Obama: Gun Control Is 'One Thing' I Still Want to Do

[headhuntersix]

You can't....what limit mags...ok fine I can dump a 7-10 round mag and change and be back on target with a pistol in under 2 seconds. Watch somebody who's good...I'm not even fast. Some wack job can practice for a few days and that won't be an issue. The warning signs for some of these people were there..and then we have the terror attacks which seem to get lumped in. Make no mistake Obama and the left would love to shitcan the 2nd amendment.

[OzmO]

If he is talking about gun control before the facts come in,

You said that several times now.  i got it the first time.  You seem to be stuck on it.  yes i get it, he did a politics move.  "...call the police there's mad man in town!"  the sky is falling.  

and the facts routinely do not support the notion that "stricter gun control laws" would have prevented the killing, then he must be talking about a policy change that will hurt law abiding gun owners.  

So its definitely "either or" and you know for sure what he's thinking?  What exact policy change has he proposed?

For example, the last shooting where he admitted making the issue "political" and made vague comments about doing something does nothing but create questions in my mind about his motives.  And I'm not some card-carrying NRA member.  I don't trust him.  

So you are questioning his motives and deciding what they are at the same time?  And you are doing this without a proposed policy or a proposed law before congress?   Meanwhile according the brady campaign on gun control OB received and "F".  

What, specifically, are we going to do to stop mass shooters who are mentally competent law abiding citizens, without adversely affecting all gun owners?  

So basically you are going to whine about what OB says, not propose any solutions and speculate about his motives.  Got it.

Had it right here a few posts ago:  

I have to wonder.  What's the GOP and conservatives stance/solution on mass shootings?  Do they have a stance?  do they think there is a problem?

Or is this all conservatives do?   Whine about Obama says?  Whine about what so anti-gun clown says?  Play chicken little?  Play idiot CT-er?

Any regulation will make it harder for law abiding people to own guns.  And it will HURT THEM!!!!!!!!        Just like a driver's test, driver's education, insurance etc...

Just like a fork lift license, OMFG!!!!!!!!!!   we made it harder for the competent law abiding fork lift operators to operate a fork lift.   THIS IS TYRANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA is the kenyan satan!!!!!!!!!

JFC, the conservative whiny song and dance is so old.

[OzmO]

I'll stake my position and its intractable....not an inch..not one fucking inch on guns ever for any reason. Enforce the laws that are there. No machine guns have been used in any mass shootings so we can stop with the military style bullshit and semi auto shit. I don't have a class three and at this point don't want one. I'd like a suppressor but a grand for a round chunk of metal I'll use maybe twice a year..sorry. Your are blind if you think they want common sense reform...which is what by the way? What laws need to be put on the books that aren't there now. Gun shows...hmmmm I seem to remember getting a check done at one, along with the ATF Nazi's checking ID's. I'm going to a huge one this weekend, I'll let you know. Anyway mental health is a separate issue from this. I've purchased two guns this month...you planning on limiting that Barry....I know he'd love to start there. Or ID for ammo or a database...nope sorry not one fucking inch on this.

Are machine guns legal?

[OzmO]

You can't....what limit mags...ok fine I can dump a 7-10 round mag and change and be back on target with a pistol in under 2 seconds. Watch somebody who's good...I'm not even fast. Some wack job can practice for a few days and that won't be an issue. The warning signs for some of these people were there..and then we have the terror attacks which seem to get lumped in. Make no mistake Obama and the left would love to shitcan the 2nd amendment.

I agree, mag limits won't change anything.

[Dos Equis]

You said that several times now.  i got it the first time.  You seem to be stuck on it.  yes i get it, he did a politics move.  "...call the police there's mad man in town!"  the sky is falling. 

So its definitely "either or" and you know for sure what he's thinking?  What exact policy change has he proposed?

So you are questioning his motives and deciding what they are at the same time?  And you are doing this without a proposed policy or a proposed law before congress?

So basically you are going to whine about what OB says, not propose and any solutions and speculate about his motives.  Got it.

Had it right here a few posts ago: 


Any regulation will make it harder for law abiding people to own guns.  Just like a driver's test, driver's education, insurance etc...

Just like a fork lift license, OMFG!!!!!!!!!!   we made it harder for the competent law abiding fork lift operators to operate a fork lift.   THIS IS TYRANNY!!!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA is the kenyan satan!!!!!!!!!

