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Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« on: November 05, 2015, 11:43:10 AM »
He's right.

Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
By Sean Sullivan November 5, 2015   


Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), left, speaks while Donald Trump looks on during the Republican presidential debate last month in Boulder, Colo. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)

CONCORD, N.H. — Marco Rubio fired back at Republican presidential rival Donald Trump on Thursday morning, telling reporters here it is “ironic” that Trump is attacking his personal finances given his history of business-related bankruptcies.

“I find it ironic that the only person who’s running for president that’s ever declared a bankruptcy — four times in the last 25 years — is attacking anyone on finances,” said Rubio, referring to the  bankruptcies declared by the real estate mogul’s companies.

Rubio made his comments at the New Hampshire State House, where he officially filed for the Republican primary.

Earlier Thursday, Trump continued to assail Rubio over his use of a credit card issued to him years ago by the Republican Party of Florida when he was in the state legislature.

“We’ll see what's happening with Rubio,” Trump said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “He's starting to get very hit hard on his credit card things and other things that they're finding out.”

Rubio reimbursed the state party for flights that he said were mistakenly billed to the party and paid for personal expenses he had charged to the card.

Rubio said Wednesday that he plans to release credit card records from 2005 and 2006 that have not been made public before. Asked what people will see in those records, he declined to say.

“You’ll see them when they come out. We’ve been preparing them for a while, and when they’re ready, we’ll make them available. It’s not a big deal,” Rubio said.

He added: “I don’t think people will be impressed with it."

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2015, 11:52:52 AM »
They're BOTH right.

Trump screwed investors and taxpayers alike with his company bankruptices.

Rubio used party funds to pay his own bills.

Both are crap on this issue.  Neither can throw stones.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2015, 09:09:08 AM »
Good response.

Rubio Hits Trump: 4 Bankruptcies and He Attacks Me?

Image: Rubio Hits Trump: 4 Bankruptcies and He Attacks Me? Marco Rubio (Darren McCollester/Getty Images)
By Cathy Burke 
Thursday, 05 Nov 2015

Sen. Marco Rubio fired a zinger at rival GOP presidential contender Donald Trump, calling his criticism of the Florida senator's credit card spending "ironic."

The senator from Florida went on the offense Thursday at New Hampshire's State House, where he officially filed for the Republican primary, The Washington Post reports.

"I find it ironic that the only person who's running for president that's ever declared a bankruptcy — four times in the last 25 years — is attacking anyone on finances," Rubio said, referring to corporate bankruptcies filed by Trump's businesses.

Trump has been hammering Rubio over his use of a credit card issued to him by the Republican Party of Florida when he was a lawmaker in the state House.

"We'll see what's happening with Rubio," Trump added Thursday in an interview on  MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

"He's starting to get hit hard on his credit card things and other things that they're finding out."

Rubio insists his credit card history while in Florida is "not a big deal."

"You'll see them when they come out," he said, the Post reports.

"We've been preparing them for a while, and when they're ready, we'll make them available. … I don't think people will be impressed with it."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/marco-rubio-donald-trump-credit-card-spending/2015/11/05/id/700744/#ixzz3qjSD1epr

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2015, 09:20:52 AM »
trump and cruz both look like this on this issue.

trump declared over and over for his companies, cost a lot of people their investments.
rubio is a very smart lawyer who 'accidentially' used party credit card to pay bills, then kept it all secret until now.

BOTH of them look like shit.  Let's move up a Ted Cruz, someone who is VERY good at financial management, both in congress and at home.  Yeah, they're not 'deal breakers' for trump or rubio, but why take on that kind of baggage when you have Cruz without that mess.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2015, 09:45:41 AM »
“I find it ironic that the only person who’s running for president that’s ever declared a bankruptcy — four times in the last 25 years — is attacking anyone on finances,” said Rubio, referring to the  bankruptcies declared by the real estate mogul’s companies.



Good response.

The other GOP candidates should use this more IMO

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2015, 12:11:13 PM »
Here’s why Marco Rubio’s corporate card saga isn’t really a scandal
By Michelle Ye Hee Lee
November 6, 2015   

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“People need to understand what they’re talking about. It wasn’t a credit card. It was an American Express charge card secured under my personal credit in conjunction with the [Republican] Party. Bills would be mailed to me at home. Every month I would go through it. If there was a personal expense, I paid it. If it was a Party expense, the Party paid it. Now I recognize in hindsight I would do it different to avoid confusion. But the Republican Party never paid a single personal expense of mine — personal expense. This is unfortunately when this was initially reported in the press, it was made into something bigger than it actually is. I wouldn’t do it the same way again to avoid all these stories but the Republican Party never paid any of my personal expenses.” 

— Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), interview on “Good Morning America,” Nov. 4, 2015

Rubio’s handling of his state Republican Party-issued corporate card is under renewed scrutiny, as he emerges as a leading candidate for the GOP nomination. In a recent appearance on “Good Morning America,” Rubio addressed questions over his corporate card usage.

His answer gave us pause. His explanation seemed to rebut many of the claims we have read in recent media coverage of the credit card controversy. Was he rewriting history? We decided to dig into his explanation and the series of events that unfolded since the story broke in February 2010. And we found, for the most part, his story matches up.

