Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?

[BIG ACH]

Sorry boys I've been between planes and airports for the last 14 hours for a business trip...  Still got one more 11 hour flight to get back home!


To answer someone's question about Halal meat...  It just means that the animal was blessed (a prayer was read during the slaughter) and killed in a humane way.  But "Halal" can also mean that its accepted in the eyes of god to consume or partake in... for example, pork and alcohol are not considered Halal.  (For someone that doesn't adhere to the rules I sure know a lot about this )

As much as this conversation will go on... American citizens will never and can never be banned from the country for being Muslims.  Its just the way it is.  Federal courts will never approve it, and the constitution will have to be changed for that to happen.  At the end of the day, this is their home too you know, there are many American born muslims that have "no other place to go" lol, what are you gonna do? just ship them off to an island?

This will most likely never happen for visitors either, but the chances maybe higher than for US citizens.


Anyways - as stated earlier I'm not into talking politics, so I'm exiting this thread gracefully.  However, feel free to reach out if you have questions!

[King Shizzo]

Sorry boys I've been between planes and airports for the last 14 hours for a business trip...  Still got one more 11 hour flight to get back home!


To answer someone's question about Halal meat...  It just means that the animal was blessed (a prayer was read during the slaughter) and killed in a humane way.  But "Halal" can also mean that its accepted in the eyes of god to consume or partake in... for example, pork and alcohol are not considered Halal.  (For someone that doesn't adhere to the rules I sure know a lot about this )

As much as this conversation will go on... American citizens will never and can never be banned from the country for being Muslims.  Its just the way it is.  Federal courts will never approve it, and the constitution will have to be changed for that to happen.  At the end of the day, this is their home too you know, there are many American born muslims that have "no other place to go" lol, what are you gonna do? just ship them off to an island?

This will most likely never happen for visitors either, but the chances maybe higher than for US citizens.


Anyways - as stated earlier I'm not into talking politics, so I'm exiting this thread gracefully.  However, feel free to reach out if you have questions!

Itinerary sent to INTERPOL.

[Conker]

Still avoiding a simple cquestion: What would you have done if you were the President of the US after the attack on 9-11?

LOL @ "We MUST have done something to piss off OBL?"

The way you constantly defend terrorist makes you look like a bigger pussy than Obama.

And for Chrissakes! Change your avi pic. Nothing more homo than a man pulling up his shorts to "show off his legs". Do you also pull up your t-shirt while looking in the mirror to "flash your abs" in the gym?

If I was the president I would have tried to flush out the planners/perpetrators and bring them to justice, that's how a civilised, democratic country deals with an act of terrorism. the UK was bombed to fk by the IRA we didn't go dropping bombs on Ireland or even America as that's where most of their arms and funding came from!

what was achieved by the "war on terror" ? wasted billions of $ , lost soldiers and created tenfold more potential terrorists. You can't fight terrorism by bombing, invading and occupying countries.

Of course you did something to pss bin laden off, why else you think they did 9/11? being feeble minded i suppose you bought the line "they did it because they hate our freedom in the west"

defending terrorists, LOL the US state is the biggest terrorist on the planet

and in case it escaped you this is a BB forum, it's ok to be a bit "homo"

[Danimal77]

We as a country, I believe, can stomach it, we have before. We need someone in office that isn't afraid to say and do what needs to be done.

Viva Trump!!! (Fuck you 240isback!!)

Yeah, like him saying that he will get Bill Gates to turn off the internet? 

[drkaje]

Sorry boys I've been between planes and airports for the last 14 hours for a business trip...  Still got one more 11 hour flight to get back home!


