get herion"... this was around the time Phillip Seymore Hofman OD'd on H, so i told her "well, go find your herion friends and get me some heroin instead"... her being a crackhead, took advantage of my ignorance of pricing.. i was expecting to pay 100/g but quickly went up to 150-200/g... and at first 80mg would make me nod a little, but the 'rush' was nothing like what you see in movies and nothing compared to the diluadid. but then i found a better hookup and after a while i was doing 500-700mg per shot IV.

had i been able to maintain a steady supply of 3 ultram/day without interruption, i'd never have considered using anything else. but the piece of shit doctor just wanted to bill the fuck outta my insurance... writing scripts for $90 "topical ibuprofen cream" and $900 MRI's on my neck/back when i'd JUST HAD 5 fuckin MRI's on my spine less than a year earlier.

luckily i found a dr who accepted insurance that perscribed suboxone... most doc's who perscribe suboxone ONLY accept cash up front.. usually $800+ the price of the suboxone.

only experienced what's called "precipitated withdrawals" once... that's when you take suboxone too soon after using an opiate, and the suboxone "knocks off" all other opiates off the receptors and you get what's usually 3 days of withdrawal condensed into 1 hour.. i was back at the dealer as quick as i could and banged 1.5g straight away just to kill the withdrawal... and waited 24hrs before starting back on the suboxone again.

to come off black, you gotta get a decent supply of xanax, catapres, and suboxone/subutex... it's much easier to do 1 last shot of black at like 7pm, then take your xanax with a couple shots of vodka and catapress at night.. wake up, take another xanax and wait as long as you can past noon before you take your suboxone. first 24hrs are bad... but if you make it 3 days, you're set.. as far as physical withdrawal.. then you gotta deal with PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrom)... where everything in your life just sucks and you're bored. i didn't know what do do with myself. when i had nothing to do, in the past i'd do a shot and eat (opiates made me hungry all the time) and feel content... without the opiates, it was impossible to feel content.. hence the xanax to keep from climbing the walls and whatnot...  for me, it was easier to think of the money i'd spent and how i could be driving an 02 911 Turbo right now.
Jesus....these stories are nuts. All bullshit here aside - I hope you pull through this fully.

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2015, 05:05:10 AM »
Most girls I know between 20-30 either snort, smoke or main line H nightly. WTF?

What kind of dregs of society do you hang out with?

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2015, 06:51:42 AM »
I live in San Francisco. I am often in Las Vegas with work. I do not like radishes.

You live in SF and have Freddy Mercury as your avi.  I assume you've some out of the closet already?

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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2015, 09:00:50 AM »
You live in SF and have Freddy Mercury as your avi.  I assume you've some out of the closet already?

 ;D Dear, we've already had this little talk. Now hush your sassy mouth and go to the gym.
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Re: Middle aged women and heroin
« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2015, 09:09:22 AM »
still ran minimal doses.. sporadic training... maybe 500mg-1g/wk. maintained about 225-230.. often went months with maybe 1 workout. still had abs, delts and whatnot. everytime i wound up inthe hospital the nurses/dr's would mention something like "how the fuck do you look like this and use heroin?" "you must workout every day"... i'd chuckle. usually would up in the er because of an infection. the cellulitis in my lower legs that turned into sepsis a year ago never really healed until recently.

i kicked back in july using suboxone... couple female clients actually went looking for me and had vague idea of where i lived (nobody had heard from me for about 5 days and when i'd answer the phone they could tell something was really wrong)... showed up in my bedroom and found me extrememely dehydrated and took me to the ER. was clean for a while.. then relapsed. during relapse i resumed training and got back to 235ish and lean fairly quickly.. using about 1g test/wk and 100mg anavar 100mg dbol on training days (about 3 days a week).

then kicked again recently... a week ago thursday actually... buddy of mine gave me a stimulant to "distract me" from the opiate withdrawal and i likely suffered a minor heart attack friday night/sat morning. (according to my 3rd yr med student gf whom i'd reconciled with a couple months ago... she was with me that saturday and was timing chest pains radiating to arm... shortness of breath, ect... but i refused to go to the ER)... traininging on opiates is actaully fine. it's just business that really got in the way of my training... plus i just lost motivation.

now, training without opiates is taking some getting used to. opiates are warm and comforting. take that away and it feels like there's something "missing" and that feeling is what sucks, once you get past the physical withdrawal.

plus, for the past couple weeks i've been dealing with kidney stones... last 2 mornings waking up writhing in pain with gf telling me to go to the ER... but i know when i go they're not gonna be able to get an IV started (the reason i quit this time is because i have no more usable veins).  before kicking the first time, i was inthe ER with 2 dr's 2 nurses and a phelmbotomist using 2 ultrasound machines trying to find a vein to draw blood or start an iv... took them 5 hours. only dr's are allowed to use neck veins for iv/blooddraw and they couldn't find any that were useable. (all collapsed or scarred... even neck and armpits).


so... this time, i'll be going back on 100%. probably a couple months of 5g test plus some chinese gh at 5-10iu... depending on what brand. hell, after thinking nothing of spending $120/day on black tar, i still have a hard time pulling the trigger on a $200 gh kit. lol

business is picking up after a dip and i have a cartel investor wanting to put some money in.
Dude, question for you?...whats the difference between Suboxone and Methadone?...I notice a lot of my clients who take H prefer to kick with Suboxone