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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #50 on: November 12, 2015, 04:24:02 AM »
I agree - I don't think he confused the two cards or that this was a mistake and I think I made that clear. I was just pointing out that actual mistakes involving people using the wrong card do happen.


It's generally a bad idea to cash out a retirement account, but I don't see anything inherently wrong with Rubio cashing out his retirement accounts, provided he paid the fines imposed by the IRS for cashing out. I also don't see anything wrong with his purchasing a boat.  As long as he's fiscally conservative when it comes to public funds and doesn't think he's entitled to reach into my pocket and get my money, I don't care how he spends his money - it's his to do with as he pleases. He could buy champagne to flush his toilet for all I care.

Sadly, all the Republican candidates leave a lot to be desired...

If you do not care . . . then give him your vote.  How a politician makes his money and how he spends it is something a lot of voters want to know, which is why the "jobs" given to Rubio and his wife from Braman are noteworthy.

Obviously, Rubio's spending habits are being covered by the press because many observers do care, and a lot of people see a disturbing pattern--even other republicans.  The way he handles his finances are telling indicators of his personal priorities and may or may not conflict with his public rhetoric, policy positions, and prescriptions for constituents.  There is a huge disconnect here.  People tend to not like hypocrites and obvious liars.  Florida voters were willing to put him in the Senate when Rubio was up against Charlie Crist, but he is not up against Crist this time.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #51 on: November 12, 2015, 08:30:42 AM »
But we keep coming back to fact there's no written policy as to what's what.

You were asking whether the charges would be appropriate.  How can personal charges be inappropriate if they have an understanding he can use the card for personal charges? 

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #52 on: November 12, 2015, 08:47:15 AM »
You were asking whether the charges would be appropriate.  How can personal charges be inappropriate if they have an understanding he can use the card for personal charges? 

The charges not kept as personal are the ones we need to be concerned about, though.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2015, 09:12:50 AM »
The charges not kept as personal are the ones we need to be concerned about, though.

Why?

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #54 on: November 12, 2015, 09:55:35 AM »
Why?

Why should concern exist if personal charges are being passed along, you ask? (not sure if serious)

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #55 on: November 12, 2015, 10:42:02 AM »
They're BOTH right.

Trump screwed investors and taxpayers alike with his company bankruptices.

Rubio used party funds to pay his own bills.

Both are crap on this issue.  Neither can throw stones.

It might be that there will be no one left standing once all the smear tactics are over.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #56 on: November 12, 2015, 01:28:56 PM »
Why should concern exist if personal charges are being passed along, you ask? (not sure if serious)

No.  If personal charges are being paid, and business charges are being paid, what is the problem? 

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #57 on: November 12, 2015, 01:33:41 PM »
Why should concern exist if personal charges are being passed along, you ask? (not sure if serious)

I think he's being purposefully obtuse.

What you are saying is that you believe that all expenses need to be verified to assure that the things he listed as "business" were in fact all business, as opposed to some of them actually being personal expenditures.

You're saying you're worried that he has perhaps lied about the nature of the expenditures in question.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #58 on: November 12, 2015, 02:39:18 PM »
I think he's being purposefully obtuse.

What you are saying is that you believe that all expenses need to be verified to assure that the things he listed as "business" were in fact all business, as opposed to some of them actually being personal expenditures.

You're saying you're worried that he has perhaps lied about the nature of the expenditures in question.

Yes, it is a method which makes it much too easy to pass personal charges off as business expenses.  Clearly arranged with purpose, when you consider the fix is to simply write an agreement.

Rubio would actually have some incentive to be most careful with his charges, though, due to his ambitions.  But there's no denying that he had knowledge of it, which goes against everything conservatism is supposed to be.  He chose to ignore it and run with the crowd, instead.  He's a lightweight.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #59 on: November 12, 2015, 04:54:18 PM »
dude sells of his retirement to quickly pay off this massive debt he knew he'd have to pay all along, huh?  ;)

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.   And I guess OJ was just planting flowers and happened to step in a massive pool of blood, hence the footprints...

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #60 on: November 12, 2015, 05:12:33 PM »
This gives a better idea of how they run things in Florida, at least:

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WASHINGTON — Former Republican Party of Florida chairwoman Carole Jean Jordan said Tuesday that it was never her job to question personal expenses charged by Marco Rubio using a party American Express card.

Rubio's use of the card for personal expenses — such as brick pavers, haircuts and movie tickets — when he served in the Florida House of Representatives has been an issue since his 2010 Senate race but has resurfaced as he rises in the polls as a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination.

Jordan, who was chairwoman from February 2003 to January 2007 and is now the tax collector for Indian River County and a Jeb Bush supporter, said she ran a tight ship but didn't personally scrutinize the American Express bills of party leaders. Rubio served in the Florida House from 2000 to 2008 and was Speaker from November 2006 to November 2008, so Jordan's time in office coincided with Rubio's for about four years — roughly Bush's first term as governor.

"The governor (Bush) insisted that everything be transparent and, of course, it was. We had nothing to hide," she said. She said Rubio and others had access to the money they raised "because it was their job, like mine, to go out and elect fellow Republicans."

Rubio acknowledges there were personal expenses estimated at $16,000 that he later reimbursed. Asked whether she ever questioned those expenses at the time, she said no. "That wasn't our job… . Somebody in Mr. Rubio's office, possibly the Speaker himself, they approved their own expenses. It wasn't my job to judge what they spent their money on."

Jordan said that when she took the reins of the party, she brought to the job a "business acumen" it had lacked.

"The Republican Party was just exploding," she said. "We grew up, if you will, and became a multimillion-dollar operation. No chairman is going to sit and go through every single bill. I went through my American Express, or my staff did." And she occasionally reimbursed the party for her husband's meals paid for with the card, she said.

"I personally did not handle his American Express card, or anybody else's. My office did," she said of Rubio. She said there were "obviously" mistakes made because Rubio has had to clarify how he handled the personal expenses. Rubio insisted in 2010 that the card was his, not the party's, because it was "secured under my name, my Social Security number and my personal credit through the Corporate Division of American Express."

Jordan said it was "absolutely" the policy of the party that cards provided were to be used solely for party business. If Rubio did incur personal expenses, would it have violated the policy, she was asked. "I would assume so," she said. "I didn't see it."

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #61 on: November 12, 2015, 05:41:56 PM »
If you do not care . . . then give him your vote.  How a politician makes his money and how he spends it is something a lot of voters want to know, which is why the "jobs" given to Rubio and his wife from Braman is noteworthy.

No, I don't care. And that doesn't mean I'm going to vote for Marco Rubio. The point is that it's not fair to claim a politician isn't advocating fiscal conservatism and voting in such a way, because you disagree with how they use their personal income.


Obviously, Rubio's spending habits are being covered by the press because many observers do care, and a lot of people see a disturbing pattern--even other republicans.

People are free to judge the candidates based on whatever criteria and standards they have. I never suggested otherwise. If, for example, you don't want to vote for Rubio because you refuse to vote for people whose last names start with R, then more power to you.


The way he handles his finances are telling indicators of his personal priorities and may or may not conflict with his public rhetoric, policy positions, and prescriptions for constituents.

So your argument is that if a politician votes against, say, raising the debt ceiling but asks VISA to raise his credit card limit he's being a hypocrite?


People tend to not like hypocrites and obvious liars.

Huh... could have fooled me!