To answer someone's question about Halal meat...  It just means that the animal was blessed (a prayer was read during the slaughter) and killed in a humane way.  But "Halal" can also mean that its accepted in the eyes of god to consume or partake in... for example, pork and alcohol are not considered Halal.  (For someone that doesn't adhere to the rules I sure know a lot about this )

As much as this conversation will go on... American citizens will never and can never be banned from the country for being Muslims.  Its just the way it is.  Federal courts will never approve it, and the constitution will have to be changed for that to happen.  At the end of the day, this is their home too you know, there are many American born muslims that have "no other place to go" lol, what are you gonna do? just ship them off to an island?

This will most likely never happen for visitors either, but the chances maybe higher than for US citizens.


Anyways - as stated earlier I'm not into talking politics, so I'm exiting this thread gracefully.  However, feel free to reach out if you have questions!

Bear in mind that you're talking about a country where slavery was legal before assuming the constitution can't be changed.

[pellius]

If I was the president I would have tried to flush out the planners/perpetrators and bring them to justice, that's how a civilised, democratic country deals with an act of terrorism. the UK was bombed to fk by the IRA we didn't go dropping bombs on Ireland or even America as that's where most of their arms and funding came from!

what was achieved by the "war on terror" ? wasted billions of $ , lost soldiers and created tenfold more potential terrorists. You can't fight terrorism by bombing, invading and occupying countries.

Of course you did something to pss bin laden off, why else you think they did 9/11? being feeble minded i suppose you bought the line "they did it because they hate our freedom in the west"

defending terrorists, LOL the US state is the biggest terrorist on the planet

and in case it escaped you this is a BB forum, it's ok to be a bit "homo"

"Flush out the planners/perpetrators"

What the fuck does that mean? "Flush them out". Flush them out how? We knew their based training camp was in Afghanistan.

And of course we pissed OBL off. He issued a fatwa that anyone that supports Israel is the enemy. He didn't want the presence of the US Military in Saudi Arabia, which he considered sacred territory being defiled by the American infidel. Even though Saudi Arabia is a military ally and was invited by the Saudi government.  So what? Just because OBL doesn't like something doesn't mean we should automatically cede to his wishes. He didn't like us because we don't adhere to Sharia Law.  Just because someone disagrees with us and get angry with us doesn't mean we are wrong. 

And America is the biggest terrorist? So if given a choice between Americans moving into your country or Muslims you would choose the Muslims. Well, it's already happening. Good luck with that. Just don't come over here.

I'm sure Tojo and Hirohito were angry with us. So what.

[pellius]

Sorry boys I've been between planes and airports for the last 14 hours for a business trip...  Still got one more 11 hour flight to get back home!


To answer someone's question about Halal meat...  It just means that the animal was blessed (a prayer was read during the slaughter) and killed in a humane way.  But "Halal" can also mean that its accepted in the eyes of god to consume or partake in... for example, pork and alcohol are not considered Halal.  (For someone that doesn't adhere to the rules I sure know a lot about this )

As much as this conversation will go on... American citizens will never and can never be banned from the country for being Muslims.  Its just the way it is.  Federal courts will never approve it, and the constitution will have to be changed for that to happen.  At the end of the day, this is their home too you know, there are many American born muslims that have "no other place to go" lol, what are you gonna do? just ship them off to an island?

This will most likely never happen for visitors either, but the chances maybe higher than for US citizens.


Anyways - as stated earlier I'm not into talking politics, so I'm exiting this thread gracefully.  However, feel free to reach out if you have questions!

No one is saying that. What we are saying is a temporary ban from Muslims coming into this country (of course there will be exceptions like business and government leaders that are already well known and vetted). It's the same thing like we did during the cold war with people from Russia and other Eastern Bloc countries and what Carter did with the Iranians during the late 1970s.

The threat is coming form a particular group from a particular area of the world. We cannot ignore this if we want to survive.

[240 is Back]

Country vs. Religion is the country. 

One can easily lie about religion.  COuntry of origin is much harder to fake.

If a terr'ist wants to kill people as an immigrant, he WILL lie and claim buddhist.  And we'll have to accept him, right?  Cause Trump won't close 100% of immigrants, just those who ADMIT being muslim.  So when some fool from Syria claims "athiest" then shoots shit up, well, what then?

