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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #250 on: November 02, 2015, 07:50:27 AM »
Where's Ben Fields when you need him....
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=581_1446436696

Oh, my. How totally unusual.

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Re: cop removes disruptive female urban youth from class
« Reply #251 on: November 02, 2015, 07:52:46 AM »
I hope you see how ridiculous your statement is.

Indeed, so completely unfounded.

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #252 on: November 03, 2015, 02:21:08 PM »
Would you guys (the ones who think he shouldn't have been canned) ask him to please be more careful in the future, lol?  Just wondering you would go forward.


Here are some techniques you can employ next time to remove a student who is passively resisting. Now that you have been shown these techniques, I expect you to use these.

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #253 on: November 03, 2015, 02:40:50 PM »

Here are some techniques you can employ next time to remove a student who is passively resisting. Now that you have been shown these techniques, I expect you to use these.

You feel confident that his actions resulted from lack of training?

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #254 on: November 03, 2015, 02:45:34 PM »
You feel confident that his actions resulted from lack of training?

It's a possibility.  may have been taught a couple in the academy, not sure how long ago that was, he may be due a refresher. But I think his career is certainly salvageable barring no other issues that training should be considered

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #255 on: November 03, 2015, 03:14:11 PM »
It's a possibility.  may have been taught a couple in the academy, not sure how long ago that was, he may be due a refresher. But I think his career is certainly salvageable barring no other issues that training should be considered

So you'd say he may have not only forgotten the techniques, but also that there's a need for them?

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #256 on: November 03, 2015, 04:09:32 PM »
So you'd say he may have not only forgotten the techniques, but also that there's a need for them?

when you ask if there is a need for them.. what do you mean? How would you propose getting someone to leave when they don't want to? maybe I misunderstood the question

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #257 on: November 03, 2015, 04:15:42 PM »
when you ask if there is a need for them.. what do you mean? How would you propose getting someone to leave when they don't want to? maybe I misunderstood the question

This:


Here are some techniques you can employ next time to remove a student who is passively resisting. Now that you have been shown these techniques, I expect you to use these.

Why not just pat him on the back and tell him he did a good job?

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #258 on: November 03, 2015, 04:23:16 PM »
This:

Why not just pat him on the back and tell him he did a good job, then?

In many situations, there are opportunities to improve. After every swat call there is a debrief/critique because there is usually something to improve on next time. In this case I think there is ample room for improvement, a better way to do it. Doesn't always mean what they did rises to suspension or termination.     

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #259 on: November 03, 2015, 04:30:42 PM »
In many situations, there are opportunities to improve. After every swat call there is a debrief/critique because there is usually something to improve on next time. In this case I think there is ample room for improvement, a better way to do it. Doesn't always mean what they did rises to suspension or termination.     

Do you find it believable that he may have forgotten even the need to use technique?

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #260 on: November 03, 2015, 04:53:12 PM »
Do you find it believable that he may have forgotten even the need to use technique?

Good question actually. Sometimes officers go to what is most successful for them in the past. I was taught various techniques during the academy but on the street generally went with a handful that I either was good at or worked in similar situations. Had I found these not working it might be that I hadn't used the others in so long I had forgotten about them. I think in this case he likely intended to pick her up out of the chair. His thinking on techniques may not have come into play for many reasons, one may be that he was successful with this technique in the past on a student, I don't know. I don't think his original intent was what we saw. and in hindsight, he may, if asked say "I should have done X or Y or Z

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #261 on: November 03, 2015, 04:54:29 PM »
This:

Why not just pat him on the back and tell him he did a good job?
I'd pat him on the back. He did what needed to be done.
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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #262 on: November 03, 2015, 04:59:22 PM »
Good question actually. Sometimes officers go to what is most successful for them in the past. I was taught various techniques during the academy but on the street generally went with a handful that I either was good at or worked in similar situations. Had I found these not working it might be that I hadn't used the others in so long I had forgotten about them. I think in this case he likely intended to pick her up out of the chair. His thinking on techniques may not have come into play for many reasons, one may be that he was successful with this technique in the past on a student, I don't know. I don't think his original intent was what we saw. and in hindsight, he may, if asked say "I should have done X or Y or Z

Is it possible he said fuck it to the technique?

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #263 on: November 03, 2015, 05:00:14 PM »
Is it possible he said fuck it to the technique?

who knows?

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #264 on: November 03, 2015, 05:04:01 PM »
I'd pat him on the back. He did what needed to be done.

You'd probably suck his dick, too, but that's beside the point.

