Ben Carson's stabbing story has now unraveled

[240 is Back]

He blamed reporters, and said it was like a game of telephone, where details change.

This answer will appease the 80 IQ morons that love the dude.

But in reality, where most people live, the differences in the story actually occur in Carson's books, in print, in his own words.

The only thing reporters are doing is ASKING him about the inconsistencies.  If you're going to use an attempted murder as the catalyst for your current political and religious journey in which you're asking us to join - you had better not be making up that attempted murder.  And it appears, like the popeyes robbery, that Carson just made it up. 

[240 is Back]

the real question is this...

Ben Carson's now-proven lies are going to be a liability in the campaign.  Some % of voters will say "this dude lied about multiple violent crimes, I'm not voting for him".

Maybe it won't affect getbiggers that hate obama, but it'll affect some people.  So the BIG question is - why not choose a republican (like Cruz, for instance), that does NOT run this risk?  Why choose the person with this massive baggage?  Are his strengths (like the economic policy he cannot complain, his used-to-support-banning-guns-in-cities approach to weapons, and his decade of referring women for abortions) - Why not choose a republican WITHOUT these nasty pieces of baggage?

You're about to enter the Indy 500 and for some reason, you're choosing a Hyundai with a bad transmission.  Why not opt for a better car now?

[LurkerNoMore]

He wants people to believe that the inconsistencies with his story is the medias fault. 

Blame the media.... tough questions.... blame the media..... story embellishment/inconsistencies get noted... blame the media....

[Las Vegas]

the real question is this...

Ben Carson's now-proven lies are going to be a liability in the campaign.  Some % of voters will say "this dude lied about multiple violent crimes, I'm not voting for him".

Maybe it won't affect getbiggers that hate obama, but it'll affect some people.  So the BIG question is - why not choose a republican (like Cruz, for instance), that does NOT run this risk?  Why choose the person with this massive baggage?  Are his strengths (like the economic policy he cannot complain, his used-to-support-banning-guns-in-cities approach to weapons, and his decade of referring women for abortions) - Why not choose a republican WITHOUT these nasty pieces of baggage?

You're about to enter the Indy 500 and for some reason, you're choosing a Hyundai with a bad transmission.  Why not opt for a better car now?

I'm unable to keep up with this, because I can't understand it.  We have the leading R candidate going mostly unchallenged for repeatedly telling lies.

I haven't seen any big stories on it.  Nothing compared to the story that it is.  What I have seen over time, though, is the media trying to take Trump down a notch.

Those two things can certainly go together, of course.  So are they going together?  Because I don't believe Carson could beat Hilary, but Trump very possibly can (w a real message, I think no question he can).

Once again, all suspicions lead right to Hillary.

[iwantmass]

I'm unable to keep up with this, because I can't understand it.  We have the leading R candidate going mostly unchallenged for repeatedly telling lies.

I haven't seen any big stories on it.  Nothing compared to the story that it is.  What I have seen over time, though, is the media trying to take Trump down a notch.

Those two things can certainly go together, of course.  So are they going together?  Because I don't believe Carson could beat Hilary, but Trump very possibly can (w a real message, I think no question he can).

Once again, all suspicions lead right to Hillary.

You haven't seen any big stories on it because 240 is taking some artistic liberties with his telling of it.

[Las Vegas]

You haven't seen any big stories on it because 240 is taking some artistic liberties with his telling of it.

If a guy stuck a gun in Carson's side (as according to him), shouldn't someone ask him WHY he didn't report that a dangerous armed criminal is on the loose?

[iwantmass]

If a guy stuck a gun in Carson's side (as according to him), shouldn't someone ask him WHY he didn't report that a dangerous armed criminal is on the loose?

Stop getting your news from getbig.  This was claimed to have happened between 1980-83.  I don't know if it happened or not.  I tend to think he is either straight up lying or exaggerating at the very least.  But I don't know that nor does 240.  Everything 240 is yammering on about is 30 to 50 years old

[240 is Back]

You haven't seen any big stories on it because 240 is taking some artistic liberties with his telling of it.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/ben-carson-blames-reporters-as-his-story-about-trying-to-stab-a-friend-falls-apart/

Read excepts from his books.   Retelling the story with new and ever-changing details. 

[240 is Back]

  Everything 240 is yammering on about is 30 to 50 years old

It's relevant because he still cites it today as the incident that turned him onto religion and the right path.