[pellius]

Country vs. Religion is the country. 

One can easily lie about religion.  COuntry of origin is much harder to fake.

If a terr'ist wants to kill people as an immigrant, he WILL lie and claim buddhist.  And we'll have to accept him, right?  Cause Trump won't close 100% of immigrants, just those who ADMIT being muslim.  So when some fool from Syria claims "athiest" then shoots shit up, well, what then?

No one from Muslims countries allowed entry. Just like we didn't ask if someone was a Communist if they came from Russia, Ukraine, East Germany.... The restrictions were from where they came from.

And everyone will be screened from where there original point of origin is from. So if someone from Syria comes to Canada first and then tries to come into the US they will also be denied.

[Lustral]

If I was the president I would have tried to flush out the planners/perpetrators and bring them to justice, that's how a civilised, democratic country deals with an act of terrorism. the UK was bombed to fk by the IRA we didn't go dropping bombs on Ireland or even America as that's where most of their arms and funding came from!

what was achieved by the "war on terror" ? wasted billions of $ , lost soldiers and created tenfold more potential terrorists. You can't fight terrorism by bombing, invading and occupying countries.

Of course you did something to pss bin laden off, why else you think they did 9/11? being feeble minded i suppose you bought the line "they did it because they hate our freedom in the west"

defending terrorists, LOL the US state is the biggest terrorist on the planet

and in case it escaped you this is a BB forum, it's ok to be a bit "homo"

The UK did use internment in Northern Ireland (imprisonment without trials), had soldiers and checkpoints everywhere and also murdered people under the guise of paramilitaries. However, I will agree that dropping bombs wasn't going to fix it - both sides were setting enough bombs off as it was. Diplomacy, and similarity of cultures and interdependence ultimately resolved that conflict.

The thing is, the troubles stem back 400-800 years (depending on whether you count the plantations in Northern Ireland (1600s) or first invasions here) and that was a 35 year or so war (1972-1998 officially, I think...) The middle east has been a shitfest of war for longer than the book Wiggs always cites, is a mix of fuck knows how many sects of how many religions and how many political creeds, and the centre for proxy wars between other states (like US and Russia in Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia in Iraq and Syria...) It is a total and utter shitfest there. How can you fix it?

[pellius]

The UK did use internment in Northern Ireland (imprisonment without trials), had soldiers and checkpoints everywhere and also murdered people under the guise of paramilitaries. However, I will agree that dropping bombs wasn't going to fix it - both sides were setting enough bombs off as it was. Diplomacy, and similarity of cultures and interdependence ultimately resolved that conflict.

The thing is, the troubles stem back 400-800 years (depending on whether you count the plantations in Northern Ireland (1600s) or first invasions here) and that was a 35 year or so war (1972-1998 officially, I think...) The middle east has been a shitfest of war for longer than the book Wiggs always cites, is a mix of fuck knows how many sects of how many religions and how many political creeds, and the centre for proxy wars between other states (like US and Russia in Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia in Iraq and Syria...) It is a total and utter shitfest there. How can you fix it?

We can't fix the Middle East but we should stop them from bringing it over here.

[Yamcha]

and perhaps the US and its allies should learn from what happens when they (US & Allies) bring war over there

If only the US & Allies would stop holding back, and let their military have free reigns.
Stop all this pussyfooting around; either go all-in with the war effort, or get the fuck out!

[drkaje]

just for a moment consider what might not have happened if  they (US&Allies) had stayed out of the region say over the past 50 years ?
No asylum to the Shah of Iran ?
No Teheran embassy siege .....

...
No Kuwait war (to protect the noble and merciful Saudis
No Mugahadeen in the white house with Ronnie
....


One has to wonder why the USA sets itself up to be a debtor of China by engaging in long term intermittent  war  in the middle east when China will be the ultimate beneficiary 

Consider what would have happened without UN involvement.

