Did President Obama Just Admit He Was Muslim?

[240 is Back]

Pay attention to when he uses the word "we"...

"I think, on one hand, non-Muslims cannot stereotype, but I also think the Muslim community has to think about how we make sure that children are not being affected with this twisted notion that somehow they can kill innocent people."

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[Coach is Back!]

He did along time ago.

[240 is Back]

He did along time ago.

Should Muslims be allowed to vote or hold office?

[Coach is Back!]

Should Muslims be allowed to vote or hold office?

Depends. Like Christians you have Muslims that claim to be Muslim but don't practice it. I believe Obama is. He backs and supports radical Muslim terrorists. He is 100% absolutely part of the problem.

[240 is Back]

Depends. Like Christians you have Muslims that claim to be Muslim but don't practice it. I believe Obama is. He backs and supports radical Muslim terrorists. He is 100% absolutely part of the problem.

so should practicing Muslims be allowed to vote or hold office?

[Agnostic007]

Depends. Like Christians you have Muslims that claim to be Muslim but don't practice it. I believe Obama is. He backs and supports radical Muslim terrorists. He is 100% absolutely part of the problem.

except for that silly little fact he doesn't even claim to be Muslim, or practice muslim religious ceremonies, or any number of other things muslims do or don't do.. but yeah, other than that, he is 100% Muslim.

Your tenacity in believing Obama Muslim in spite of the mountain of evidence to the contrary, really takes a sledgehammer to your credibility.

[LurkerNoMore]

Depends. Like Christians you have Muslims that claim to be Muslim but don't practice it. I believe Obama is. He backs and supports radical Muslim terrorists. He is 100% absolutely part of the problem.

You suffer from strange delusions.

Well not suffer, you apparently take pride in them.

[iwantmass]

except for that silly little fact he doesn't even claim to be Muslim, or practice muslim religious ceremonies, or any number of other things muslims do or don't do.. but yeah, other than that, he is 100% Muslim.

Your tenacity in believing Obama Muslim in spite of the mountain of evidence to the contrary, really takes a sledgehammer to your credibility.

I don't know if obama is a Muslim nor do I care, but I am curious about the mountain of evidence to the contrary.  What are you aware of that the rest of us have missed?

[Irongrip400]

I don't think he is(or thinks he is) but I believe he may have the tendencies because his father is. Just like someone who is exposed to Christianity as a child has no choice but to carry some of those beliefs.

[Necrosis]

I don't know if obama is a Muslim nor do I care, but I am curious about the mountain of evidence to the contrary.  What are you aware of that the rest of us have missed?

bahahaha

I don;t know nor do I care, but show me the evidence as i don't care.

pseudo intellectual alert, stupid people trying to sound smart.

[iwantmass]

bahahaha

I don;t know nor do I care, but show me the evidence as i don't care.

pseudo intellectual alert, stupid people trying to sound smart.

So, you are saying you can't show this mountain of evidence either....yet you know it exist.  Got it.  

I stand by my previous statement.  And since you seem to be aware of this mountain of evidence as well, why don't you enlighten me.  

[240 is Back]

I hope coach waits 3 days and starts a thread about this same topic with a one-line link and zero original commentary.

[Agnostic007]

I don't know if obama is a Muslim nor do I care, but I am curious about the mountain of evidence to the contrary.  What are you aware of that the rest of us have missed?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/aug/26/18-percent-american-public/obama-muslim-no-hes-not-evidence-has-not-changed/

Our fact-checking also showed clear evidence that Obama is a Christian. According to the president's memoirs and independent biographies, Obama was not raised in any particular faith. He became a Christian when he was in his 20s while working as a community organizer in Chicago. Obama said the churches there impressed him with their commitment to social justice and the hope they gave to the poor.

 "It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street in the Southside of Chicago one day and affirm my Christian faith," Obama said in a 2006 speech. "It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn't fall out in church. The questions I had didn't magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt that I heard God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth."


"It's not easy to purge these afflictions, to achieve redemption," Obama said. "But as Christians, we believe that redemption can be delivered -- by faith in Jesus Christ. And the possibility of redemption can make straight the crookedness of a character; make whole the incompleteness of a soul. Redemption makes life, however fleeting here on Earth, resound with eternal hope."