JFC, the conservative whiny song and dance is so old.

You get it?  Are you sure?  Because after you said I "strongly implied" something, I correct you, you still make the same comment.  I'm not sure you actually get it.      

No, the sky isn't falling.  Nobody is whining.  That's just hyperbole.  Doesn't help make whatever point you're trying to make.  Just offering an opinion.  

BTW, what is your point?  That there is no way the president or his minions will do anything to adversely affect law abiding gun owners?    

[OzmO]

You get it?  Are you sure?  Because after you said I "strongly implied" something, I correct you, you still make the same comment.  I'm not sure you actually get it.      

You strongly implied that that's not about preventing mass shooting but instead making it harder for law abiding peeps to own guns.  And you did it like cheap 2-bit propaganda minister especially in trying to deny it.  That's indisputable.   Had you put the "also" in your second sentence it would have changed the complete meaning.  "I think  they ALSO want to make it harder for law abiding citizens to own and carry guns."    

No, the sky isn't falling.  Nobody is whining.  That's just hyperbole.  Doesn't help make whatever point you're trying to make.  Just offering an opinion.  

No, you are whining, just like most conservatives... nit picking and Bitching about proposed policies that do not exist and unwilling to address the issue of mass shootings.

BTW, what is your point?  That there is no way the president or his minions will do anything to adversely affect law abiding gun owners?  

1.  You  served up BS propaganda.  I called you on it.  Get over it.

2.  You believe that he wants to "hurt" gun owners, based on him being a politician and speaking after a tragedy without facts.  And you believe this without any proposed policy and ignore his track record on gun control.

3.  All conservatives seem to do is whine about OB these and provide very little solutions to anything. (not finished with this point, as I am sure there are some good solutions out there from Conservatives, but i can't seem to hear because of all the crying)

4.  now you are making a attempt to change the course of the debate into something else by putting me on the defensive trying to get me to defend "That there is no way the president or his minions will do anything to adversely affect law abiding gun owners?"  more BS. 


Fork lift certification........Tyr anny in action!!!!!

[Dos Equis]

You strongly implied that that's not about preventing mass shooting but instead making it harder for law abiding peeps to own guns.  And you did it like cheap 2-bit propaganda minister especially in trying to deny it.  That's indisputable.   Had you put the "also" in your second sentence it would have changed the complete meaning.  "I think  they ALSO want to make it harder for law abiding citizens to own and carry guns."    


No, you are whining, just like most conservatives... nit picking and Bitching about proposed policies that do not exist and unwilling to address the issue of mass shootings.
 


1.  You  served up BS propaganda.  I called you on it.  Get over it.

2.  You believe that he wants to "hurt" gun owners, based on him being a politician and speaking after a tragedy without facts.  And you believe this without any proposed policy and ignore his track record on gun control.

3.  All conservatives seem to do is whine about OB these and provide very little solutions to anything. (not finished with this point, as I am sure there are some good solutions out there from Conservatives, but i can't seem to hear because of all the crying)

4.  now you are making a attempt to change the course of the debate into something else.

lol.  No, you clearly don't get it.  Now YOU quit yer whining when I repeat something, since that California smog is clearly clogging your brain.   

So you got nothing?  You just want to talk stink about people who do have an opinion, but are unable to offer one of your own.  No worries.  All comments are welcome. 

[OzmO]

lol.  No, you clearly don't get it.  Now YOU quit yer whining when I repeat something, since that California smog is clearly clogging your brain.  

So you got nothing?  You just want to talk stink about people who do have an opinion, but are unable to offer one of your own.  No worries.  All comments are welcome.  

Haha, fresh liberal no-whining air here.  Thanks to emission regulations that made it harder for law abiding drivers to drive their cars.  The Tyranny!!!!!!   ( i bet conservatives bitched like little sissy boys when emission control, smogs certs and such were increased in cali)

I got nothing what?

I have no problem with people's opinion but i do delight in pointing straight up BULL SHIT (sound out the words "bull shit" with a southern drawl) when i see it.   And this has been a fairly delightful time.  thank you sirrrrrrr.  

[OzmO]

I swear, the whole gun control BS is almost as bad the dems illegal Immigration campaign. 