[residue]

No one from Muslims countries allowed entry. Just like we didn't ask if someone was a Communist if they came from Russia, Ukraine, East Germany.... The restrictions were from where they came from.

And everyone will be screened from where there original point of origin is from. So if someone from Syria comes to Canada first and then tries to come into the US they will also be denied.

this is some next level dumb shit. saving christians feeling persecution from Muslims country might as well be  in the national anthem

[doriancutlerman]

Well, I appreciate that.  I do my best to learn and if a more informed perspective presents itself that simply outweighs my understanding then I'm humble enough to say "hey, I was wrong". 

I still believe that the vast majority of those that profess Islam (yet don't follow Muhammad's teachings) are truly kind, loving people.  Me, I wanna see them turned for Christ!

Further I have respect for those that disagree with me and challenge and ask questions....I enjoy that back and forth.

In the end, I just want to represent Christ, love on others and challenge them with considering a Christian walk in their lives.

You're a good dude.  Pellius, too.

[Donny]

The UK did use internment in Northern Ireland (imprisonment without trials), had soldiers and checkpoints everywhere and also murdered people under the guise of paramilitaries. However, I will agree that dropping bombs wasn't going to fix it - both sides were setting enough bombs off as it was. Diplomacy, and similarity of cultures and interdependence ultimately resolved that conflict.

The thing is, the troubles stem back 400-800 years (depending on whether you count the plantations in Northern Ireland (1600s) or first invasions here) and that was a 35 year or so war (1972-1998 officially, I think...) The middle east has been a shitfest of war for longer than the book Wiggs always cites, is a mix of fuck knows how many sects of how many religions and how many political creeds, and the centre for proxy wars between other states (like US and Russia in Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia in Iraq and Syria...) It is a total and utter shitfest there. How can you fix it?

Tell me of your experience there. I would like to know about the murder of people under the guise of Paramilitaries? which cases are you talking about? I can give you a list of British soldiers murdered and RUC, UDR .

[Conker]

"Flush out the planners/perpetrators"

What the fuck does that mean? "Flush them out". Flush them out how? We knew their based training camp was in Afghanistan.

And of course we pissed OBL off. He issued a fatwa that anyone that supports Israel is the enemy. He didn't want the presence of the US Military in Saudi Arabia, which he considered sacred territory being defiled by the American infidel. Even though Saudi Arabia is a military ally and was invited by the Saudi government.  So what? Just because OBL doesn't like something doesn't mean we should automatically cede to his wishes. He didn't like us because we don't adhere to Sharia Law.  Just because someone disagrees with us and get angry with us doesn't mean we are wrong. 

And America is the biggest terrorist? So if given a choice between Americans moving into your country or Muslims you would choose the Muslims. Well, it's already happening. Good luck with that. Just don't come over here.

I'm sure Tojo and Hirohito were angry with us. So what.

Flush him out - Use your vast intelligence/security services to track him down and either capture and try him for alleged crimes or kill him. Kind of like what you allegedly did in Pakistan in 2011, but without the invading and occupation of a nation in the meantime.

The objective in Afghanistan was apparently to destroy the Taliban for harbouring and training terrorists. How did that pan out? a decade later the US was then trying to get the Taliban around the table for peace talks because they couldn't defeat them.

Fact is Bin Laden was an ally of the US in the 80s.

"During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1670089.stm

You think he woke up one day in the 90s after previously being a 'friend' of the US and just decided "you know what I'm gonna blow these fkers up now cos they don't agree with Sharia Law"

that is ridiculous even by your own standards. as I said no doubt some dirty dealing or double crossing led to the fall out (the US has a history of it).

OK lets go over the facts once again(even discounting the invasion/occupation of afghanistan). Invaded Iraq (sovereign nation) for a reason that never existed, country now in civil war. Bombed Libyan regime out of power (sovereign nation) , country still in civil war. Armed and funded several spurious groups sparking a civil war in Syria.

hundreds of thousands of people dead in those countries since your interventions and millions more displaced. which organisation on earth comes anywhere near that in terms of terrorism over the last decade?

