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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #225 on: October 31, 2015, 02:57:54 PM »
I know liberals felt the cop should have pleaded more for compliance. There is a point after the teacher and the administration can't get her leave her options are out. The disorderly person is not in charge. Now her parents are dreaming about the new car and vacations they will get because their kid was "wronged."

Now everyone who resists being arrested or in this case removed from a class room will know the liberal majority press and the sheep simpletons will back them after viewing the Iphone video.  Just a fu#ked up mind set that part of the liberal disease. 

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #226 on: October 31, 2015, 03:16:06 PM »
When it comes to parenting, I'm sure the two are forced to cross paths a time or two.


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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #227 on: October 31, 2015, 03:39:55 PM »

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Re: cop removes disruptive female urban youth from class
« Reply #228 on: October 31, 2015, 11:19:46 PM »
"I haven't seen all the videos - I've only caught a glimpse of one playing on one of the cable networks. But let's assume that everything you describe happen - that she told the teacher and the administrator to fuck off, and that the cop came in and tried to get her to comply. And? Does this mean that the cop handled the situation appropriately from that point on?"

That is debatable. While I may not have handled it that way, I don't believe his choice was over the top. She removed many options by her actions

Let's look at a clip, shall we?



Notice how he tries to grab her: he puts his arm from behind her head and around her throat. How would you expect most people to react to this? What's your reaction if someone were to do it to you? You say he's trying to extricate her, by "lifting her out" of the chair and that's why he grabs her leg. But the video shows that if that was his plan it was a poorly thought out one because it's literally impossible to quickly and efficiently extricate a person from the type of desk she's sitting at with the move he's trying to perform - the desk surface gets in the way and the body isn't a floppy rag doll on account of having bones. So when that extrication attempt - if you can call it that- predictably fails, he resorts to that "plan B" you mention: flipping the entire chair back. Again, the video is illuminating: remember that his hand is around her neck, so he uses it to yank her backwards, while at the same time lifting the bottom of the chair. The result is predictable: the chair lifts and rotates backwards. The girl - her head, neck and upper torso completely unprotected - slams against the floor hard. Her legs, trapped in the desk continue moving backwards, and almost hit the student behind her in the process, as the cop finally succeeds in separating the girl from the desk by dragging her away.

You say his choice wasn't over the top. I'm curious, what would have been? Would punching her in the face be over the top? Tasing her? Ordering her to stand up at gunpoint?


We don't expect people to go limp. We do expect them to stop resisting, but are prepared for the chance they won't in most cases.

Ah, yes... "stop resisting". The war cry of the American cop.


As far as violently overcoming resistance, you can call it violent, explosive etc.

I call a spade a spade. I understand that violence is sometimes required in your line of word. But I don't think that means we should use euphemisms to sugarcoat it or differentiate between cop violence and robber violence. Doing so is dangerous.


There is a chance, had he went about it gently, and wrestled with her in the chair for several minutes, she may tire, and give up and all is resolved. The is also a good chance it escalates into her eye gouging him or biting his nose off.. in which case we would all be watching the video saying "Look at that stupid cop..."

Sure, there's a chance. Of course, there's also a chance that she wouldn't have done any of those things you describe. It's a dangerous route to use "there's a chance that..." as a justification for this sort of thing. Mulling pulling someone over? Better PIT them instead - there's a chance they'd try to run and hit someone else. Chasing a suspect on foot? Better shoot his from behind and end the chase - there's a chance you could trip and fall.


You are right, we do need to evaluate use of force incidents, and many departments have a system in place where every single use of force is reviewed. I think its a good thing. I would recommend the officer, barring no other issues, receive additional training in dealing with these type of situations. But I don't believe based on the information at hand, I would advocate firing him.

I have no opinion on whether he should be fired or not. But I will say that having watched this video - and going only by the video - I don't think he has the temperament to be a cop. And I think you'll agree that one's temperament is very important in your line of work.

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Re: cop removes disruptive female urban youth from class
« Reply #229 on: November 01, 2015, 01:12:37 AM »
Let's look at a clip, shall we?



Notice how he tries to grab her: he puts his arm from behind her head and around her throat. How would you expect most people to react to this? What's your reaction if someone were to do it to you? You say he's trying to extricate her, by "lifting her out" of the chair and that's why he grabs her leg. But the video shows that if that was his plan it was a poorly thought out one because it's literally impossible to quickly and efficiently extricate a person from the type of desk she's sitting at with the move he's trying to perform - the desk surface gets in the way and the body isn't a floppy rag doll on account of having bones. So when that extrication attempt - if you can call it that- predictably fails, he resorts to that "plan B" you mention: flipping the entire chair back. Again, the video is illuminating: remember that his hand is around her neck, so he uses it to yank her backwards, while at the same time lifting the bottom of the chair. The result is predictable: the chair lifts and rotates backwards. The girl - her head, neck and upper torso completely unprotected - slams against the floor hard. Her legs, trapped in the desk continue moving backwards, and almost hit the student behind her in the process, as the cop finally succeeds in separating the girl from the desk by dragging her away.

