Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?

[pellius]

I believe you meant Berlin wall, not war.

True, but when guards will shoot at anyone coming and going it's easy to conflate the two.

[pellius]

But in your new world order you won't be making a distinction between me and the crazies.  Won't the crazies try to fake my situation?

Yes we will. How long have you been living in the US? Are you a citizen? Are you employed here? What are you doing on the net? My opening post began with how we handled travel between the Warsaw Pact and other Eastern Bloc countries.

Trump's "NO" Muslims is hyperbole. No NEW Muslims unless cleared. If you're Muslim diplomat then that's different. But no Syria refugees or someone from the Middle East wanting a "vacation" here. Big Ramy being a notable exception (but not his posse).

We're at war. There's a large group of Muslims that want us dead and are killing us.

[pellius]

If you go through Duty Free in Dubai they do make a good pitch.

Point taken.

[BIG ACH]

Yes we will. How long have you been living in the US? Are you a citizen? Are you employed here? What are you doing on the net? My opening post began with how we handled travel between the Warsaw Pact and other Eastern Bloc countries.

Trump's "NO" Muslims is hyperbole. No NEW Muslims unless cleared. If you're Muslim diplomat then that's different. But no Syria refugees or someone from the Middle East wanting a "vacation" here. Big Ramy being a notable exception (but not his posse).

We're at war. There's a large group of Muslims that want us dead and are killing us.

Ok... So let's talk about those Muslims that are not US citizens... What you're proposing would greatly impact trade, tourism, and even tax income.  Case in point. My father has never been a us citizen, not even a green card holder but before I became an American citizen he bought a two million dollar property in the US, he paid for it and he pays the property taxes on it, so now you're saying he cannot come and vacation or make use of this property.

What about all the Arab-American relationships , the oil company partnerships?  The hotel chains?  Many of them owned by Muslim, now they can't come to the US  to do business or attend an inauguration ceremony, so why would they continue business there?  We are talking billions on the line?

Factor in how many Arab tourists come In and go to Disney and other tourist destinations, Vegas, new York city, etc. once again you're greatly cutting off a huge source of income to the US.

Think of the Muslim servicemen in the US military, the ones that returned from war and are in hospitals, you just denied entry to their families from coming to visit them as they recover?  Those are people that fought for America and are paying the price for it.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be background checks, there already are even ones that were designated by countries. Before I became a us citizen I had to go to this registration office at the airport anytime I left the country because I was from Egypt and that's fine no one is disputing that

[pellius]

Ok... So let's talk about those Muslims that are not US citizens... What you're proposing would greatly impact trade, tourism, and even tax income.  Case in point. My father has never been a us citizen, not even a green card holder but before I became an American citizen he bought a two million dollar property in the US, he paid for it and he pays the property taxes on it, so now you're saying he cannot come and vacation or make use of this property.

What about all the Arab-American relationships , the oil company partnerships?  The hotel chains?  Many of them owned by Muslim, now they can't come to the US  to do business or attend an inauguration ceremony, so why would they continue business there?  We are talking billions on the line?

Factor in how many Arab tourists come In and go to Disney and other tourist destinations, Vegas, new York city, etc. once again you're greatly cutting off a huge source of income to the US.

Think of the Muslim servicemen in the US military, the ones that returned from war and are in hospitals, you just denied entry to their families from coming to visit them as they recover?  Those are people that fought for America and are paying the price for it.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be background checks, there already are even ones that were designated by countries. Before I became a us citizen I had to go to this registration office at the airport anytime I left the country because I was from Egypt and that's fine no one is disputing that

Recall I said there will be exceptions and gave diplomats as an example. Of course this will apply to businessmen and the like. They are here for a specific reason, staying at a hotel, the business venture will be vouched for, there will be a specific limit to their stay.

And yes, Muslims currently serving in the Armed Forces will also be given a past.

And yes, we will lose money on tourism and various businesses but life is always about trade offs. We are talking innocent lives.

The grim reality is the though not all Muslims are terrorist the vast majority that are terrorist and the biggest threat to America's security and safety is coming from the Muslims.

Don't forget, even non-radical Muslims, if they are truly Muslims, want Sharia law. They want it everywhere.

[BIG ACH]

Recall I said there will be exceptions and gave diplomats as an example. Of course this will apply to businessmen and the like. They are here for a specific reason, staying at a hotel, the business venture will be vouched for, there will be a specific limit to their stay.

And yes, Muslims currently serving in the Armed Forces will also be given a past.

And yes, we will lose money on tourism and various businesses but life is always about trade offs. We are talking innocent lives.

The grim reality is the though not all Muslims are terrorist the vast majority that are terrorist and the biggest threat to America's security and safety is coming from the Muslims.

Don't forget, even non-radical Muslims, if they are truly Muslims, want Sharia law. They want it everywhere.

To start from the end... I agree, Sharia law has no place in the western world.  That will never change and should never change.

You're essentially saying EXACTLY what happens s right now then?   You're not proposing anything new?  

I have come to the US as a tourist on a tourist visa, as a student as a student visa, as a resident with a green card, and now blessed to be an American Citizen .

I have gone through numerous background checks, as does anyone that comes to this country, no one just roams free unless they are here illegally.  But if you are here in any of the manners that were mentioned above, you have been through a background check.

So I really don't get what you are proposing?  More of the same?

I think a more reasonable argument should be. Do we need to toughen those background checks?

[SF1900]

To start from the end... I agree, Sharia law has no place in the western world.  That will never change and should never change.