The Facts

From 2005 to 2009, the Republican Party of Florida (RPOF) issued corporate cards to about 30 people, including legislators, senior officers, staff and fundraisers. Rubio was speaker of the state House of Representatives from November 2006 to November 2008.

A February 2010 Miami Herald/St. Petersburg Times report found Rubio was one of the state officials who charged personal expenses to party-issued corporate cards. This revelation came amid a larger scandal that found top officials in the state Republican Party ran amok misusing party funds with little to no oversight.

Rubio is correct that the card was a shared liability charge card. In fact, all American Express corporate cards in the U.S. are charge cards, which is a type of credit card that requires the bill to be paid in full every month. Late fees are incurred on the cardholder.

Rubio had told the Herald and Times that the party allowed him to put personal expenses on the card. He and the party reviewed the monthly bills. Rubio would identify personal expenses and pay those charges directly to American Express, he said. Rubio was running for U.S. Senate at the time of the report. He accused his opponent, then-Florida governor Charlie Crist, of leaking his corporate card statements to the media out of desperation.

It’s unclear what the party’s policy was over personal charges on the corporate card — or if party officials even knew what what the policy was. Contemporaneous news coverage shows conflicting statements by party officials. A party spokeswoman told the Herald and Times that the card was not supposed to be used for personal expenses.

A month later, the same spokeswoman told PolitiFact Florida that personal expenses were not explicitly prohibited, but that such expenses “were expected to be paid through a reimbursement, or in some cases directly to American Express.” She told PolitiFact Florida that there was no written policy on the use of the cards.

Yet a September 2010 independent audit of the party’s credit card usage found that there was, indeed, a policy in its — surprise! — policy manual. Corporate cards were “for RPOF business use only,” the manual said, and some cardholders also were told verbally that they could only use the card for party-related business. But auditors also found poor internal controls for handling expenses, and that spending ultimately was done at the approval of then-party chairman, Jim Greer. (Greer was forced to resign as chairman over the controversy and later was sentenced to 18 months in prison for stealing $125,000 from the party.)

In his 2012 memoir, “An American Son,” Rubio wrote that he charged $160,000 in party-authorized charges between January 2005 and October 2008. His 2007 and 2008 records showed he paid $16,052 in personal expenses incurred on the card to American Express, and the party picked up $93,566 in charges related to party business.

The Herald and Times questioned some of his business charges, such as repairs to his family minivan that was damaged by parking attendants at a political function. (The party agreed to cover half of his insurance deductible, according to the Herald and Times report.) The meals he charged to the party card especially came under scrutiny, as Rubio received a $126 per diem given to state legislators to help cover food and lodging.

Other questionable charges ranged from $25.76 at Everglades Lumber for “supplies,” and $765 at Apple’s online store for “computer supplies.” At the time of the report, Rubio’s campaign did not provide an explanation for these charges. The next day, however, the campaign explained the charges questioned by the news outlets were incurred for business purposes. For example, the $25.76 charge was for office supplies, and the Apple store charge was for a computer hard drive and software to store political files.

While Rubio claimed he went through the bill monthly to pay his personal expenses, the Herald and Times reported there was a six-month period in 2007 where he made no contributions to the bill. Todd Harris, a top Rubio aide, offered a simple explanation to The Fact Checker: “We went back and looked. For that six-month period of statements, the reason Marco made no personal payments to AMEX is because he had no personal charges.”

The party has only released records from 2007 to 2009. Rubio’s campaign plans to release his corporate card statements from 2005 and 2006 within the coming weeks.

Rubio has admitted to accidentally charging personal expenses that should have been made to his personal card. In one instance, he wrote, he pulled the wrong card from his wallet to pay for pavers. In another, his travel agent mistakenly used the party card to pay for a November 2006 family reunion in Georgia. Rubio wrote that each time, he identified the charges when they showed up in the bills and paid them to American Express, not to the Republican Party.

The family reunion charges comprised 65 percent of his personal expenses charged to the corporate card, Rubio wrote. Corporate card statement records from early 2007 show that the charges incurred a balance on his account, and that Rubio made incremental payments to American Express to pay down the balance.

Rubio says the Republican Party “never paid a single personal expense of mine — personal expense.” As far as we can tell, there appears to be just one instance from 2007 to 2009 where he repaid directly to the party for a charge he should not have made on the party card. But this was not technically a personal expense.

Rubio had double-billed the party and state taxpayers $2,417.80 in airline tickets for state business. He paid for the tickets with his party-issued card, and then submitted reimbursement vouchers to the state. Rubio repaid the money to the party by writing a check, records show.

The auditors found that this was the only personal expense that Rubio should have repaid the party for between 2007 and 2009: “We asked to obtain additional information from Mr. Rubio about certain charges. Mr. Rubio provided us with that information and a sufficient explanation to allow us to confirm that the charges we questioned were, in fact, related to RPOF business.”

A Florida resident filed an ethics complaint against Rubio for his airline charges, among other allegations. The Florida Ethics Commission confirmed it was a billing mistake. The prosecutor for the commission found that the “level of negligence” exhibited by Rubio in confusing his cards, and then approving the reimbursement requests without recognizing the error, was “disturbing.” But the prosecutor did not find probable cause for an intentional wrongful act.

