Author of Carson hit piece

[Coach is Back!]

Hilary had a massive donor weekend right after Benghazi hearings.

It's what the base does.  They're rabid. 

Show me a legit link to this and then I want you and everyone else to explain why you're voting for it.

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Thanks for making my point. Put a (D) by Carson's name and the liberal press would be practically having orgasms about this narrative.

Carson was basically told that, if he applied to West Point, he'd be a virtual lock to get in the place.

That, for all practical purposes, is a scholarship offer especially coming from a flag officer.

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so he had dinner with him like he said and was offered a full scholarship.

his words

"In the memoir, "Gifted Hands," Carson wrote about meeting a prominent US general and later being offered a scholarship to the US military institution.

"I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners," Carson wrote of a 1969 meeting with Gen. William Westmoreland, who had been in command of US forces in Vietnam."

This is a complete lie.

"Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point."

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hahahahahahahahahahahaha haha

so he had dinner with him like he said and was offered a full scholarship.

his words

"In the memoir, "Gifted Hands," Carson wrote about meeting a prominent US general and later being offered a scholarship to the US military institution.

"I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners," Carson wrote of a 1969 meeting with Gen. William Westmoreland, who had been in command of US forces in Vietnam."

This is a complete lie.

"Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point."

Please! Have you had an administrator from a school have dinner with you and your family and basically tell you that, if you apply to get into their school, you're in, full-ride and all?

I have. That happened to me in 1991, which is why I ended up going to FAMU. The guy (executive assistant to then-FAMU president, Fred Humphries) basically told my mother that all she had to do is pack me a suitcase, send me to Tallahassee, and FAMU would take care of the rest. And they did just that.

I hadn't even heard of FAMU prior to 1990. Yet, they'd been trying to reach me for months, after I made National Merit/Achievement Semi-Finalist in high school.

So you're really going to suggest that Carson could EASILY get into Yale but not West Point, especially since he was the #1 JROTC guy in his city?

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I am suggesting he is a liar as evidenced by his own words, he was not offered a scholarship. You have a tendency of just making up arguments, where did I imply he could not get into west point? the guy is smart, but he lies, a lot. He also has some wacky ideas and his fiscal policies make no sense, it's like he has been studying to be a doctor not an economist.

He has been caught lying about his past, his violent history, mannatech, he gave a speech at their conference then denied affiliation when shit hit the fan.

He is a manipulator.

[Coach is Back!]

I see this thread is still going and you idiots still haven't figured out that the left fabricated the story. But you'll give Obama and Killary a pass.

http://mediaassets.620wtmj.com/cms/110915_sykes_show_part_2.mp3?_ga=1.207875602.1463568176.1447168805

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I am suggesting he is a liar as evidenced by his own words, he was not offered a scholarship. You have a tendency of just making up arguments, where did I imply he could not get into west point? the guy is smart, but he lies, a lot. He also has some wacky ideas and his fiscal policies make no sense, it's like he has been studying to be a doctor not an economist.

He has been caught lying about his past, his violent history, mannatech, he gave a speech at their conference then denied affiliation when shit hit the fan.

He is a manipulator.

Manipulator of what? His mother verified the near-stabbing incident in an article done 18 years ago.

If Westmoreland told him that all he has to do is apply to West Point and it's a done deal, that (to anyone with an ounce of common sense, especially since Carson was Detroit's #1 JROTC guy) is a scholarship offer.

Having had something similar happen to me, I can relate to what Dr Carson is saying, thus making your claim that he's lying about this utterly ludicrous.

And what exactly has hit the fan? Carson raised over $3 million since this hack job surfaced and he now leads Trump in South Carolina.

[MCWAY]

I see this thread is still going and you idiots still haven't figured out that the left fabricated the story. But you'll give Obama and Killary a pass.

http://mediaassets.620wtmj.com/cms/110915_sykes_show_part_2.mp3?_ga=1.207875602.1463568176.1447168805

The idea of an official from a school, telling a kid that he gets a full ride and applying is a mere formality (about which I know firsthand) zips over their heads.

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Manipulator of what? His mother verified the near-stabbing incident in an article done 18 years ago.

If Westmoreland told him that all he has to do is apply to West Point and it's a done deal, that (to anyone with an ounce of common sense, especially since Carson was Detroit's #1 JROTC guy) is a scholarship offer.

Having had something similar happen to me, I can relate to what Dr Carson is saying, thus making your claim that he's lying about this utterly ludicrous.