If he's lying about it - what does that mean about the rest of what he says?  If he will straight up invent an attempted murder confession out of thin air - because he wants his conversion to be more believable, then I have to wonder...

Next item:
Carson said he had NO RELATIONSHIP with that supplement company.   Those were his exact words in last week's debate.

An hour later, we were all seeing paid speeches for a decade, all caught on video.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/politics/ben-carson-mannatech/index.html

This wasn't a lie from 50 years ago, this was an obvious lie from this week. 

[240 is Back]

  I tend to think he is either straight up lying or exaggerating at the very least.

Ditto.

So when he says he can fix the economy with this 10% tithe plan (which conservative economists say will NOT work), I tend to believe he is also exaggerating or lying.  When he says he can solve our nations problems, I don't find him credible.

People's bullshit detectors go off.  When Palin claimed to read "all of them" when referring to newspapers and magazines, voters realized she was full of shit and mccain (who led obama in August 2008 right before picking her) suddenly lost big.

People will see lies about attempted murders, armed robberies, and who knows what else will come out... and they're giong to just not bother voting for the man.  In the meantime, actual conservatives like Cruz will have lost the nomiation, and Hilary will walk all over Carson in the general election.

If he's a major liar - and I don't think ANYONE on getbig is defending him at this point - then why not just bounce his ass from the nomination and choose a conservative without a history of pathological lying which will disqualify him with many voters?

[iwantmass]

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/ben-carson-blames-reporters-as-his-story-about-trying-to-stab-a-friend-falls-apart/

Read excepts from his books.   Retelling the story with new and ever-changing details. 

I understand very well what he said 30-50 years ago.  And when you tell a story that old it can either lose its luster or be over embellished.  Couple that with the media and guys like you grilling him about it, and I suspect even more changes.

You overembellish all the time and paint all of your stories with a much broader colorful stroke than they actually happened.  When that guy slapped you in public and took your manhood , and you ran and hid for a good cry; you certainly don't retell it that way
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You act as if you spared an opponent's life in the gladiator pit so you wouldn't have blood on your hands.

It happens l, he is probably exaggerating/exaggerated in the past on all these stories.  I did all sorts of stuff to my friends when I was younger, that might have hurt them, and I'm no monster

[iwantmass]

Ditto.

So when he says he can fix the economy with this 10% tithe plan (which conservative economists say will NOT work), I tend to believe he is also exaggerating or lying.  When he says he can solve our nations problems, I don't find him credible.

People's bullshit detectors go off.  When Palin claimed to read "all of them" when referring to newspapers and magazines, voters realized she was full of shit and mccain (who led obama in August 2008 right before picking her) suddenly lost big.

People will see lies about attempted murders, armed robberies, and who knows what else will come out... and they're giong to just not bother voting for the man.  In the meantime, actual conservatives like Cruz will have lost the nomiation, and Hilary will walk all over Carson in the general election.

If he's a major liar - and I don't think ANYONE on getbig is defending him at this point - then why not just bounce his ass from the nomination and choose a conservative without a history of pathological lying which will disqualify him with many voters?

His economic policies don't sound  feasible from what I have heard, but I am fairly ignorant on running a national budget.  I suspect the most qualified candidate to run a budget is probably trump, and even he has filed bankruptcy.

As for the pyramid scheme, I discussed that with you already.  He receives dollars for being a spokesman for a pyramid scheme company.  It certainly isn't ethical but plenty do it.

In summary, you are fearful of this guy being president because he potentially retells 30-50 year old stories in an exaggerated fashion just as you do. And you don't like pyramid schemes.

Is there anything else?

[iwantmass]

Can you tell me the candidates that you currently find not to be liars,  just so I have an idea of what ethical looks like to you?  Republican and democratic both, please if you have the time

[Las Vegas]

Stop getting your news from getbig.  This was claimed to have happened between 1980-83.  I don't know if it happened or not. I tend to think he is either straight up lying or exaggerating at the very least.  But I don't know that nor does 240.  Everything 240 is yammering on about is 30 to 50 years old

Either someone stuck a gun at him or he's lying.  That's what it comes down to.

If he's going to claim that, then he needs to answer some questions.  Because either way, truth or lie, he's screwed the pooch and we need to be informed of it.  