[Dos Equis]

Haha, fresh liberal no-whining air here.  Thanks to emission regulations that made it harder for law abiding drivers to drive their cars.  The Tyranny!!!!!!   ( i bet conservatives bitched like little sissy boys when emission control, smogs certs and such were increased in cali)

I got nothing what?

I have no problem with people's opinion but i do delight in pointing straight up BULL SHIT (sound out the words "bull shit" with a southern drawl) when i see it.   And this has been a fairly delightful time.  thank you sirrrrrrr.  

Have all those emissions controls actually improved your air quality? 

I'm asking you what restrictions you believe can be imposed on mentally competent, law abiding citizens that will not adversely impact law abiding gun owners?

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[OzmO]

Have all those emissions controls actually improved your air quality? 

yes.

I'm asking you what restrictions you believe can be imposed on mentally competent, law abiding citizens that will not adversely impact law abiding gun owners?

I know you are asking me that.  i have asked you a few questions that you have dodged.  Answer those first and i will be happy to answer that for you.

in case your short term memory is acting up:

Was it thought that part of mandatory vehicle insurance was to maker it harder for careful drivers to own a car?
What was he promoting?
And how exactly is he affecting lawful gun owners?
What's the GOP and conservatives stance/solution on mass shootings?  Do they have a stance?  do they think there is a problem?  (count these as me asking you too)
So its definitely "either or" and you know for sure what he's thinking?
What exact policy change has he proposed?
So you are questioning his motives and deciding what they are at the same time?
And you are doing this without a proposed policy or a proposed law before congress?
I got nothing what?


I have no problems when someone avoids a question, (its telling)  but don't dodge this many and expect me to answer your question.    

[Dos Equis]

yes.


I know you are asking me that.  i have asked you a few questions that you have dodged.  Answer those first and i will be happy to answer that for you.

in case your short term memory is acting up:

Was it thought that part of mandatory vehicle insurance was to maker it harder for careful drivers to own a car?
What was he promoting?
And how exactly is he affecting lawful gun owners?
What's the GOP and conservatives stance/solution on mass shootings?  Do they have a stance?  do they think there is a problem?  (count these as me asking you too)
So its definitely "either or" and you know for sure what he's thinking?
What exact policy change has he proposed?
So you are questioning his motives and deciding what they are at the same time?
And you are doing this without a proposed policy or a proposed law before congress?
I got nothing what?


I have no problems when someone avoids a question, (its telling)  but don't dodge this many and expect me to answer your question.    

Dude you asked 11 questions.  You must be on crack.  lol   You pick one and I'll answer, then you answer mine. 

[OzmO]

Dude you asked 11 questions.  You must be on crack.  lol   You pick one and I'll answer, then you answer mine. 

Its not my fault you didn't answer them.

You should have done me the courtesy of answering them when i asked them.  Don't act like a liberal, be accountable.

Think of it like eating an elephant.......one bite at a time. 

 

Seriously though, tell me what you think should be done about these mass shootings and i will tell what i think.

[OzmO]

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Equally realistic and possible.

Albo?

is that her porn double?

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Albo?

is that her porn double?

She's an albino version of the movie star.

[OzmO]

She's an albino version of the movie star.

heheh cool

[Dos Equis]

Its not my fault you didn't answer them.

You should have done me the courtesy of answering them when i asked them.  Don't act like a liberal, be accountable.

Think of it like eating an elephant.......one bite at a time. 

 

Seriously though, tell me what you think should be done about these mass shootings and i will tell what i think.

lol  Ok.  I think we need to enforce the laws we have on the books.  I think we need to look at easing reporting restrictions imposed on treating professionals that will allow them to alert authorities if they believe their patients are a danger to society.  Individual states, cities, and counties should look at providing armed security personnel on public property.

Other than that, I'm not sure there is anything we could have done to prevent the most recent shootings without restricting lawful gun owners from purchasing and/or owning firearms.  

Now I'm asking you what restrictions you believe can be imposed on mentally competent, law abiding citizens that will not adversely impact law abiding gun owners?

[OzmO]

lol  Ok.  I think we need to enforce the laws we have on the books.  I think we need to look at easing reporting restrictions imposed on treating professionals that will allow them to alert authorities if they believe their patients are a danger to society.  Individual states, cities, and counties should look at providing armed security personnel on public property.