And what exactly has hit the fan? Carson raised over $3 million since this hack job surfaced and he now leads Trump in South Carolina.

I agree.  This is pretty stupid.  I've been offered numerous jobs that were never formal offers.  That kind of stuff happens all the time.  

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The idea of an official from a school, telling a kid that he gets a full ride and applying is a mere formality (about which I know firsthand) zips over their heads.

yet he never applied nor was ever offered an appointment to West Point

In fact he was never even nominated and it's not clear that the Chief of Staff on the Army can even nominate someone.

West Point website indicates it would have to have been the Secretary of the Army

And I guess you assume that EVERYONE who is nominated (again Carson never was) always gets accepted and applying is a "mere formality"

I wonder if the Army considers it a mere formality as well?

http://www.usma.edu/admissions/sitepages/apply_nominations.aspx

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yet he never applied nor was ever offered an appointment to West Point

In fact he was never even nominated and it's not clear that the Chief of Staff on the Army can even nominate someone.

West Point website indicates it would have to have been the Secretary of the Army

And I guess you assume that EVERYONE who is nominated (again Carson never was) always gets accepted and applying is a "mere formality"

I wonder if the Army considers it a mere formality as well?

http://www.usma.edu/admissions/sitepages/apply_nominations.aspx

Please!!

Those closest to the situation make the recommendation. If the lower-level folks OK, the upper-level guys basically sign off on it, just to get it off their desks.

During my military tenure, if my leading petty officers and Chiefs approve leave for junior sailors in my division, I simply approved it and passed it up to my Department Head. Barring some emergency or unusual situation, the executive officer and commanding officer OKs the leave request.

Heck, in most cases, it never makes it to them because they've authorized the department heads to be the final stop on leave requests.

[240 is Back]

Carson claimed westmoreland was there and extended the offer. 

Was westmoreland actually there? 

[Straw Man]

Please!!

Those closest to the situation make the recommendation. If the lower-level folks OK, the upper-level guys basically sign off on it, just to get it off their desks.

During my military tenure, if my leading petty officers and Chiefs approve leave for junior sailors in my division, I simply approved it and passed it up to my Department Head. Barring some emergency or unusual situation, the executive officer and commanding officer OKs the leave request.

Heck, in most cases, it never makes it to them because they've authorized the department heads to be the final stop on leave requests.

ok, you want to fantasize that Westmoreland would have then had to ask the Secretary of the Army (or someone else on that list to nominate him)

fine, let's entertain your fantasy

then Carson would have had to apply

of course he was never nominated and never applied

then he would have had to compete against all the other applicants

again, he was never nominated and never applied

but all that is just a mere formality

I met an astronaut when I was a kid and he told me one day I could be an astronaut too

I now tell people NASA offered me a job as an astronaut but I turned them down

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ok, you want to fantasize that Westmoreland would have then had to ask the Secretary of the Army (or someone else on that list to nominate him)

fine, let's entertain your fantasy

then Carson would have had to apply

of course he was never nominated and never applied

Exactly. He never said he applied. He made up his mind he was going to either Harvard or Yale.

The offer was informal and he never followed up on it .You now have six toes.

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Exactly. He never said he applied. He made up his mind he was going to either Harvard or Yale.

The offer was informal and he never followed up on it .You now have six toes.

he also was never offered a scholarship

that was just a 100% lie and shows total disrespect for the men and women who actually made the effort and did receive an appointment to West Point

[MCWAY]

I agree.  This is pretty stupid.  I've been offered numerous jobs that were never formal offers.  That kind of stuff happens all the time.  

And lost in all of this, neither Straw nor 240 can give a motive as to why Carson would need to lie about this, as it has been his life story long before he even ran for president.

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he also was never offered a scholarship

that was just a 100% lie and shows total disrespect for the men and women who actually made the effort and did receive an appointment to West Point

Not even close. And the backlash that Politico got for pushing the same mess that you are pretty much says it all.

[Straw Man]

And lost in all of this, neither Straw nor 240 can give a motive as to why Carson would need to lie about this, as it has been his life story long before he even ran for president.

motive

how about writing a self aggrandizing autobiography

McWay - please pace yourself.  There are going to be many more lies of Carson's that you're going to feel compelled to defend.  You don't want to burn yourself out too soon.