The party provided a statement attributed to Brad Herold, its executive director: “The Florida GOP has filed all necessary and required reports with the Florida Division of Elections and will not be releasing any additional information on historical finances.”

The Pinocchio Test

It appears Rubio has honed his explanation over the five years since the corporate card story broke.

He says it wasn’t a credit card, but a charge card. In fact, a charge card is a type of a credit card, but he’s on point drawing a technical difference between the two. Rubio has used the term “credit card” in his 2012 memoir in reference to his corporate card charges, and it is interesting that he has begun making this distinction in interviews. (His aide told the New York Times that Rubio had adopted a colloquial term for the card for his book.)

Rubio also says the Republican Party “never paid a single personal expense of mine — personal expense.” Notice the emphasis here. There was an instance when Rubio did repay the party for an expense that should not have been charged to the party; he double-billed the party and the state for airline tickets for state business. So, that is one example where he repaid the party rather than paying American Express directly, as he often notes. But technically, it was not for a personal purpose.

We don’t make a judgment call on whether Rubio should have made personal charges, or whether some of the charges the party paid for should have been considered as “party business.” But what readers should remember is that Rubio’s total charges — about $160,000 total on the corporate card — were relatively small compared to other state party officials who ran up $500,000, even $1.3 million, on their party cards. And although other presidential hopefuls, and even media outlets, keep pointing to the February 2010 news coverage that revealed Rubio’s personal charges, subsequent reports by the independent auditor and Florida Ethics Commission are worth reading, because they tell a fuller picture of how the saga unfolded.

Rubio’s carefully worded explanation doesn’t quite rise to the level of a Geppetto Checkmark, but it is accurate enough that it does not warrant even a single Pinocchio. Perhaps the release of the 2005-2006 card statements will change the outcome.

We’ll be keeping an eye on this issue but based on the information released so far, a mountain’s been made out of molehill,  by the media and Rubio’s opponents.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/06/heres-why-the-marco-rubios-corporate-card-saga-isnt-really-a-scandal/

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2015, 05:19:14 AM »
I read that Washington Post article.  It is not convincing.  

No one "accidentally" uses a corporate card for personal expenses.  No one.  As one of the article readers commented:

"B.S. This was a corporate card, under any definition. And EVERYONE who has a company card knows that they can't use it for personal business. Fed employees go to prison for mis-use, private employees may just get fired."

I had a corporate card a few jobs ago.  Used it for travel, car rentals, hotels, meals, etc.  I never once put a personal expense on it.  I never had to reimburse my employer for a personal expense.  Ever!  The closest I came to doing so was buying a small suitcase to replace my personal suitcase that got damaged while traveling for my employer.  I told my supervisor about it immediately, and she agreed the company would pay for it.

Using a corporate card to repave your driveway, repair your automobile, fund family vacations, etc--as Marco did--and then later claiming that you used the wrong card by mistake is so transparent as to be laughable.  His corporate card was American Express; his personal card was a MasterCard. How does anyone get those confused?

Marco was a man of limited means.  He used the corporate card to fund personal stuff and reimbursed the FL GOP only when caught or specifically asked to do so.  Nevermind the so called policy; why would anyone think it is OK to put a personal expense on a corporate card?  When this story initially broke Rubio blamed his political opponent for leaking the story and the media for covering it... as if they were to blame.  ::)

We have a saying where I come from, "Don't hang your hat where you can't reach."  Rubio is trying to do exactly that.  He lied about his family fleeing Castro's Cuba (they left a couple years before Castro came to power).  He missed tons of votes and is quitting the Senate because he claims to be "frustrated" by the political process... As if being President doesn't involve being frustrated.  ::)

Does anyone really think this fraud belongs in the White House? ???

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2015, 11:15:06 AM »
Back in 2010, Rubio was getting a LOT of heat locally for his shady financial stuff.  overlapping his govt work with his lobbyist work.  He got caught using funds and sold a bunch of shit to quickly pay it off.

I don't know that it's anything that'd remove him from the race - BUT we should all admit he took the wrong funds, despite very clear laws, got caught, and had to fix it.  As long as we're okay with that in our president, that's cool.  But anyone that denies it happened, or pretend rubio was the babe-in-woods who didn't know he couldn't spend that money to pay his bills?   Well, they are pieces of feces that obviously enjoy the carnal company of sheep.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2015, 12:15:10 PM »
No one "accidentally" uses a corporate card for personal expenses.

I agree.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2015, 07:35:41 PM »
Rubio charged more than $22,000 in personal expenses to the card while the account incurred more than $1,700 in delinquency and late fees over a four-year period while he was in the Florida legislature.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2015, 08:11:05 PM »
Inside Marco Rubio’s messy American Express statements
By Manuel Roig-Franzia, Sean Sullivan and Tom Hamburger

Surging Republican presidential candidate Marco Rubio sought to tamp down an escalating controversy Saturday, releasing previously secret records that detailed his use of a Florida Republican Party credit card for personal expenses.

The records, which cover a 22-month period in 2005 and 2006, combined with previously disclosed credit card statements, show that Rubio charged more than $22,000 in personal expenses to the card while the account incurred more than $1,700 in delinquency and late fees over a four-year period while he was in the Florida legislature.

