Middle aged women (and bodybuilders) and heroin

[Nether Animal]

Methadone builds up in your system, they start you on a lower dose and up it every day until you feel OK. Plus you have to go to a clinic to dose, if you are consistent you get 'take homes' so you don't have to commute. Also, since it builds up in your system you can miss a dose or two before you start to feel WDs, so that is a fail safe.

Suboxone works instantly, and I had more success with this. You let it dissolve under your tongue and it kicks in and you are good to go for the day. Problem with these are they taste like absolute shit, and they are a hassle to get prescribed from what I understand. I would always have a few on hand for a rainy day.

The withdrawal from methadone is much, much worse than suboxone. Both suck because they have a longer half-life (compared to dope WDs it is more mild but prolonged), but I'd rather kick subs over methadone. Hell I'd rather kick gear over methadone. Yeah it sucks but just medicate yourself heavily and the worst of it is over in 3-4 days.

HTH..

[andreisdaman]

Methadone builds up in your system, they start you on a lower dose and up it every day until you feel OK. Plus you have to go to a clinic to dose, if you are consistent you get 'take homes' so you don't have to commute. Also, since it builds up in your system you can miss a dose or two before you start to feel WDs, so that is a fail safe.

Suboxone works instantly, and I had more success with this. You let it dissolve under your tongue and it kicks in and you are good to go for the day. Problem with these are they taste like absolute shit, and they are a hassle to get prescribed from what I understand. I would always have a few on hand for a rainy day.

The withdrawal from methadone is much, much worse than suboxone. Both suck because they have a longer half-life (compared to dope WDs it is more mild but prolonged), but I'd rather kick subs over methadone. Hell I'd rather kick gear over methadone. Yeah it sucks but just medicate yourself heavily and the worst of it is over in 3-4 days.

HTH..

LOL ..funny quote.......and you are right about Suboxone being a pain in the ass to acquire...doctors have to have a special license to prescribe it.....(I still don't understand why)....I thought maybe Suboxone gave you a "substitute high" and thats why all the addicts seem to want it....but I guess I was wrong based on your above statements.

[Nether Animal]

Sorry that was confusing I forgot I was on a BB board. Gear = her0n.

Um, opiate naive people can get wrecked on subs, but I never got anything of the sort. Just set me straight, no buzz whatsoever.

[The Ugly]

have degenerated discs in my c spine, compressed discs in my tspine and bulging discs in my lumbar so was using ultram for 2-3yrs... 8 per day at the start, then tapered down to 3 per day.... until they scheduled it and i had to go to the dr to get the script renewed instead of just refilling it every 2 months online.

dr would only write a script for 3 weeks worth, then scheduling a new apt was a pain in the ass and i'd be out for a few days to a week or two.

then got a call from a customer saying his (crackhead) gf had some diluadid (she didn't even know what they were.. she stole them... about 1000 of them from a cancer patient) and asked if i knew of anybody who'd want them.. at first i said 'nah, i have no idea'... then i thought.. hey wait, sure i'll try some. so i got about 30 or so 2mg pills.. which when taken orally didn't do shit. and i'm not into sniffing boatloads of powder, so i started crushing them up, mixxing with water filtering and shooting it IV... eventually i was bangin 20-30mg/day and paying peanuts for them... until the supply ran out.

the guys gf says she has some morphine tabs... but from my research, i know they're impossible to melt down/dissolve and bang iv, but she says "all her herion friends beg for them when they can't get herion"... this was around the time Phillip Seymore Hofman OD'd on H, so i told her "well, go find your herion friends and get me some heroin instead"... her being a crackhead, took advantage of my ignorance of pricing.. i was expecting to pay 100/g but quickly went up to 150-200/g... and at first 80mg would make me nod a little, but the 'rush' was nothing like what you see in movies and nothing compared to the diluadid. but then i found a better hookup and after a while i was doing 500-700mg per shot IV.

had i been able to maintain a steady supply of 3 ultram/day without interruption, i'd never have considered using anything else. but the piece of shit doctor just wanted to bill the fuck outta my insurance... writing scripts for $90 "topical ibuprofen cream" and $900 MRI's on my neck/back when i'd JUST HAD 5 fuckin MRI's on my spine less than a year earlier.

luckily i found a dr who accepted insurance that perscribed suboxone... most doc's who perscribe suboxone ONLY accept cash up front.. usually $800+ the price of the suboxone.

only experienced what's called "precipitated withdrawals" once... that's when you take suboxone too soon after using an opiate, and the suboxone "knocks off" all other opiates off the receptors and you get what's usually 3 days of withdrawal condensed into 1 hour.. i was back at the dealer as quick as i could and banged 1.5g straight away just to kill the withdrawal... and waited 24hrs before starting back on the suboxone again.