BTW - I think we all know pathological liars in our life.  They have no need for a motive to lie.  They are just liars.  That is who they are.   We all know these people

[Straw Man]

Not even close. And the backlash that Politico got for pushing the same mess that you are pretty much says it all.

the backlash?

you mean that they continue to include the story on their site and say that "POLITICO stands by its reporting on this story"

yeah, that's a huge "backlash"

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598#ixzz3r7GyL6oM

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motive

how about writing a self aggrandizing autobiography

McWay - please pace yourself.  There are going to be many more lies of Carson's that you're going to feel compelled to defend.  You don't want to burn yourself out too soon.

BTW - I think we all know pathological liars in our life.  They have no need for a motive to lie.  They are just liars.  That is who they are.   We all know these people

Four toes and counting. You would think after seeing the beating CNN and Politico took, you wouldn't be silly enough to push their same narrative.

Of course, their motive for lying about Carson is easy. Carson has become a/the GOP front-runner and has a good shot at beating H. Clinton next year.

[Straw Man]

Four toes and counting. You would think after seeing the beating CNN and Politico took, you wouldn't be silly enough to push their same narrative.

Of course, their motive for lying about Carson is easy. Carson has become a/the GOP front-runner and has a good shot at beating H. Clinton next year.

Seriously dude, are you hallucinating

The story still stands and has not been retracted

That is a FACT

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598#ixzz3r7GyL6oM

Seriously....WTF man.....are you not aware of this?

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Seriously dude, are you hallucinating

The story still stands and has not been retracted

That is a FACT

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598#ixzz3r7GyL6oM

Seriously....WTF man.....are you not aware of this?

Three toes and counting. Check the headline Politico put up Friday. Now look what it is now.

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!!!

Politico claimed that Carson's campaign admitted to fabricating the West Point story. That was complete BS, which his campaign and Carson himself shot down in mere hours.

After Politico got beat up for spewing that garbage, their hacks tucked their tails between them legs and changed their "exclusive" to merely state what Carson said from the start.

How do you stand by your story when you change the headline, after a claim that Carson confessed to fabrication blows up in your face, and make a statement that's only been in Carson's book for TWENTY-FIVE YEARS?

[240 is Back]

Westmoreland - was he at the dinner as Carson claimed?

[Straw Man]

Three toes and counting. Check the headline Politico put up Friday. Now look what it is now.

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!!!

Politico claimed that Carson's campaign admitted to fabricating the West Point story. That was complete BS, which his campaign and Carson himself shot down in mere hours.

After Politico got beat up for spewing that garbage, their hacks tucked their tails between them legs and changed their "exclusive" to merely state what Carson said from the start.

How do you stand by your story when you change the headline, after a claim that Carson confessed to fabrication blows up in your face, and make a statement that's only been in Carson's book for TWENTY-FIVE YEARS?

nice of you to join us in reality and admit that the actual story has not changed at all and they completely stand behind it

you did read beyond the headline....right?

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nice of you to join us in reality and admit that the actual story has not changed at all and they completely stand behind it

you did read beyond the headline....right?

I've bee in reality. You're the one late to the party. Politico changed their story and headline after they got burned, when Carson and his campaign struck back.

You don't stick by the story by changing the headline (the very crux of their so-called exclusive).

They claimed that Carson admitted to fabricating the a West Point story. That was bogus. Sticking by the story would be for Politico to MAINTAIN that Carson admitted to this alleged fabrication.

I suggest you stop your clue-free diet. It ain't healthy.

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I've bee in reality. You're the one late to the party. Politico changed their story and headline after they got burned, when Carson and his campaign struck back.

You don't stick by the story by changing the headline (the very crux of their so-called exclusive).

They claimed that Carson admitted to fabricating the a West Point story. That was bogus. Sticking by the story would be for Politico to MAINTAIN that Carson admitted to this alleged fabrication.

I suggest you stop your clue-free diet. It ain't healthy.

Is the "change" you're talking about where Politico completely stands by the story

that is in fact a "change" that was not in the original story

Carsons campaign conceded he never applied and Politico reported that as their campaign conceding he had fabricated the story.

That is a totally valid characterization of his statement because in order to receive "a full scholarship" he would have first had to have been nominated, then applied and then accepted.

None of those things happened ....thus Carson lied and the story of his offer of full scholarship is a fabrication

Politico changed their headline to report that Carsons campaign said their statement was not a concession of fabrication but Politico stands by the story (which is why it was not retracted) and simply reported the campaigns new claim

Let me know if I've missed anything