He has attend a Christian church for years, he give money to that church and supports its causes. On the other hand, he does not pray to Allah facing Mecca everyday, doesn't belong to a mosque and doesn't support muslim causes

President Obama told Christianity Today in 2008, "I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian."
"Part of what we've been seeing during the course of this campaign is some scurrilous e-mails that have been sent out, denying my faith, talking about me being a Muslim, suggesting that I got sworn in at the U.S. Senate with a Qur'an in my hand or that I don't pledge allegiance to the flag," said Obama. "I think it's really important for your readers to know that I have been a member of the same church for almost 20 years, and I have never practiced Islam. I am respectful of the religion, but it's not my own."


But hey, if you want to believe he is Muslim in spite of what he says, does, etc.. I guess there is no way of convincing anyone otherwise. Personally, I don't care if he is or isn't I'm just a fan of whatever the truth is.

[Necrosis]

So, you are saying you can't show this mountain of evidence either....yet you know it exist.  Got it.  

I stand by my previous statement.  And since you seem to be aware of this mountain of evidence as well, why don't you enlighten me.  

The burden is on you, there is no evidence at all that he is Muslim, zero.


Everything he says and does would support his assertions. He is sympathetic to Islam for sure, but I think that is coming from his faith. It's absurd to me, how it is different than scientology.

[iwantmass]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/aug/26/18-percent-american-public/obama-muslim-no-hes-not-evidence-has-not-changed/

Our fact-checking also showed clear evidence that Obama is a Christian. According to the president's memoirs and independent biographies, Obama was not raised in any particular faith. He became a Christian when he was in his 20s while working as a community organizer in Chicago. Obama said the churches there impressed him with their commitment to social justice and the hope they gave to the poor.

 "It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street in the Southside of Chicago one day and affirm my Christian faith," Obama said in a 2006 speech. "It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn't fall out in church. The questions I had didn't magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt that I heard God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth."


"It's not easy to purge these afflictions, to achieve redemption," Obama said. "But as Christians, we believe that redemption can be delivered -- by faith in Jesus Christ. And the possibility of redemption can make straight the crookedness of a character; make whole the incompleteness of a soul. Redemption makes life, however fleeting here on Earth, resound with eternal hope."

He has attend a Christian church for years, he give money to that church and supports its causes. On the other hand, he does not pray to Allah facing Mecca everyday, doesn't belong to a mosque and doesn't support muslim causes

President Obama told Christianity Today in 2008, "I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian."
"Part of what we've been seeing during the course of this campaign is some scurrilous e-mails that have been sent out, denying my faith, talking about me being a Muslim, suggesting that I got sworn in at the U.S. Senate with a Qur'an in my hand or that I don't pledge allegiance to the flag," said Obama. "I think it's really important for your readers to know that I have been a member of the same church for almost 20 years, and I have never practiced Islam. I am respectful of the religion, but it's not my own."


But hey, if you want to believe he is Muslim in spite of what he says, does, etc.. I guess there is no way of convincing anyone otherwise. Personally, I don't care if he is or isn't I'm just a fan of whatever the truth is.

You didn't need to type all that to tell me you had no evidence when you claimed a mountain of evidence existed.  You could have simply said "no, I don't have any evidence."

What you cited was opinion from obama's own book and his attendance in trinity united church.

His opinion doesn't represent fact and it certainly doesn't represent a mountain of evidence.  Ben carson says a lot of things in his book and we are finding much of it is fiction.

As for trinity united church, you should do your research on reverend wright's history of religion.  You might also like to mention his hate filled anti-American racist sermons.  Then again, Obama lied about ever attending any of those sermons in his 20 year attendance, all while claiming wright to be a mentor figure.  Wright himself said obama was a liar and only cared about political gain.  

So your overwhelming evidence includes the biography of a man who sold his own mentor out for political gain and a reverend that identifies in ways with the Muslim culture.

What I really find funny about that is that when one of your police brotherhood commit some atrocity, you damn near require video evidence, a written notarized confession, and 15 witnesses.

So, obama, a known liar, you will take at his word even given his sympathy with Islam and his increasingly distant relationship with israel; but you require the entire scientific method be tested to incriminate a fellow cop.  

Gee, your liberal bias doesn't show at all.  

[iwantmass]

The burden is on you, there is no evidence at all that he is Muslim, zero.


Everything he says and does would support his assertions. He is sympathetic to Islam for sure, but I think that is coming from his faith. It's absurd to me, how it is different than scientology.

See my above post.  There is nothing that he says or does that support his assertions.  He does whatever it takes for political/personal gain just like every other politician.  And he is not just sympathetic to islam, he is negligent to jews. 

