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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2015, 06:37:43 AM »

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For what it’s worth.  

Good thread....I enjoy these topics immensely!  I always learn something new.

Hopefully it won't devolve into a typical "let's bash the Christians" dog pile thing.


hey thanks for the detailed and thoughtful response

would love to get your input on the refugee situation in relation to the gospels, maybe in another thread  8)
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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2015, 07:10:58 AM »
Good point. There can be evidence to support a given theory. Even compelling evidence. But that does not make it a fact.

Whether there is a God that created a universe or that the universe just popped up out of nothingness is both a matter of faith. Neither can be proven.

once again by this logic...is it possible to understand anything?

will the sun rise tomorrow?!?!?
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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #52 on: November 20, 2015, 07:15:55 AM »
You eat some mushrooms today? That was a very interesting paragraph.

My opinion on the earth, I'd say millions or billions of years old.

Yeah, but what's that in dog years?
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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2015, 08:53:17 AM »
that is what we are discussing

what's your position??!?

My position is somewhere between Nibaru and panty.

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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2015, 09:01:21 AM »
My position is somewhere between Nibaru and panty.

I do recall you dismissing 100% of scientists on another subject so I'm gonna estimate your earth age at about 10,000 years.

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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #55 on: November 20, 2015, 09:09:17 AM »
Wes knows

mr.turbo

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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2015, 09:20:30 AM »
I believe that the earth is very very very very old.

God created it..... and life was here: dinosaurs and other creatures that are now wrongly identified as being human forebearers. (Scientists find these ancient skeletons. This appears to combat the "young earth" theory)

Life on that earth ended with some sort of "disaster". The disaster could have been a meteor strike. Or it could have been Satan hitting the earth after he was hurled down from heaven. Jesus witnessed this event. Jesus: “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven (Luke 10:18).

God then re-created earth. But the fossils remained. Ancient skeltons remained. God made a garden. God took dirt and breathed like into it and made man. This man was named Adam. From Adam's rib, God made Eve. Adam and Eve were given dominion over all of the earth. (This is the young earth that Christian's often mention)

Unfortunately, satan was on the earth. Satan eventually temped Eve to sin against God. Eve sinned and then temped Adam to join her in sinning. Satan then took dominion over the earth.

2000+ years ago, Jesus Christ took back what Adam & Eve had previously lost to satan.


Hey just  noticed this.

One thing i don't get is how Jesus can see the earth get destroyed and live to tell about it. That tells me that Satan's arrival could not have been a catastrophic event...or was jesus in spirit form at the time before being born?

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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2015, 10:52:31 AM »
no human can tell how old the earth is! And those who think they can, are some stupid mother fuckers believing their own lies!
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-science-figured-out-the-age-of-the-earth/

http://www.space.com/24054-how-old-is-the-universe.html

The universe cannot be younger than the objects contained inside of it. By determining the ages of the oldest stars, scientists are able to put a limit on the age.

The life cycle of a star is based on its mass. More massive stars burn faster than their lower-mass siblings. A star 10 times as massive as the sun will burn through its fuel supply in 20 million years, while a star with half the sun's mass will last more than 20 billion years. The mass also affects the brightness, or luminosity, of a star; more massive stars are brighter.

Dense collections of stars known as globular clusters have similar characteristics. The oldest known globular clusters have stars with ages between 11 and 18 billion years old. The wide range comes from problems in pinpointing the distances to the clusters, which affects estimates of brightness and thus mass. If the cluster is farther away than scientists have measured, the stars would be brighter, thus more massive, thus younger than calculated.

The uncertainty still creates a limit to the age of the universe; it must be at least 11 billion years old. It can be older, but not younger.

Expansion of the universe

The universe we live in is not flat and unchanging, but constantly expanding. If the expansion rate is known, scientists can work backwards to determine the universe's age, much like police officers can unravel the initial conditions that resulted in a traffic accident. Thus, finding the expansion rate of the universe — a number known as the Hubble constant — is key.

A number of factors determine the value of this constant. The first is the type of matter that dominates the universe. Scientists must determine the proportion of regular and dark matter to dark energy. Density also plays a role. A universe with a low density of matter is older than a matter-dominated one.

To determine the density and composition of the universe, scientists rely on missions such as NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) and The European Space Agency's Planck spacecraft. By measuring the thermal radiation left over from the Big Bang, missions such as these are able to determine the density, composition and expansion rate of the universe. The leftover radiation is known as the cosmic microwave background, and both WMAP and Planck have mapped it. [INFOGRAPHIC: Cosmic Microwave Background: Big Bang Relic Explained]

In 2012, WMAP estimated the age of the universe to be 13.772 billion years, with an uncertainty of 59 million years. In 2013, Planck measured the age of the universe at 13.82 billion years. Both of these fall within the lower limit of 11 billion years independently derived from the globular clusters, and both have smaller uncertainties than that number.