Rubio has maintained that he paid out of his pocket for any personal expenses on the American Express card, which he used from 2005 to 2008. But he has been beset with questions from political rivals about his spending, and been criticized by opponents for his years-long refusal to detail personal spending and release statements for most of the first two years he had the card.

Rubio’s handling of the card gained renewed attention this past week after attacks by his 2016 presidential rival Donald Trump, who accused the Florida senator of being a “disaster” with his card and living beyond his means. The attack underscored the extent to which the credit card issue, and, more broadly, Rubio’s history of amassing high amounts of personal debt, stand out as potential political liabilities as his presidential campaign gains traction.

In a news release issued Saturday, Rubio’s campaign portrayed the issue as resolved, listing eight personal expenses from the newly released statements that it said Rubio had paid. But the campaign did not provide documentation showing those payments.

“Marco paid his personal charges directly to American Express,” the release said. “The Republican Party of Florida did not pay for any of Marco’s personal expenses.”

The information released Saturday, first reported by Politico and later distributed by Rubio’s campaign, shows that his personal charges included $3,756 to a tile company, $599 to an auto dealership and $1,745 in hotel and car rental costs in Las Vegas, where Rubio has family.

It’s unclear whether the bulk of late fees and penalties were paid personally by Rubio or by the Florida GOP. Rubio spokesman Todd Harris said, “When Marco was responsible for late fees, he paid them. When the party was responsible because it didn’t make its payments, it paid them.” A Florida GOP spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.

The American Express card had been a major perk for Rubio as he rose in prominence in Florida politics. It was granted to him by the state Republican Party to pay for recruiting candidates, raising campaign donations and other expenses related to his political work.

Things quickly got messy, the records show.

After his first month with the card, Rubio was notified that the bill had not been paid on time. On top of the Feb. 16, 2005, statement, there was an admonition from American Express in bold letters: “Your account is 30 days past due.” The warning was repeated again on top of the March bill, this time with a delinquency charge of $39.78 added. Harris said that these past-due payments had been the party’s responsibility because they were related to business charges that were supposed to be paid by the party.

The problems with bill paying only worsened in the coming years. For nine consecutive months in 2006 and 2007, the past-due warning appeared at the top of Rubio’s statements. In one month alone, his card was assessed a $388 delinquency fee.

Many of the charges on the card looked like legitimate business expenses — the drumbeat of schmoozing by a rising politician. But he also used the card for expenses large and small that appeared to be more personal, including $10,000 for 20 rooms at a luxury plantation resort.

Rubio’s American Express spending first surfaced during the 2010 campaign in reports by the Miami Herald and St. Petersburg Times.

Rubio accused one of his GOP primary opponents — then-Gov. Charlie Crist — of leaking information about the card to the media. He reiterated that allegation last week in New Hampshire after Trump’s attacks.

“It didn’t work then, and it won’t work now,” Rubio said.

The Florida Ethics Commission investigated Rubio’s credit card spending and dismissed a citizen complaint against him. According to an internal audit commissioned by the Florida GOP, Rubio repaid the state party for six airline tickets, costing $2,417, that he had double-billed to the party and the state government. The audit report states that Rubio was able to provide proof that other charges the auditor questioned were for business purposes, but it does not provide specifics.

The Florida GOP’s policy manual prohibited using the card for personal reasons, according to the audit. But some Florida GOP officials have publicly stated that such expenses were acceptable, as long as the cardholder paid for them personally.

Rubio has had long-standing struggles with money.

When he entered the Florida legislature in 2000, he was making $72,000 a year as a lawyer at a Miami law firm. But he pegged his net worth at zero in his first three required annual financial disclosure forms.

By 2002, he was making more money, drawing in $96,000 at another law firm, plus a $28,702 legislative salary. But his balance sheet looked even worse. His net worth had sunk below zero — to negative $103,000.

Rubio’s management of campaign cash also seemed chaotic. He formed two political committees and doled out money to relatives for services and expenses. He grappled with the handling of credit cards for committee business as he criss-crossed the state campaigning among his legislative colleagues for support to be elected House speaker, Rubio recalled in his 2012 memoir. He named his wife, Jeanette, as treasurer of one of the committees.

“That decision proved to be a disaster,” Rubio wrote. “I often used my or Jeanette’s personal credit cards to pay for many of the campaign’s expenditures. When I received my statement I would spend hours trying to figure out which were political, and which were personal.”

Rubio’s wife usually didn’t join him on trips, but when it came time to pay bills, Rubio wrote, “she had to jog my memory to determine which credit card purchases were campaign expenditures, sometimes weeks after I had made them. It was an imperfect accounting system, to say the least.”

Rubio’s rising stature in Tallahassee gave him access to an even larger source of money: the Republican Party of Florida. In early 2005, when Rubio was 33 years old, the party gave him the American Express card that he would use over the course of four years. In his memoir, Rubio says it was a credit card, the same term used in an internal audit by a firm hired by the party. But Rubio has also said it was a “charge card” because balances were supposed to be paid off each month.

In his memoir, Rubio said he spent about $160,000 on his card between January 2005 and October 2008. However, until Saturday’s disclosures, his spending in 2005 and 2006 has remained largely unknown except for a few nuggets — such as the plantation resort — that have been reported over the years or were included in his book.