to come off black, you gotta get a decent supply of xanax, catapres, and suboxone/subutex... it's much easier to do 1 last shot of black at like 7pm, then take your xanax with a couple shots of vodka and catapress at night.. wake up, take another xanax and wait as long as you can past noon before you take your suboxone. first 24hrs are bad... but if you make it 3 days, you're set.. as far as physical withdrawal.. then you gotta deal with PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrom)... where everything in your life just sucks and you're bored. i didn't know what do do with myself. when i had nothing to do, in the past i'd do a shot and eat (opiates made me hungry all the time) and feel content... without the opiates, it was impossible to feel content.. hence the xanax to keep from climbing the walls and whatnot...  for me, it was easier to think of the money i'd spent and how i could be driving an 02 911 Turbo right now.

Awesome.

[wes]

I actually had a dream last night I had some in a drawer. I was going to mainline them. I was so excited. When I realized it was just a dream in my dream I was broken hearted.

Congrats on getting clean bro,not an easy task as you know........big props,keep on enjoying your sober life.

[wes]

Methadone builds up in your system, they start you on a lower dose and up it every day until you feel OK. Plus you have to go to a clinic to dose, if you are consistent you get 'take homes' so you don't have to commute. Also, since it builds up in your system you can miss a dose or two before you start to feel WDs, so that is a fail safe.

Suboxone works instantly, and I had more success with this. You let it dissolve under your tongue and it kicks in and you are good to go for the day. Problem with these are they taste like absolute shit, and they are a hassle to get prescribed from what I understand. I would always have a few on hand for a rainy day.

The withdrawal from methadone is much, much worse than suboxone. Both suck because they have a longer half-life (compared to dope WDs it is more mild but prolonged), but I'd rather kick subs over methadone. Hell I'd rather kick gear over methadone. Yeah it sucks but just medicate yourself heavily and the worst of it is over in 3-4 days.

HTH..

When I was a young kid,this black kid I hung out withs mother had a bottle of an orange liquid in the fridge.


I asked my buddy what it was and he told me it was Methadone.............th is was way back in the late 1960`s.......I`m assuming they didn`t invent the wafers yet at that time.


My cousin had a $700.00 a day heroin habit,she robbed and fucked anyone for a fix for many years,and turned into a rat for the cops................brok en jaw was just one of her rewards for dropping a dime on people.


Fuck that noise,you have nothing going for you even if you begin or call yourself a casual loser as it always progresses,and never lessens.

[Nether Animal]

Amen wes, wasted most of my 20s living an ALL DRUGS lifestyle, and I've never once geared up so you know where I'm going with that.

I'm 28, time to shape up cuz it isn't too late.

The game aint over

The sun is shining

... and it ain't over

[wes]

Amen wes, wasted most of my 20s living an ALL DRUGS lifestyle, and I've never once geared up so you know where I'm going with that.

I'm 28, time to shape up cuz it isn't too late.

The game aint over

The sun is shining

... and it ain't over

It`s never over brother,only if you totally give up on yourself.


I used to get drunk and high daily for 33 years off and on.............WTF was I thinking


Hang in, and stay strong and live well dude!   

[Big Chiro Flex]

best thread on GB in a long time.

Hoping all you bros pull through. 

but keep posting stories

[MAXX]

single women get depressed when they're not attracting men as much as they used to. so they turn to drugs...

[tommywishbone]

Nice work ESF. Real nice.

Heroin is the beast.

Life has taken me down many long strange streets. Heroin has often been there- luckily I never turned and walked down that particular street. Many friends did. Several enemies did as well. Alcohol, nicotine, meth, coke... sure they can be tough to beat. Heroin laughs at those drugs.

Heroin's the beast.  

The biggest problem I had with heroin was it's ridiculously steep dose/response curve. A little too much heroin is way too much heroin. Which thankfully is the reason I tried heroin about four times. Waking up in a tub packed with ice and then throwing up fifty-six times isn't my idea of a good party.

[illuminati]

Some hard hitting horror stories in this thread.
They should be enough to put anyone off trying Heroin.

Well done & good luck to those off H & those getting off.

I'm very glad I never went down that road.

[Submissionfytr]

Coming off Roxys now... Been prescribed for over a year now, made decision myself to get off, I know it's going to be ugly for while, but anyone know how long the PAWS will be on a 200-300 mg daily dose? This thread gives me a lot of respect for some members and more desire to get through this...

[spiro]

Coming off Roxys now... Been prescribed for over a year now, made decision myself to get off, I know it's going to be ugly for while, but anyone know how long the PAWS will be on a 200-300 mg daily dose? This thread gives me a lot of respect for some members and more desire to get through this...

I kicked oxies before using something less potent short half life. I would get around 30 vicoden and use them to just take the edge off. Space them out over 10-14 days last few days just take a half. After that in would get some real good bud. Real high quality. Take a small hit here and there. Gets you through the paws. No doctor will ever tell you to do that but it works.