You're essentially saying EXACTLY what happens s right now then?   You're not proposing anything new?  

I have come to the US as a tourist on a tourist visa, as a student as a student visa, as a resident with a green card, and now blessed to be an American Citizen .

I have gone through numerous background checks, as does anyone that comes to this country, no one just roams free unless they are here illegally.  But if you are here in any of the manners that were mentioned above, you have been through a background check.

So I really don't get what you are proposing?  More of the same?

Big Ach, who is Natural Doug Miller voting for? Is he a democrat or republican?

[chaos]

The day I stay in a 5 star hotel and a client pays it, and I don't have to jizz in a man, I've made it.

So now we know how you've been enjoying those 5 star hotels.

[BIG ACH]

Big Ach, who is Natural Doug Miller voting for? Is he a democrat or republican?

I dunno who specifically. But I'm fairly certain he is a Republican

[pellius]

To start from the end... I agree, Sharia law has no place in the western world.  That will never change and should never change.

You're essentially saying EXACTLY what happens s right now then?   You're not proposing anything new?  

I have come to the US as a tourist on a tourist visa, as a student as a student visa, as a resident with a green card, and now blessed to be an American Citizen .

I have gone through numerous background checks, as does anyone that comes to this country, no one just roams free unless they are here illegally.  But if you are here in any of the manners that were mentioned above, you have been through a background check.

So I really don't get what you are proposing?  More of the same?

I think a more reasonable argument should be. Do we need to toughen those background checks?

What I am proposing is that if you want in -- eat your bacon!

[BIG ACH]

What I am proposing is that if you want in -- eat your bacon!

Lol... You'll have some good smelling borders

[sync pulse]

In most instances the heritage of the United States has been that Naturalized Citizens were, by and large, trusted. 
The most notable exception were of course the 1st generation Japanese and California Nisei.

[Conker]

i don't even know why they're making so much fuss about terrorism, any terrorist attack will easily be diluted into all the domestic random massacre figures , hardly going to make a big difference is it.
so 1% of random massacres will now have a muslim perp instead of christian/atheist.

[residue]

Yes we will. How long have you been living in the US? Are you a citizen? Are you employed here? What are you doing on the net? My opening post began with how we handled travel between the Warsaw Pact and other Eastern Bloc countries.

Trump's "NO" Muslims is hyperbole. No NEW Muslims unless cleared. If you're Muslim diplomat then that's different. But no Syria refugees or someone from the Middle East wanting a "vacation" here. Big Ramy being a notable exception (but not his posse).

We're at war. There's a large group of Muslims that want us dead and are killing us.

how many American deaths on American soil in the last decade from radical Muslims again?

[Walter Sobchak]

i don't even know why they're making so much fuss about terrorism, any terrorist attack will easily be diluted into all the domestic random massacre figures , hardly going to make a big difference is it.
so 1% of random massacres will now have a muslim perp instead of christian/atheist.

Illegal Mexicans kill more than 13 people a day in the U.S. while committing crimes and driving their shitty cars. They bankrupt our social programs, healthcare, and educational systems. Yet everyone is up in arms about two Muslims killing 13 people.

In the end it's all about control.......control of increasing the voting block and garnering more votes.

It is not about keeping people safe.

[Conker]

We're at war. There's a large group of Muslims that want us dead and are killing us.

that statement there shows just how easily manipulated the stupid and feeble minded are by media propaganda.

how many dead or displaced in the US due to you being at "war" go to Syria, Libya, Iraq (the countries you've attacked) to see nations at war.

[chaos]

how many American deaths on American soil in the last decade from radical Muslims again?

Why stop at a decade? 15 years too long or are you conveniently stopping your timeline short?

[residue]

Why stop at a decade? 15 years too long or are you conveniently stopping your timeline short?

umm because a decade is a fairly common marker

[French]

what's next, forbidden to not be christian ?

[residue]

why is it always the folks living in flyover states or trailer parks worrying about terrorism? what the fuck is there to blow up in places not NY, Cali, Chicago and or DC

[Man of Steel]

what's next, forbidden to not be christian ?

LOL.....yep.

[Yamcha]

why is it always the folks living in flyover states or trailer parks worrying about terrorism? what the fuck is there to blow up in places not NY, Cali, Chicago and or DC.... and the great Republic of Texas  

they routinely blow folks up in Bumfuck, Middle East

[The Ugly]

I just hope Putin nukes Syria. Seems like the kinda guy who wouldn't give a shit about international backlash.

[SF1900]

why is it always the folks living in flyover states or trailer parks worrying about terrorism? what the fuck is there to blow up in places not NY, Cali, Chicago and or DC

lol. This. People in Kentucky or West Virginia worrying about a terrorist attack.   People in Kentucky seem more worried than people in major cities.

I live in NYC, and many getbiggers living in California. You have something to worry about if you live in near or a major city. Id say worry if you live in NYC, Cali, Chicago, DC, Texas (certain parts), Philadelphia, Boston, or Las Vegas.

[The Ugly]

lol. This. People in Kentucky or West Virginia worrying about a terrorist attack.   People in Kentucky seem more worried than people in major cities.

I live in NYC, and many getbiggers living in California. You have something to worry about if you live in near or a major city. Id say worry if you live in NYC, Cali, Chicago, DC, Texas (certain parts), Philadelphia, Boston, or Las Vegas.

Why would people in San Bernardino have to worry, either? It's a fucking nothingplace. No strategic payoff whatsoever, none.

Read the news last week?