“For example, I pulled the wrong card from my wallet to pay for pavers,” Rubio wrote in his memoir, “An American Son,” without giving an amount.

Charges that had been known prior to Saturday included a $133.95 expense at Churchill’s, an upscale Miami barber; and payments for 20 rooms for a Rubio family gathering at Melhana, a luxury resort on an old Georgia plantation about 30 miles north of the Florida capital. The rooms each cost $504 for a three-night stay, starting Nov. 21, 2006, the day Rubio was sworn in as Florida House speaker.

Rubio has said the barber charge was to purchase items for a raffle, and he blamed the resort charge on a mix-up by his travel agent. He has said he spotted the mistake and personally covered the $10,000 cost of the resort. But an additional $6,000 in charges at the resort also went on the party card of Richard Corcoran, who was then Rubio’s chief of staff and is now a Florida legislator in line to become House speaker.

Corcoran, who is backing Jeb Bush in the presidential race, said via e-mail Saturday that Rubio’s use of the GOP card reflected “ordinary business and political expenses.”

“These are decade-old credit card statements that have been audited extensively by independent outside auditors and found to be fine,” Corcoran said.

He added that it was common practice for cardholders to charge personal expenses and then write a personal check to cover those charges when the bill arrived. “If some of the personal charges on Marco’s bills slipped through the cracks, I’m sure it was an honest mistake, and one that he has rectified,” he said.

Rubio racked up dozens of charges at hotels and restaurants — not just political hot spots in Florida’s capital, but also fast-food places and a wine shop near his West Miami home. During a one-week stretch in 2007, he incurred a $1,042 charge at Marie Livingstone, a Tallahassee restaurant, and $1,465 at Walt Disney World. He has provided few details about the reasons for his trips and who he was entertaining at restaurants.

The records show that Rubio paid for his wife to take at least 12 flights from 2005 to 2008, costing more than $5,000. Most were between Tallahassee and Miami, but there were also trips to Chicago, Aspen and Washington. In the past, he has explained her travel by saying she was the first lady of the Florida House of Representatives. No such title exists officially, but it has been used by some speakers to describe their wives.

The longer Rubio had the card, the better he appeared to get at making sure the bill was paid.

In December 2008, the month after Rubio left office in the Florida House, a statement arrived asking for the last $285 he had charged.

“Your account is cancelled,” the statement read. “Please consider a Personal Card.”



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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2015, 09:11:32 PM »
LOL @ going to disney world on the party credit card.

LOL even harder at paying your car payment.

He's a lawyer.  He knew 100% what he was doing. 

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2015, 04:27:59 AM »
LOL @ going to disney world on the party credit card.

LOL even harder at paying your car payment.

He's a lawyer.  He knew 100% what he was doing.  

Each one of these personal expenses was an attempt at theft pure and simple... then he reimburses if/when asked.  If they never asked for reimbursement, he certainly would never have repaid.  And I would bet any amount of money that a few of his "personal expenses" were never flagged and he didn't have to reimburse for them.  That's the whole point of putting personal expenses on your corporate card... otherwise why do it?  He had his own personal credit card that he could have easily used.  You do not have to be a lawyer to know that your personal expenses do not be belong on a corporate card.  

Even now when I travel for work, my employer reimburses me for all expenses as long as I provide a receipt. This includes virtually anything--except things like alcohol.  Two weeks ago, I was at a resort in Arizona for business.  The hotel had a spa and while there I got a pedicure and a full body massage.  When it came time to pay, the clerk asked me if I wanted to bill it to my room (paid for by my employer).  I could have easily said yes.  Instead I said no and gave her my personal credit card.  That's what you do when you have a personal expense.  You do not bill it to the company and hope that no one catches it... forcing you to reimburse.

Rubio could have kept things very simple by not placing his personal expenses on his corporate card.

Disney World?  Really?   I rest my case.   ::)

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2015, 03:29:47 PM »
LOL @ going to disney world on the party credit card.

LOL even harder at paying your car payment.

He's a lawyer.  He knew 100% what he was doing. 

You do realize that he has since released everything related to this? It wasn't the "party credit card!" It was a charge card that was secured to his own name meaning his credit and such was at direct risk.

Did he pay for personal things with this card? Yes, but he has shown (as far as I can see) that he itemized them correctly, thus paying personal expenses with his own money and "party" expenses with Rep party money.

This is pretty weak and shallow as far as attacks go. Kind of a stretch, shows desperation on the part of the attacker.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2015, 03:32:34 PM »
Each one of these personal expenses was an attempt at theft pure and simple...

Oh brother.




You can do way better than this!

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2015, 09:28:42 AM »
Oh brother.




You can do way better than this!

LOL!   ;D  Love that picture. 

Definitely overstating things.  Although it is dangerous for a government official to use a government credit card for personal use, it's not uncommon at all for people in the private sector to do so and then reimburse the company.  So to say it never happens is inaccurate. 

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2015, 09:30:08 AM »
Rubio Campaign Releases Two Years of Credit Card Statements

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By Todd Beamon 
Saturday, 07 Nov 2015

Marco Rubio's campaign released nearly two year's worth of statements not previously available from his Republican Party of Florida credit card, showing that the first-term senator and presidential candidate made eight personal charges totaling more than $7,200.