Other than that, I'm not sure there is anything we could have done to prevent the most recent shootings without restricting lawful gun owners from purchasing and/or owning firearms.  

Now I'm asking you what restrictions you believe can be imposed on mentally competent, law abiding citizens that will not adversely impact law abiding gun owners?

I agree with the things you suggested and agree mass shootings can't all be prevented.

I am considering these (relevant to trying to prevent mass shootings) but haven't fully thought them out:

-  BG checks on all firearm purchases...  Violent felonies such as armed robbery, domestic violence with a firearm and murder makes it so that your right to own a gun is forfeit indefinitely or a predetermined period. 

-  Some sort of BG check for mental health

-  if they are on certain Mental meds 

My daughter goes to college here in California.  The day before Halloween they had a lock down because the college security force was alerted to a gunman on campus.  She called me locked in from the library.  It turned out to be a mistaken costume.

I think this is a heavily spun issue.  The connection of gun laws such as mag limits, safety classes, registration, to mass shootings is as invalid as refuges and immigration is to illegal immigration.   But yet both are being used the same way with propaganda.

[Dos Equis]

I agree with the things you suggested and agree mass shootings can't all be prevented.

I am considering these (relevant to trying to prevent mass shootings) but haven't fully thought them out:

-  BG checks on all firearm purchases...  Violent felonies such as armed robbery, domestic violence with a firearm and murder makes it so that your right to own a gun is forfeit indefinitely or a predetermined period. 

-  Some sort of BG check for mental health

-  if they are on certain Mental meds 

My daughter goes to college here in California.  The day before Halloween they had a lock down because the college security force was alerted to a gunman on campus.  She called me locked in from the library.  It turned out to be a mistaken costume.

I think this is a heavily spun issue.  The connection of gun laws such as mag limits, safety classes, registration, to mass shootings is as invalid as refuges and immigration is to illegal immigration.   But yet both are being used the same way with propaganda.

I'm open to some of this.  I don't have a problem with background checks.  I do see problems with mental health and meds checks.  It sounds reasonable, but I'm not sure how you enforce it without unnecessarily infringing on a lot of people.

There is spin on both sides, although I'm less trustful of the president.  I don't blame gun owners at all for being paranoid.   

[tonymctones]

Oz would you consider a ban on "assault weapons" something that prevents law abiding citizens from owning guns?

[OzmO]

I'm open to some of this.  I don't have a problem with background checks.  I do see problems with mental health and meds checks.  It sounds reasonable, but I'm not sure how you enforce it without unnecessarily infringing on a lot of people.

There is spin on both sides, although I'm less trustful of the president.  I don't blame gun owners at all for being paranoid.   

I do blame them.  Talking heads, op eds, and politicians are using this fear and hand feeding it to conservatives.  The problems is that its not real.  Very little has been actually done.  But what's getting seen  is conservatives paranoid about gun laws in the aftermath of these mass shootings.  Its turns people off to the general conservative message.  

What the masses aren't seeing are conservatives leading the charge on practical reform to help prevent mass shootings.  That approach would help the country so much in other areas too.

Instead they are all freaked out about what Hillary said and bitching about liberals.

[tonymctones]

I do blame them.  Talking heads, op eds, and politicians are using this fear and hand feeding it to conservatives.  The problems is that its not real.  Very little has been actually done.  But what's getting seen  is conservatives paranoid about gun laws in the aftermath of these mass shootings.  Its turns people off to the general conservative message. 

What the masses aren't seeing are conservatives leading the charge on practical reform to help prevent mass shootings.  That approach would help the country so much in other areas too.

Instead they are all freaked out about what Hillary said and bitching about liberals.

what legislation do you think would help prevent mass shootings oz?

[OzmO]

Oz would you consider a ban on "assault weapons" something that prevents law abiding citizens from owning guns?

I am not a gun owner.  Are they banned?  I hear they were, then they weren't, etc.  what constitutes an assault weapon?

I am pro 2nd amendment.  I don't know enough about all the assault weapons we can have or that are available.  I don't think a fully automatic S.A.W. should be legal or at the very least, there should be a lots of regulation on it.  But a AR-15 should be ok.  A Barrett .50 cal should be ok.

[OzmO]

what legislation do you think would help prevent mass shootings oz?

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