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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #58 on: November 20, 2015, 10:54:30 AM »
Tooth DNA confirms ancient cousins lived alongside Homo sapiens and Neanderthals

http://www.sciencealert.com/fossilised-tooth-dna-confirms-ancient-cousins-lived-alongside-homo-sapiens-and-neanderthals

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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #59 on: November 20, 2015, 11:05:10 AM »
He still is on earth, disguised as a president of the United States and yes, he is evil.

Lol, Obama is the devil, so was Bush before him and Clinton prior to that. I think it's fair to say that Bush Sr was also controlled by satan as well.

Why does lucifer get a pass on term limits?

Also who's in charge of China, South Korea and the Middle East in general?

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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #60 on: November 20, 2015, 11:50:30 AM »
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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #61 on: November 20, 2015, 12:43:52 PM »
Tooth DNA confirms ancient cousins lived alongside Homo sapiens and Neanderthals

http://www.sciencealert.com/fossilised-tooth-dna-confirms-ancient-cousins-lived-alongside-homo-sapiens-and-neanderthals

the bible says god created "adam" not... "denisovians"

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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #62 on: November 20, 2015, 03:02:22 PM »
the bible says god created "adam" not... "denisovians"

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If I well recall, the Adam and Eve story is not the original; it was copied from Sumerian mythology. I'm sure there are people here who know about this better than I do and can explain in more detail.





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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #63 on: November 20, 2015, 03:46:57 PM »
If I well recall, the Adam and Eve story is not the original; it was copied from Sumerian mythology. I'm sure there are people here who know about this better than I do and can explain in more detail.






there's a couple problems with that

sumer is a 6000 year old civilization so...if the earth didn't exist the numbers don't work.

secondly, sumer is located in present day Iraq so uh we don't really talk about the history of that area

it just gets awkward
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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #64 on: November 20, 2015, 04:38:35 PM »
How old is the Earth.

Hmmmm it's older than me (just)
And will No Doubt Last Longer Than Me.

HTH.

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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #65 on: November 20, 2015, 04:43:39 PM »
there a couple problems with that

sumer is a 6000 year old civilization so...if the earth didn't exist the numbers don't work.

secondly, sumer is located in present day Iraq so uh we don't really talk about the history of that area

it just gets awkward

Sumerians, great culture and, as usual when it comes to great cultures they naturally exert great influence on smaller cultures. In this sense, Sumerian mythology spread across the Middle East and reached Hebrews/Jews. Also, the Babylon captivity put them in close contact with those myths. Many of the stories in the bible are actually retellings of Sumerian myths.

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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #66 on: November 21, 2015, 11:44:35 AM »

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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #67 on: November 21, 2015, 11:58:04 AM »
Next up, "Is King Arthur Real? Was Guinevere cheating on him with Sir Lancelot? Do Thunderbirds really exist? And does Branch Warren have T-Rex DNA?"

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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #68 on: November 22, 2015, 12:42:58 AM »
Great post. I wouldn't bother arguing with religious clowns. Life is to short.

This.

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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #69 on: November 22, 2015, 09:07:17 AM »
By the way, where does the idea that the Earth is 6000 years old come from?

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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #70 on: November 22, 2015, 04:07:55 PM »
By the way, where does the idea that the Earth is 6000 years old come from?

They added up everyone's age in the bible and it came to 6000 years. Bill Hicks taught me that.

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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #71 on: November 22, 2015, 04:18:03 PM »
My position is somewhere between Nibaru and panty.

DAMMIT I made it with the wrong person  :(

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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #72 on: November 23, 2015, 08:51:40 AM »
Next up, "Is King Arthur Real? Was Guinevere cheating on him with Sir Lancelot? Do Thunderbirds really exist? And does Branch Warren have T-Rex DNA?"

Can we talk about Thunderbirds please? I'd enjoy that conversation.
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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #73 on: November 23, 2015, 10:49:13 AM »
Next up, "Is King Arthur Real? Was Guinevere cheating on him with Sir Lancelot? Do Thunderbirds really exist? And does Branch Warren have T-Rex DNA?"

The brave, noble and gentle knight of the Round Table, Sir Pellias, gives his word of honor as to the existence of the great King Arthur.


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Re: how old is the earth?
« Reply #74 on: November 24, 2015, 02:19:45 PM »
They added up everyone's age in the bible and it came to 6000 years. Bill Hicks taught me that.

Well, the OT tells that in the beginning people could live for practically 1000 years.