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #265 on: November 03, 2015, 05:05:32 PM »
No offense Mr Mod!!   ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #266 on: November 03, 2015, 05:54:58 PM »
In many situations, there are opportunities to improve. After every swat call there is a debrief/critique because there is usually something to improve on next time. In this case I think there is ample room for improvement, a better way to do it. Doesn't always mean what they did rises to suspension or termination.     

There are always opportunities to improve and people - not just cops - should take them. That's why surgeons make presentations to their peers about surgeries that didn't go according to plan; that's why software engineers have post-mortems after a software crash; that's why military pilots have debriefs after training exercises and dogfights.

Nobody is suggesting that every mistake rises to a suspension or a termination. Nobody is suggesting that every incident is suspect. Nobody is saying that cops should lose their jobs if they're anything short of perfect. What people are saying is that the pervasive culture of lax discipline and cop practically getting away with murder must come to and end. You may say these sort of things don't happen or that they are the exception and not the rule, but the facts say otherwise.

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #267 on: November 04, 2015, 12:41:09 AM »
There are always opportunities to improve and people - not just cops - should take them. That's why surgeons make presentations to their peers about surgeries that didn't go according to plan; that's why software engineers have post-mortems after a software crash; that's why military pilots have debriefs after training exercises and dogfights.

Nobody is suggesting that every mistake rises to a suspension or a termination.Nobody is suggesting that every incident is suspect. Nobody is saying that cops should lose their jobs if they're anything short of perfect. What people are saying is that the pervasive culture of lax discipline and cop practically getting away with murder must come to and end. You may say these sort of things don't happen or that they are the exception and not the rule, but the facts say otherwise.

I don't think you've been listening to Nobody very closely, because that's often exactly what he says. Also, what facts indicate cops are "practically getting away with murder"?

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #268 on: November 04, 2015, 01:08:23 AM »
I bet when that girl got home her dad was mad at her for disrespecting the teacher, principal, officer fellow students and eventually the whole family.

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #269 on: November 04, 2015, 01:30:31 AM »
I do think you've been listening to Nobody very closely, because that's often exactly what he says. Also, what facts indicate cops are "practically getting away with murder"?

You've had a chance to look at the (as of this writing) 103-page thread titled Police State - Official Thread over on Politics, right? Do you really want me to link to stories about cops not getting indicted for burning toddlers with flashbangs, shooting sleeping seven-year old girls in the head, arresting the owners of a property to commandeer it because it suits them, severely injuring inmates, framing innocent people, arresting individuals and then shopping around for doctors willing to anally probe them and causing deadly crashes and getting away scot-free? Because, you know... I can do that.

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #270 on: November 04, 2015, 08:29:03 AM »
it's unfair to expect the police to objectively govern themselves. it seems what's missing is any effective "civilian" oversight mechanism that would introduce some objectivity and balance to these matters. I would expect if you looked at the way these institutions are structured in places without 'trust issues' that's what you'll find...hmm i'll have to look into this some more  8)
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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #271 on: November 04, 2015, 09:28:06 AM »
You'd probably suck his dick, too, but that's beside the point.
And you'd probably still be negotiating with the little terrorist.
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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #272 on: November 04, 2015, 09:39:19 AM »
And you'd probably still be negotiating with the little terrorist.

I'm sure that class has long been dismissed, and I doubt the girl would have had any interest in sitting there in the dark.

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #273 on: November 06, 2015, 01:06:08 AM »
I just read about this on the Police State thread, over at Politics and I thought I should post so TheUgly could see this:

Officer Lisa Mearkle tasered an unarmed man and kept ordering him to the ground and demanding he show his hands despite the fact that he was lying flats and his hands were showing. She then shot him, continuing to yell at him to show his hands as he died. She was charged with criminal homicide but was acquited of all charges. Here's the story and the video: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/shock-video-cop-executes-man-lying-face-complying/

According to an interview, she's planning on returning to her department to "serve" the citizens of her community. ???

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Re: Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer
« Reply #274 on: November 06, 2015, 01:48:38 PM »
I just read about this on the Police State thread, over at Politics and I thought I should post so TheUgly could see this:

Officer Lisa Mearkle tasered an unarmed man and kept ordering him to the ground and demanding he show his hands despite the fact that he was lying flats and his hands were showing. She then shot him, continuing to yell at him to show his hands as he died. She was charged with criminal homicide but was acquited of all charges. Here's the story and the video: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/shock-video-cop-executes-man-lying-face-complying/

According to an interview, she's planning on returning to her department to "serve" the citizens of her community. ???


Thanks, bro, good looking out. So it's settled, then. Pigs in a blanket and such.