During the period, from January 2005 to October 2006, Rubio made a total of 484 charges to the American Express card — for a total of $64,777.82.

The eight personal charges totaled $7,243.74.

Over four years, from January 2005 to December 2008, Rubio had 1,307 charges, for a total of $182,072.55.

His personal charges numbered 73, amounting to $22,003.19.

But Rubio's purchases were far less than other Republicans who succeeded him in the Florida House of Representatives, Politico reports. The amount totals about half of the $117,000 Rubio charged on the party's credit card after he was speaker of the Florida House from 2007 to 2008.
"Some of these charges are from more than 10 years ago, and the only people who ask about them today are the media and our political opponents," Todd Harris, a Rubio spokesman, told Politico. "We are releasing them now because Marco has nothing to hide."

Rubio, who has come under fire for his mishandling his personal finances, paid the personal charges directly to American Express, the campaign said in releasing the statements on Saturday.

The Republican Party of Florida paid for none of the senator's personal expenses. In addition, no taxpayer money was used to pay for any of the American Express charges, the campaign said.

Rubio's personal finances have become an issue in the campaign, with rivals accusing the senator of spending lavishly — and using it for personal business.

"We'll see what's happening with Rubio," front-runner Donald Trump said Friday on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

"He's starting to get hit hard on his credit-card things and other things that they're finding out."

Rubio has insisted that his credit-card dealings while in Florida were "not a big deal."

In his 2012 memoir "An American Son" he wrote that nearly all were for party business, "but from time to time a few personal expenses were charged to the card as well.

"Each time, I identified the charges and paid the costs myself, directly to American Express," he said in the book. "The Republican Party of Florida didn’t pay a single one of them."

According to the campaign, Rubio's meals and hotel expenses were all related to Republican Party business.

That included two charges during a trip to Walt Disney World, where his campaign said the Republican Party of Florida held most of its fundraisers.
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Hotel stays and meals were expenses typically found on campaign and political committee expense reports and credit-card statements.

The campaign said Rubio was frequently traveling across Florida and was raising money for the party, ABC News reports.

According to the statements, Rubio made nine purchases from florists — totaling $709 over the two years — as well as food and hotel charges, which included nearly $1,800 for food or lodging at Walt Disney World properties.

In Miami, where Rubio lives with his wife and two children, the senator spent $308.98 at the Conrad Hotel Atrio in February 2007. The charge included a $260.91 charge for food and beverages.

He also spent $162.07 at the Mandarin Oriental, also in Miami, in September 2007.

Rubio also charged travel expenses outside Florida to the card.

In August 2007, the senator spent $1,221 on food and hotel expenses in Boston.
He also charged $140 for two meals in New Hampshire on Jan. 6, 2008, two days before the 2008 New Hampshire primary.

The statements also show that Rubio charged Delta Airlines flights for his wife Jeanette Dousdebes Rubio.

These include $328.80 for travel from Washington to Miami and $444.40 for a flight from Miami to Tallahassee. The trips occurred in October 2007.

The next month, Rubio charged $723.60 on United Airlines for his wife to fly from Miami to Denver to Aspen.

Under Florida law, spousal travel can be paid for by campaign or political action committee funds. As such, these trips would be legal — but the statements did not make clear whether any of these expenses were personal or related to Republican Party business, ABC News reports.

He also charged $3,756.24 on Oct. 16, 2005 at the Iberia Tiles store in Florida. Rubio disclosed this charge in his book. This was paid to American Express on Nov. 15, 2005.

In addition, Rubio charged of $500 to the Braman Honda Inc. automobile dealership in Miami on May 12, 2006, and $99.45 on May 19, 2006. Both payments were made directly to American Express, the campaign said.

And on Dec. 7, 2005, Rubio charged $180 to the "Hoop It-Kick It-Let" children's sports-activity center.

The campaign said the senator paid American Express directly on Jan. 14, 2006.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2015, 07:20:47 AM »
Here’s why Marco Rubio’s corporate card saga isn’t really a scandal
By Michelle Ye Hee Lee
November 6, 2015   

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“People need to understand what they’re talking about. It wasn’t a credit card. It was an American Express charge card secured under my personal credit in conjunction with the [Republican] Party. Bills would be mailed to me at home. Every month I would go through it. If there was a personal expense, I paid it. If it was a Party expense, the Party paid it. Now I recognize in hindsight I would do it different to avoid confusion. But the Republican Party never paid a single personal expense of mine — personal expense. This is unfortunately when this was initially reported in the press, it was made into something bigger than it actually is. I wouldn’t do it the same way again to avoid all these stories but the Republican Party never paid any of my personal expenses.” 

— Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), interview on “Good Morning America,” Nov. 4, 2015

Rubio’s handling of his state Republican Party-issued corporate card is under renewed scrutiny, as he emerges as a leading candidate for the GOP nomination. In a recent appearance on “Good Morning America,” Rubio addressed questions over his corporate card usage.