There are already lots of Muslims living in the same area as me, I grew up and went to school with them, they've never caused me any problems. I don't have any problems with americans coming here either as long as they're not gun toting fruitcakes.

also don't you live in a metal shack in the back of beyond or something? i doubt you'll have much say in it if ever i choose to visit the US

[Conker]

The UK did use internment in Northern Ireland (imprisonment without trials), had soldiers and checkpoints everywhere and also murdered people under the guise of paramilitaries. However, I will agree that dropping bombs wasn't going to fix it - both sides were setting enough bombs off as it was. Diplomacy, and similarity of cultures and interdependence ultimately resolved that conflict.

The thing is, the troubles stem back 400-800 years (depending on whether you count the plantations in Northern Ireland (1600s) or first invasions here) and that was a 35 year or so war (1972-1998 officially, I think...) The middle east has been a shitfest of war for longer than the book Wiggs always cites, is a mix of fuck knows how many sects of how many religions and how many political creeds, and the centre for proxy wars between other states (like US and Russia in Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia in Iraq and Syria...) It is a total and utter shitfest there. How can you fix it?

I know there is most definitely two sides to the story re the troubles in Ireland. I was only bringing up the IRA to point out that bombing or invading a country to fight an act of terrorism is ridiculous.

I agree the middle east has historically been a volatile region, but Iraq, Libya and Syria were actually relatively stable nations(and secular) before recent western intervention. they are now all fked beyond recognition.

i don't know how you fix it, but i don't think dropping more bombs is the likely the answer. we broke it by dropping bombs, ok lets drop some more to fix it. don't think it will end well.

[pellius]

this is some next level dumb shit. saving christians feeling persecution from Muslims country might as well be  in the national anthem

Really?  So open door policy for Muslims? How is that working out in Sweden? France?

As someone mentioned on this thread: why do they want to come here? They have no desire to assimilate and they support Sharia law whether radical or not.

Where do you live?

[pellius]

Flush him out - Use your vast intelligence/security services to track him down and either capture and try him for alleged crimes or kill him. Kind of like what you allegedly did in Pakistan in 2011, but without the invading and occupation of a nation in the meantime.

The objective in Afghanistan was apparently to destroy the Taliban for harbouring and training terrorists. How did that pan out? a decade later the US was then trying to get the Taliban around the table for peace talks because they couldn't defeat them.

Fact is Bin Laden was an ally of the US in the 80s.

"During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1670089.stm

You think he woke up one day in the 90s after previously being a 'friend' of the US and just decided "you know what I'm gonna blow these fkers up now cos they don't agree with Sharia Law"

that is ridiculous even by your own standards. as I said no doubt some dirty dealing or double crossing led to the fall out (the US has a history of it).

OK lets go over the facts once again(even discounting the invasion/occupation of afghanistan). Invaded Iraq (sovereign nation) for a reason that never existed, country now in civil war. Bombed Libyan regime out of power (sovereign nation) , country still in civil war. Armed and funded several spurious groups sparking a civil war in Syria.

hundreds of thousands of people dead in those countries since your interventions and millions more displaced. which organisation on earth comes anywhere near that in terms of terrorism over the last decade?

There are already lots of Muslims living in the same area as me, I grew up and went to school with them, they've never caused me any problems. I don't have any problems with americans coming here either as long as they're not gun toting fruitcakes.

also don't you live in a metal shack in the back of beyond or something? i doubt you'll have much say in it if ever i choose to visit the US

Flush who out? We already knew who the preps were? It was Bin Laden and Al Queda and they were based in Afghanistan. We destroyed their base, they scattered and we eventually tracked down Bin Laden and killed him.

You have no understanding why we went to Iraq and what cause the rise in ISIS.