According to reports, he is now the number one Republican candidate.  That means the situation has become urgent, if it wasn't already.  No excuses.

[Las Vegas]

Remember, we are talking about the important job of defeating Hillary.

[iwantmass]

Either someone stuck a gun at him or he's lying.  That's what it comes down to.

If he's going to claim that, then he needs to answer some questions.  Because either way, truth or lie, he's screwed the pooch and we need to be informed of it.  

According to reports, he is now the number one Republican candidate.  That means the situation has become urgent, if it wasn't already.  No excuses.

He has answered it, over and over. He even went into more expansive details and gave the exact location, which wasn't given originally.

They have no record of it from 30 years ago, so we currently have no way to verify his version.  It boils down to whether you believe him or not. 

Do you think less of people like 240 that exaggerate and are compulsive liars? Do you think that would affect his ability to run a country, being a story teller and all?

If that is the case, Obama should have never been president and neither should any of the current candidates.

I'm much more interested in all of their work ethics and business dealings to be honest.  Hillary continues to lie about the bengazi stuff. The IRS continues to lie about targeting.

You aren't going to find a political candidate with a skeleton-free closet.  If the worst skeleton he has is story telling and working for a pyramid scheme company, I think that is okay.  Im.more interested in his economic policy that none of the leading experts find feasible

[Primemuscle]

Can you tell me the candidates that you currently find not to be liars,  just so I have an idea of what ethical looks like to you?  Republican and democratic both, please if you have the time

Not claiming any expertise with regards to politicians' truthfulness, but my assumption is that they all lie when it suits their purpose, which is to get elected and reelected when that time comes. Keep in mind, there are different ways to tell lies. There's lying by omission, there is lying by blending truth with lies, there is lying by claiming not to remember the truth and there is plain old "bold face" lying. The general public is very gullible and forgiving.

[Las Vegas]

He has answered it, over and over. He even went into more expansive details and gave the exact location, which wasn't given originally.

They have no record of it from 30 years ago, so we currently have no way to verify his version.  It boils down to whether you believe him or not. 

Do you think less of people like 240 that exaggerate and are compulsive liars? Do you think that would affect his ability to run a country, being a story teller and all?

If that is the case, Obama should have never been president and neither should any of the current candidates.

I'm much more interested in all of their work ethics and business dealings to be honest.  Hillary continues to lie about the bengazi stuff. The IRS continues to lie about targeting.

You aren't going to find a political candidate with a skeleton-free closet.  If the worst skeleton he has is story telling and working for a pyramid scheme company, I think that is okay.  Im.more interested in his economic policy that none of the leading experts find feasible

Since we're referring to a criminal walking around sticking a gun at people: Has he answered why he didn't report it?

[Las Vegas]

Does he claim to have reported it?  Has anyone asked him?

[Primemuscle]

Ben Carson only recently became a Republican. He was a moderate or something like that until about six months before announcing his candidacy.

Ben Carson claims he has no relationship with Mannatech and yet there is a video of him hawking their supplements. He admitted to doing paid speeches for them.

He told the story of his violent past activity in his books, but the facts of said story kept changing. -Memory loss perhaps.

[iwantmass]

Not claiming any expertise with regards to politicians' truthfulness, but my assumption is that they all lie when it suits their purpose, which is to get elected and reelected when that time comes. Keep in mind, there are different ways to tell lies. There's lying by omission, there is lying by blending truth with lies, there is lying by claiming not to remember the truth and there is plain old "bold face" lying. The general public is very gullible and forgiving.

Bingo.  Use your judgment to find which one is the lesser evil.  If working for a pyramid company is the one that pushes you over the edge, don't vote for him. 

We may never know if he is lying about the stuff from his youth.  I wasn't gonna vote for him anyhow, so I don't really care.  However l, I do find it funny that the ones here that harp on potential childhood fairytale are also the same ones that swear the hillary/benghazi stuff is unimportant.  If one is important, so is the other one.

[240 is Back]

Remember, we are talking about the important job of defeating Hillary.

In 2012, it was the same way.

Romney was HATED by 3/4 of the party.  He was a RINO running in the middle of a tea party revolution.  But, thanks to his massive $ and infrastructure, and because it was him against 5 conservatives nibbling at each others supporters, Romney emerged the winner - even though the majority of the party hated him.