Now, as for the question do I think he is a muslim.  No, I do not but I wouldn't be shocked if news came out that he was.  My argument is with the people that are so confident he isn't and insist a pile of evidence exist. 

I think he is a shitty president and I don't care if he is a Muslim. Even if he was a muslim, I still think he is qualified to be President.  Being bad at one's job or  being muslim didn't stop the majority of people for voting for him, and that's good enough for me.

[TuHolmes]

Such a stupid topic.

It's against all religions to claim to be a religion other than the one you are in because if you are Christian and you deny you are christian, then you are denying your faith and in fact, not a christian at all.

Being Muslim is the same.

If you are a Muslim, yet claim you are not, then you are in fact going against a tenant of the religion and are then, NOT of that religion.

In religion, you are what you claim to be... That's how it works.

[iwantmass]

Such a stupid topic.

It's against all religions to claim to be a religion other than the one you are in because if you are Christian and you deny you are christian, then you are denying your faith and in fact, not a christian at all.

Being Muslim is the same.

If you are a Muslim, yet claim you are not, then you are in fact going against a tenant of the religion and are then, NOT of that religion.

In religion, you are what you claim to be... That's how it works.

Wrong, that is how it should work. We have fakes and liars that hide behind religion all the time.  A rare few people.in every church legitimately practice their religion in a pure fashion.  You are more intelligent than that. Don't type such a naive response

[TuHolmes]

Wrong, that is how it should work. We have fakes and liars that hide behind religion all the time.  A rare few people.in every church legitimately practice their religion in a pure fashion.  You are more intelligent than that. Don't type such a naive response

What religion says it's ok to deny it?

Every religion says that if you deny the religion, you are not of the religion because you are denying it.

[iwantmass]

What religion says it's ok to deny it?

Every religion says that if you deny the religion, you are not of the religion because you are denying it.

Men often behave differently than their theology dictates.  We just had a muslim terrorist identified in gay bars and on porn sites.

Obama attended a church for 20 years and then lied and threw his pastor under the bus.  The pastor that he claimed to be his mentor.

In their own perverted way, plenty of people defy their religion all the time while still think they are practicing it in their mind.  If you live in a place where this doesn't happen,  please let me know.  While you are at it, can you draw me a map on how to reach never land?

[TuHolmes]

Men often behave differently than their theology dictates.  We just had a muslim terrorist identified in gay bars and on porn sites.

Obama attended a church for 20 years and then lied and threw his pastor under the bus.  The pastor that he claimed to be his mentor.

In their own perverted way, plenty of people defy their religion all the time while still think they are practicing it in their mind.  If you live in a place where this doesn't happen,  please let me know.  While you are at it, can you draw me a map on how to reach never land?

If someone denies their religion,  then their own religion dictates that they will not get to whatever afterlife they believe they are getting to.

It is completely self defeatist from a theological standpoint.

[iwantmass]

If someone denies their religion,  then their own religion dictates that they will not get to whatever afterlife they believe they are getting to.

It is completely self defeatist from a theological standpoint.

Ah got it.  So you are saying that Obama isn't a muslim per his theology even if he thinks he is a muslim.  That is a rather weak argument, but sure I'll buy it.

It still doesn't determine if he thinks he is a muslim

[TuHolmes]

Ah got it.  So you are saying that Obama isn't a muslim per his theology even if he thinks he is a muslim.  That is a rather weak argument, but sure I'll buy it.

It still doesn't determine if he thinks he is a muslim

No, it doesn't determine if one thinks they are whatever, but typically, you are what you say you are, or you are not what you are hiding... at least in religion.

[iwantmass]

No, it doesn't determine if one thinks they are whatever, but typically, you are what you say you are, or you are not what you are hiding... at least in religion.

I often meet people that aren't what they say they are.  Would you agree that someone that attended a church for 20 years and claimed the preacher to be like a father figure, only to throw him under the bus when his sermons become public is an honest person?

Would you speculate that this is the type person that might not practice his chosen theology in the manner deemed by its scripture?

I certainly have a problem with a person that claims religion to hold such an influence on his life for 20 years, yet will abandon it the moment inflammatory sermons are produced.  I also find this is the type of individual that would merit the label wolf-in-sheeps-clothing.

[Thong Maniac]

Depends. Like Christians you have Muslims that claim to be Muslim but don't practice it. I believe Obama is. He backs and supports radical Muslim terrorists. He is 100% absolutely part of the problem.

Oh god, lol