I'm glad you enjoy living with Muslims. Keep them there and not here in the US. Does others on this board from the UK feel it's also a good thing to have Muslims moving in?

I live in a house in Hawaii 20 yards from the shore line. I've posted pics and even my address. And what makes you think I wouldn't have much to say if you should "choose to visit"? You think I'd be intimidated by some queer who pulls up his shorts up into his crotch to show off his legs.

[Pray_4_War]

A few of my random thoughts................ ...

*We are under no obligation to allow anyone to immigrate to the United States.  People do not have a God given right to come here.

*We have every right to protect our borders and to protect the citizens of this country from a large scale and grave threat like this.

*I'm not comfortable singling people out based on religion but I have no problem telling people from hostile middle eastern countries to stay out for a while.

*It is IMPOSSIBLE to vet the Syrian refugees and anyone who tells you different is LYING to you.

[TuHolmes]

A few of my random thoughts................ ...

*We are under no obligation to allow anyone to immigrate to the United States.  People do not have a God given right to come here.

*We have every right to protect our borders and to protect the citizens of this country from a large scale and grave threat like this.

*I'm not comfortable singling people out based on religion but I have no problem telling people from hostile middle eastern countries to stay out for a while.

*It is IMPOSSIBLE to vet the Syrian refugees and anyone who tells you different is LYING to you.

Reasonable thoughts.

I can get on board with this.

I do question as to how large the scale and grave the threat is, mostly because I always feel like we are being lied to, but I can understand your point.

[Lustral]

Tell me of your experience there. I would like to know about the murder of people under the guise of Paramilitaries? which cases are you talking about? I can give you a list of British soldiers murdered and RUC, UDR .

I am from the Republic of Ireland, I did not have to live through that, thankfully. Every morning I remember the news was about a bomb, or shooting or kneecapping in Northern Ireland, and more often than you would imagine there were bombs that killed 10-25+ people and destroyed whole streets.

I did visit there a few times before any ceasefire and it meant being searched at gunpoint by the british army, even as a 7 year old, as your car was searched. Cannot blame them as the IRA used proxy bombs and other methods to kill soldiers aside from direct attacks.

Google: british murders northern ireland government involvement

You will see countless cases. Pat Finicane was a prominent murder, but the killings on Bloody Sunday would be the most well known. The thing is, part of the political agreement was that for 20 years (so until 2018) many of the details of murders from both sides would not be revealed or made public.

Oh, and if you are wondering, I have no respect for the murder of soldiers or civilians as they were carried out. I have friends who feel strongly against this as they are older and know people oppressed and murdered from that conflict - they call me sheltered (rightly so) - but I am saying what I know and how I feel.

By the way, the RUC were a sectarian police force. The "Royal" Ulster Constabulary, which banned/omitted catholics (therefore nationalists) from joining, was not a police force. It was a tool of oppression hence there is now the PSNI.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Impossible to vet Muslims. These people have been going Crypto for thousands of years. Hell everyone coming out of the middle east(including Israel) use different names. Now a shitload of Brews from the African Continent have started doing the same thing...We have people in politics using fake names and fake religions. Hollywood itself is made up of people using fake names. American news media have people using fake names. Crypto's are all over the fucking place...

[pellius]

A few of my random thoughts................ ...

*We are under no obligation to allow anyone to immigrate to the United States.  People do not have a God given right to come here.

*We have every right to protect our borders and to protect the citizens of this country from a large scale and grave threat like this.

*I'm not comfortable singling people out based on religion but I have no problem telling people from hostile middle eastern countries to stay out for a while.

*It is IMPOSSIBLE to vet the Syrian refugees and anyone who tells you different is LYING to you.

I agree with everything except Muslims/Islam, doesn't seem to me to be just a religion but also political ideology. Every believing and practicing Muslim believes in Sharia law. There is no separation between church and State. The US is a primarily Christian country but no one is required to be a Christian. Not so under Sharia law.