His answer gave us pause. His explanation seemed to rebut many of the claims we have read in recent media coverage of the credit card controversy. Was he rewriting history? We decided to dig into his explanation and the series of events that unfolded since the story broke in February 2010. And we found, for the most part, his story matches up.

The Facts

From 2005 to 2009, the Republican Party of Florida (RPOF) issued corporate cards to about 30 people, including legislators, senior officers, staff and fundraisers. Rubio was speaker of the state House of Representatives from November 2006 to November 2008.

A February 2010 Miami Herald/St. Petersburg Times report found Rubio was one of the state officials who charged personal expenses to party-issued corporate cards. This revelation came amid a larger scandal that found top officials in the state Republican Party ran amok misusing party funds with little to no oversight.

Rubio is correct that the card was a shared liability charge card. In fact, all American Express corporate cards in the U.S. are charge cards, which is a type of credit card that requires the bill to be paid in full every month. Late fees are incurred on the cardholder.

Rubio had told the Herald and Times that the party allowed him to put personal expenses on the card. He and the party reviewed the monthly bills. Rubio would identify personal expenses and pay those charges directly to American Express, he said. Rubio was running for U.S. Senate at the time of the report. He accused his opponent, then-Florida governor Charlie Crist, of leaking his corporate card statements to the media out of desperation.

It’s unclear what the party’s policy was over personal charges on the corporate card — or if party officials even knew what what the policy was. Contemporaneous news coverage shows conflicting statements by party officials. A party spokeswoman told the Herald and Times that the card was not supposed to be used for personal expenses.

A month later, the same spokeswoman told PolitiFact Florida that personal expenses were not explicitly prohibited, but that such expenses “were expected to be paid through a reimbursement, or in some cases directly to American Express.” She told PolitiFact Florida that there was no written policy on the use of the cards.

Yet a September 2010 independent audit of the party’s credit card usage found that there was, indeed, a policy in its — surprise! — policy manual. Corporate cards were “for RPOF business use only,” the manual said, and some cardholders also were told verbally that they could only use the card for party-related business. But auditors also found poor internal controls for handling expenses, and that spending ultimately was done at the approval of then-party chairman, Jim Greer. (Greer was forced to resign as chairman over the controversy and later was sentenced to 18 months in prison for stealing $125,000 from the party.)

In his 2012 memoir, “An American Son,” Rubio wrote that he charged $160,000 in party-authorized charges between January 2005 and October 2008. His 2007 and 2008 records showed he paid $16,052 in personal expenses incurred on the card to American Express, and the party picked up $93,566 in charges related to party business.

The Herald and Times questioned some of his business charges, such as repairs to his family minivan that was damaged by parking attendants at a political function. (The party agreed to cover half of his insurance deductible, according to the Herald and Times report.) The meals he charged to the party card especially came under scrutiny, as Rubio received a $126 per diem given to state legislators to help cover food and lodging.

Other questionable charges ranged from $25.76 at Everglades Lumber for “supplies,” and $765 at Apple’s online store for “computer supplies.” At the time of the report, Rubio’s campaign did not provide an explanation for these charges. The next day, however, the campaign explained the charges questioned by the news outlets were incurred for business purposes. For example, the $25.76 charge was for office supplies, and the Apple store charge was for a computer hard drive and software to store political files.

While Rubio claimed he went through the bill monthly to pay his personal expenses, the Herald and Times reported there was a six-month period in 2007 where he made no contributions to the bill. Todd Harris, a top Rubio aide, offered a simple explanation to The Fact Checker: “We went back and looked. For that six-month period of statements, the reason Marco made no personal payments to AMEX is because he had no personal charges.”

The party has only released records from 2007 to 2009. Rubio’s campaign plans to release his corporate card statements from 2005 and 2006 within the coming weeks.

Rubio has admitted to accidentally charging personal expenses that should have been made to his personal card. In one instance, he wrote, he pulled the wrong card from his wallet to pay for pavers. In another, his travel agent mistakenly used the party card to pay for a November 2006 family reunion in Georgia. Rubio wrote that each time, he identified the charges when they showed up in the bills and paid them to American Express, not to the Republican Party.

The family reunion charges comprised 65 percent of his personal expenses charged to the corporate card, Rubio wrote. Corporate card statement records from early 2007 show that the charges incurred a balance on his account, and that Rubio made incremental payments to American Express to pay down the balance.

Rubio says the Republican Party “never paid a single personal expense of mine — personal expense.” As far as we can tell, there appears to be just one instance from 2007 to 2009 where he repaid directly to the party for a charge he should not have made on the party card. But this was not technically a personal expense.

Rubio had double-billed the party and state taxpayers $2,417.80 in airline tickets for state business. He paid for the tickets with his party-issued card, and then submitted reimbursement vouchers to the state. Rubio repaid the money to the party by writing a check, records show.

The auditors found that this was the only personal expense that Rubio should have repaid the party for between 2007 and 2009: “We asked to obtain additional information from Mr. Rubio about certain charges. Mr. Rubio provided us with that information and a sufficient explanation to allow us to confirm that the charges we questioned were, in fact, related to RPOF business.”

A Florida resident filed an ethics complaint against Rubio for his airline charges, among other allegations. The Florida Ethics Commission confirmed it was a billing mistake. The prosecutor for the commission found that the “level of negligence” exhibited by Rubio in confusing his cards, and then approving the reimbursement requests without recognizing the error, was “disturbing.” But the prosecutor did not find probable cause for an intentional wrongful act.