[Raymondo]

I kicked oxies before using something less potent short half life. I would get around 30 vicoden and use them to just take the edge off. Space them out over 10-14 days last few days just take a half. After that in would get some real good bud. Real high quality. Take a small hit here and there. Gets you through the paws. No doctor will ever tell you to do that but it works.

Yep. Take drugs to withdraw from drugs. Make sense. If only doctors knew this.

[Nether Animal]

I agree that you shouldn't jump off straight to nothing like that. Either lower the dose over time or find a weaker substitute to take the edge off for the interim. There are some OTC medications that help, if you truly have no other recourse. Try loperamide (immodium). Take a high dose of it, like 20-30 pills. Loperamide is an opiate and it will seriously eliminate most WD symptoms in a high enough dose. Most doctors will give you a hard time about prescribing any narcotics if you explain that you are trying to kick the habit, BUT most will prescribe catapress to help. This is a blood pressure drug and it helps because many of the worst WD symptoms are a direct result of the high blood pressure you get while kicking. Other drugs you might have laying around that you didn't know could help are trazadone/remeron/seroquel for sleep, and tramadol is a weaker painkiller that takes most of the edge off as well. Also see if you can get neurontin/gabapentin/lyrica. In a moderate dose this takes care of all symptoms. I'm not suggesting benzos if you are past the acute period.

I'm not saying pick up another habit as alluded to by Raymondo, and note that some of the recommendations I made are still opiates, but nowhere in the league of even vicodin, let alone roxy. The point is weaning yourself off so that you actually stick to it.

[spiro]

Hey it works. You need some will power though. It worked for me and several others I know.

[robcguns]

Most girls I know between 20-30 either snort, smoke or main line H nightly. WTF?

I think u need to find some new girls.thats fucked up.

[NelsonMuntz]

Dude,you should hit detox,then a rehab,then a halfway house,then NA meetings ................those are the things that helped me immensely.

Of course I had the desire to quit as my life was a nightmare,but yours sounds much worse.

Good luck bro,I mean that sincerely..........nobod y should just exist............start living again.

Yep x100

[hipolito mejia]

I think u need to find some new girls.thats fucked up.

This .

[Van_Bilderass]

Yep. Take drugs to withdraw from drugs. Make sense. If only doctors knew this.

Docs know the chances of someone with a long term habit getting off and staying off is ridiculously low so they just put them on substitution treatment (methadone etc). And the ones who succeed are likely still on some prescribed psych drugs for life even if not narcotics.

Docs prescribe drugs, that's their job 

[Raymondo]

Docs know the chances of someone with a long term habit getting off and staying off is ridiculously low so they just put them on substitution treatment (methadone etc). And the ones who succeed are likely still on some prescribed psych drugs for life even if not narcotics.

Docs prescribe drugs, that's their job  

I meant rec drugs- where I live we call the other kind medication

If drugs were legal, then prescribing heroin to quit heroin would be a more sensible approach. With controlled purity levels, withdrawing would be a simple matter of tapering the dose. When they put you on methadone you stay on it for the long term.

[andreisdaman]

I meant rec drugs- where I live we call the other kind medication

If drugs were legal, then prescribing heroin to quit heroin would be a more sensible approach. With controlled purity levels, withdrawing would be a simple matter of tapering the dose. When they put you on methadone you stay on it for the long term.

you might be on to something

[Van_Bilderass]

I meant rec drugs- where I live we call the other kind medication

If drugs were legal, then prescribing heroin to quit heroin would be a more sensible approach. With controlled purity levels, withdrawing would be a simple matter of tapering the dose. When they put you on methadone you stay on it for the long term.

I'm pretty positive they have tried the pharma heroin long term in some countries, Switzerland and Denmark maybe?
And I mean why not, methadone is the same fucking thing, just a less terrible sounding name (kind of like SARMs vs Anabolic Steroids, same shit but one name doesn't carry the baggage). I doubt "tapering" works that well, they stay on permanently because almost no one ever manages to go clean.

[Mike]

Jesus ESF you are a crazy fucker. Back in the day I was able to get those blue 80 mg oxies. They became my life for about a year. I spent so much fucking money it was crazy. In the beginning I could take a tiny little piece of the 80 snort it and feel magical all day. It was the most intense euphoria you could ever imagine. I loved my life when I had oxies it was beautiful. Training was amazing sex was amazing work was amazing everyone was amazing.

A year later your life is destroyed. Every one hates you because you have become a junky loser. You need to mainline every couple hours. You look like shit. Life just becomes bad. It's a nightmare. Your tolerance skyrockets. The shit was just so expensive. I had to resort to buying methadone wafers from people.

Literally have the same story...good to know I'm not alone!