Carson has been the top candidate for 1 week.  Already we have proof he embellished attempted murder, from his own book.  Already we know he lied about an armed robbery, from the Baltimore police dept records.  Already we know he lied about a relationship with that company, from videos showing 10 years of speeches.

More than enough warning signs - just pick a repub without so much potential for damaging baggage.   I don't know if Romney ever had as much baggage lol - we are talking about carson CAUGHT LYING ABOUT ATTEMPTING TO MURDER SOMEONE.   Am I the only one saying "repubs, this guy is probably not the best bet"?

[iwantmass]

In 2012, it was the same way.

Romney was HATED by 3/4 of the party.  He was a RINO running in the middle of a tea party revolution.  But, thanks to his massive $ and infrastructure, and because it was him against 5 conservatives nibbling at each others supporters, Romney emerged the winner - even though the majority of the party hated him.

Carson has been the top candidate for 1 week.  Already we have proof he embellished attempted murder, from his own book.  Already we know he lied about an armed robbery, from the Baltimore police dept records.  Already we know he lied about a relationship with that company, from videos showing 10 years of speeches.

More than enough warning signs - just pick a repub without so much potential for damaging baggage.   I don't know if Romney ever had as much baggage lol - we are talking about carson CAUGHT LYING ABOUT ATTEMPTING TO MURDER SOMEONE.   Am I the only one saying "repubs, this guy is probably not the best bet"?

So far, the only proven liar is you.  He isn't an attempted murderer just because he tried to stab someone.  What size was the knife on a camping trip?  It's safe to say his goal wasn't murder.

The police can't find the record of the robbery that allegedly happened over 30 years ago.  I don't know if it happened or not, but I bet it isn't uncommon to lose records from 30+ years ago on trivial cases.

As for your 3rd point, he worked for a pyramid company.

In the future, you may be taken more seriously of you don't lie and exaggerate every detail of every story.  Plenty of guys on this board would let another man slap them in the face too without any response.  I wouldn't as I think that makes you a pussy, but plenty would.  The difference is you act like you allowed yourself to be bitch slapped because you spared his life and not because you were a bitch

[Las Vegas]

In 2012, it was the same way.

Romney was HATED by 3/4 of the party.  He was a RINO running in the middle of a tea party revolution.  But, thanks to his massive $ and infrastructure, and because it was him against 5 conservatives nibbling at each others supporters, Romney emerged the winner - even though the majority of the party hated him.

Carson has been the top candidate for 1 week.  Already we have proof he embellished attempted murder, from his own book.  Already we know he lied about an armed robbery, from the Baltimore police dept records.  Already we know he lied about a relationship with that company, from videos showing 10 years of speeches.

More than enough warning signs - just pick a repub without so much potential for damaging baggage.   I don't know if Romney ever had as much baggage lol - we are talking about carson CAUGHT LYING ABOUT ATTEMPTING TO MURDER SOMEONE.   Am I the only one saying "repubs, this guy is probably not the best bet"?

Whole thing leads right to Hillary.  She needs to face the one candidate who has a chance to beat her: Trump.  They've set the whole thing up, and i STILL don't know 100% if Trump is in on it.

But if someone like Carson is allowed to take the nomination without being forced to answer for the lies, then I have officially given up on the system.  We've gone too far and will not recover.

[Primemuscle]

In 2012, it was the same way.

Romney was HATED by 3/4 of the party.  He was a RINO running in the middle of a tea party revolution.  But, thanks to his massive $ and infrastructure, and because it was him against 5 conservatives nibbling at each others supporters, Romney emerged the winner - even though the majority of the party hated him.

Carson has been the top candidate for 1 week.  Already we have proof he embellished attempted murder, from his own book.  Already we know he lied about an armed robbery, from the Baltimore police dept records.  Already we know he lied about a relationship with that company, from videos showing 10 years of speeches.

More than enough warning signs - just pick a repub without so much potential for damaging baggage.   I don't know if Romney ever had as much baggage lol - we are talking about carson CAUGHT LYING ABOUT ATTEMPTING TO MURDER SOMEONE.   Am I the only one saying "repubs, this guy is probably not the best bet"?

If I were a republican, I would have great difficulty backing any of the current republican presidential candidates. Being a democrat, there are fewer choices, but they are questionable too.

I'd have a real problem supporting someone with no political experience and yet running for President.

When the time comes, I will vote for someone. Not voting at all sends the dangerous message that folks don't care who is elected.