The party provided a statement attributed to Brad Herold, its executive director: “The Florida GOP has filed all necessary and required reports with the Florida Division of Elections and will not be releasing any additional information on historical finances.”

The Pinocchio Test

It appears Rubio has honed his explanation over the five years since the corporate card story broke.

He says it wasn’t a credit card, but a charge card. In fact, a charge card is a type of a credit card, but he’s on point drawing a technical difference between the two. Rubio has used the term “credit card” in his 2012 memoir in reference to his corporate card charges, and it is interesting that he has begun making this distinction in interviews. (His aide told the New York Times that Rubio had adopted a colloquial term for the card for his book.)

Rubio also says the Republican Party “never paid a single personal expense of mine — personal expense.” Notice the emphasis here. There was an instance when Rubio did repay the party for an expense that should not have been charged to the party; he double-billed the party and the state for airline tickets for state business. So, that is one example where he repaid the party rather than paying American Express directly, as he often notes. But technically, it was not for a personal purpose.

We don’t make a judgment call on whether Rubio should have made personal charges, or whether some of the charges the party paid for should have been considered as “party business.” But what readers should remember is that Rubio’s total charges — about $160,000 total on the corporate card — were relatively small compared to other state party officials who ran up $500,000, even $1.3 million, on their party cards. And although other presidential hopefuls, and even media outlets, keep pointing to the February 2010 news coverage that revealed Rubio’s personal charges, subsequent reports by the independent auditor and Florida Ethics Commission are worth reading, because they tell a fuller picture of how the saga unfolded.

Rubio’s carefully worded explanation doesn’t quite rise to the level of a Geppetto Checkmark, but it is accurate enough that it does not warrant even a single Pinocchio. Perhaps the release of the 2005-2006 card statements will change the outcome.

We’ll be keeping an eye on this issue but based on the information released so far, a mountain’s been made out of molehill,  by the media and Rubio’s opponents.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/06/heres-why-the-marco-rubios-corporate-card-saga-isnt-really-a-scandal/

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2015, 08:23:44 AM »
Don't mind me... I accidentally pulled out the wrong card to charge that $3700 expense to the paving company.

Oops.  I mistakenly pulled out the wrong card to take my family to Disney World.

Perdóname ... I just kept pulling out the wrong card to charge my personal expenses...

Happens to all of us, right?

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2015, 09:53:20 AM »
I rank this right up there with Rubio's luxury speed boat.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2015, 10:00:49 AM »
I think the real story is the terrible record-keeping by Florida Republicans. 

But if Rubio was serious about showing himself to be a good leader, he wouldn't have put himself in this position.  As a mater of fact, he would have called for an immediate end to this sort of messy bookkeeping.  That's what a real leader would have done.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2015, 10:59:36 AM »
I rank this right up there with Rubio's luxury speed boat.

youve always had a soft spot for marco.


anyway, the rate at which he liquidated his retirement to quickly pay off these debts showed it was 1) unplanned 2) fixed fast for a POTUS run.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2015, 03:24:33 PM »
I think the real story is the terrible record-keeping by Florida Republicans. 

But if Rubio was serious about showing himself to be a good leader, he wouldn't have put himself in this position.  As a mater of fact, he would have called for an immediate end to this sort of messy bookkeeping.  That's what a real leader would have done.

youve always had a soft spot for marco.

anyway, the rate at which he liquidated his retirement to quickly pay off these debts showed it was 1) unplanned 2) fixed fast for a POTUS run.

Exactly. And remember the excuse he used for liquidating?  He said he needed the money to buy a refrigerator.  ::)

He has the backing of a local billionaire who has given him "jobs" with no real work on top of his legislator's salary--and even hired his wife at undisclosed pay, yet he still cannot manage his personal finances.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2015, 03:37:22 PM »
I see no issue with this.

My Amex goes towards personal charges sometimes and I mark off those items in my expenses as personal and pay them out of my own pocket.

This is very common.

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Re: Rubio calls Trump’s credit card attacks ‘ironic’
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2015, 04:14:17 PM »
Exactly. And remember the excuse he used for liquidating?  He said he needed the money to buy a refrigerator.  ::)

He has the backing of a local billionaire who has given him "jobs" with no real work on top of his legislator's salary--and even hired his wife at undisclosed pay, yet he still cannot manage his personal finances.

But whatever could go wrong?

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This part bothers me:

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It’s unclear what the party’s policy was over personal charges on the corporate card — or if party officials even knew what what the policy was. Contemporaneous news coverage shows conflicting statements by party officials. A party spokeswoman told the Herald and Times that the card was not supposed to be used for personal expenses.

Then an adjustment.

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A month later, the same spokeswoman told PolitiFact Florida that personal expenses were not explicitly prohibited, but that such expenses “were expected to be paid through a reimbursement, or in some cases directly to American Express.” She told PolitiFact Florida that there was no written policy on the use of the cards.

IOW, a money-pissing culture existed which Rubio not only didn't stand against, he took advantage of it.

That's what it looks like, but maybe I'm wrong.

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