You say his choice wasn't over the top. I'm curious, what would have been? Would punching her in the face be over the top? Tasing her? Ordering her to stand up at gunpoint?


Ah, yes... "stop resisting". The war cry of the American cop.


I call a spade a spade. I understand that violence is sometimes required in your line of word. But I don't think that means we should use euphemisms to sugarcoat it or differentiate between cop violence and robber violence. Doing so is dangerous.


Sure, there's a chance. Of course, there's also a chance that she wouldn't have done any of those things you describe. It's a dangerous route to use "there's a chance that..." as a justification for this sort of thing. Mulling pulling someone over? Better PIT them instead - there's a chance they'd try to run and hit someone else. Chasing a suspect on foot? Better shoot his from behind and end the chase - there's a chance you could trip and fall.


I have no opinion on whether he should be fired or not. But I will say that having watched this video - and going only by the video - I don't think he has the temperament to be a cop. And I think you'll agree that one's temperament is very important in your line of work.
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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #230 on: November 01, 2015, 07:45:13 AM »
No, there shouldn't be even the tiniest doubt as to whether the guy should have been fired.

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #231 on: November 01, 2015, 11:46:04 AM »
No, there shouldn't be even the tiniest doubt as to whether the guy should have been fired.

Couldn't agree more.

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #232 on: November 01, 2015, 11:50:42 AM »
The idiot is juiced to the gills. Way too many androgens for a guy in that line of work. The juice box is obviously an idiot.
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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #233 on: November 01, 2015, 11:52:31 AM »
No, there shouldn't be even the tiniest doubt as to whether the guy should have been fired.
Should get a promotion and a plaque on the school hero wall.
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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #234 on: November 01, 2015, 11:54:36 AM »
Should get a promotion and a plaque on the school hero wall.

 ;D Agreed. But the guy just lost his cool.
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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #235 on: November 01, 2015, 12:08:15 PM »

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #236 on: November 01, 2015, 12:12:19 PM »
And I hope you guys enjoy throwing out for the pleasure of having this employee.

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #237 on: November 01, 2015, 12:14:48 PM »
And I hope you guys enjoy throwing out for the pleasure of having this employee.
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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #239 on: November 01, 2015, 12:18:25 PM »
There's a level of disrespect among the kids these days that needs yo be choked and yanked out of them.

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #240 on: November 01, 2015, 12:40:41 PM »
Would you guys (the ones who think he shouldn't have been canned) ask him to please be more careful in the future, lol?  Just wondering you would go forward.

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #241 on: November 01, 2015, 12:43:34 PM »
If I ran a private school I'd hire him for security in a heartbeat.
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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #242 on: November 01, 2015, 12:52:31 PM »
I can think of places he'd make good security, probably, but not at a school and nowhere in this country.

But then again, the only "fight" we've seen him in has been against a teenage girl who was tangled up in a desk.

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #243 on: November 01, 2015, 12:55:20 PM »
And I'm sure the guy has some qualities to him, since lots of people apparently liked him. 

So who knows, but I'm sure it wasn't his finest moment we saw.

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #244 on: November 01, 2015, 01:00:06 PM »
Everyone crying about the cop and excusing the little brat that caused the entire situation.
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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #245 on: November 01, 2015, 01:01:57 PM »
If I ran a private school I'd hire him for security in a heartbeat.
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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #246 on: November 01, 2015, 01:44:02 PM »
America has gone so soft. SMH.

If the student would have tried that shit in somewhere like Nigeria the principle would have gathered the whole school together and literally whipped her ass in front of everyone.

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #247 on: November 01, 2015, 03:43:44 PM »
If I ran a private school I'd hire him for security in a heartbeat.

Oh, yeah, same here; but mine wouldn't babysit such societal cancers in the first place.

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #248 on: November 02, 2015, 02:51:32 AM »
Where's Ben Fields when you need him....
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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #249 on: November 02, 2015, 03:17:23 AM »
Oh, yeah, same here; but mine wouldn't babysit such societal cancers in the first place.

amen

The kind of primates that breed students like this stay at the bottom...and they do all the work toward keeping themselves there.  Pretty sweet deal for those who see the bigger picture and don't get all bent out of shape of sensationalistic headlines. 
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