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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #250 on: December 14, 2015, 05:27:06 PM »
I agree with everything except Muslims/Islam, doesn't seem to me to be just a religion but also political ideology. Every believing and practicing Muslim believes in Sharia law. There is no separation between church and State. The US is a primarily Christian country but no one is required to be a Christian. Not so under Sharia law.

I don't think that any western country is primarly christian, because most people ridicule christianity and don't believe shit. People worship themselves. There may exist "christian" traditions but they are being stripped down fast anyway. Christianity mostly strives inside some people's hearts and people think you're a looney toon if you confess out loud to believe in jesus.

btw your post reminded me of this.


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« Reply #251 on: December 14, 2015, 05:37:05 PM »
I don't think that any western country is primarly christian, because most people ridicule christianity and don't believe shit. People worship themselves. There may exist "christian" traditions but they are being stripped down fast anyway. Christianity mostly strives inside some people's hearts and people think you're a looney toon if you confess out loud to believe in jesus.

btw your post reminded me of this.



I don't understand why people insist on denying this. Nobody questions that Israel is primarily Jewish or Iran is primarily Shite Muslim. But there seems to be a bias against Christianity, the largest religious group in the world. America was founded on Judea/Christian ethics and evidence is over whelming. Our next President is still going to put his hand on the Bible in his swearing in ceremony.

It is true that the percentage of people who identify themselves as Christian in America has fallen. 2014 statistics has it as 71%.

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« Reply #252 on: December 14, 2015, 05:42:10 PM »
Any way to deteriorate the Islamic cancer and halt its spread is a good way.

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« Reply #253 on: December 14, 2015, 06:35:59 PM »
Remember the good ol' days, when we were a country of immigrants who didn't wanna kill us? Ahh, good times, those.

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« Reply #254 on: December 14, 2015, 06:39:02 PM »
I don't understand why people insist on denying this. Nobody questions that Israel is primarily Jewish or Iran is primarily Shite Muslim. But there seems to be a bias against Christianity, the largest religious group in the world. America was founded on Judea/Christian ethics and evidence is over whelming. Our next President is still going to put his hand on the Bible in his swearing in ceremony.

It is true that the percentage of people who identify themselves as Christian in America has fallen. 2014 statistics has it as 71%.

No, that is not the case.

The US was not founded upon any religion and is a country whose own foundation specifically states so.

Now whether or not most people are Christian is certainly not up for debate. The question is whether or not the US is a "Christian" nation, and it is not as there is no religion slated as the religion of the government.



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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #255 on: December 14, 2015, 10:09:19 PM »
No one from Muslims countries allowed entry.

What % of the country should be muslim?

Tricky here.   Parts of Russia (Dagestan) are 49% muslim.  Are we banning all russians now?

Ten % of france is muslim.  Do we ban all frenchies?   Spain is 10% too.   It's slippery slope (which is why I condone stopping ALL immigration)/   We let 1 million people in EVERY YEAR.   At least 10% of them are muslim?  Maybe more, maybe less?

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #256 on: December 14, 2015, 11:48:30 PM »
No, that is not the case.

The US was not founded upon any religion and is a country whose own foundation specifically states so.

Now whether or not most people are Christian is certainly not up for debate. The question is whether or not the US is a "Christian" nation, and it is not as there is no religion slated as the religion of the government.




No, you are just wrong. I don't understand why people like you insist on perpetuating this relatively new idea.

Any country where there is a rule of law it is based on a value system. In America this was based on the Judeo/Christian ethic. This is not the same as a Government sanctioned religion.

You believe what you want. To me it's like arguing with a person who still believes that the earth is flat. The evidence is so overwhelming that it's not even worth debating. We will soon be celebrating a Christian holiday, the birth of Christ -- which I'm sure you will deny as well. Even the original Americans, the Pilgrims, were Christians and it was their religious beliefs as one of the reason they left England. You, and those like you, have some anti-Christian/anti-religion agenda. Don't understand why you are so against Christianity but whatever. Like I said, there are still people who believe that the earth is flat and if you want to delude yourself or lie to yourself or ignore the facts and protest against Nativity Scenes or people saying "Merry Christmas" it's a free country.

As for me, it's "In God We Trust". A phrase on the back of every American currency. And it's not the Muslim god, the Hindu god or the Krishna god -- it's the Christian God.

This, In The Year Of Our Lord, 2015.

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #257 on: December 14, 2015, 11:59:15 PM »
What % of the country should be muslim?

Tricky here.   Parts of Russia (Dagestan) are 49% muslim.  Are we banning all russians now?

Ten % of france is muslim.  Do we ban all frenchies?   Spain is 10% too.   It's slippery slope (which is why I condone stopping ALL immigration)/   We let 1 million people in EVERY YEAR.   At least 10% of them are muslim?  Maybe more, maybe less?

That's like asking "What percentage of this country should be Japanese?" What percentage of this country should be Korean?" "What percentage of this country should Ukrainian?" "What percentage of this country should be Mexican?"

Are you suggesting that we should have completely open borders?

Are you against any restrictions on Muslims coming into this country?

100% or people in this country that are citizens or ALLOWED to be citizens should be AMERICAN. One of the problems this country is having is not from any particular race or ethnicity but in an unwillingness to assimilate.


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« Reply #258 on: December 15, 2015, 12:19:13 AM »
No, you are just wrong. I don't understand why people like you insist on perpetuating this relatively new idea.

Any country where there is a rule of law it is based on a value system. In America this was based on the Judeo/Christian ethic. This is not the same as a Government sanctioned religion.

You believe what you want. To me it's like arguing with a person who still believes that the earth is flat. The evidence is so overwhelming that it's not even worth debating. We will soon be celebrating a Christian holiday, the birth of Christ -- which I'm sure you will deny as well. Even the original Americans, the Pilgrims, were Christians and it was their religious beliefs as one of the reason they left England. You, and those like you, have some anti-Christian/anti-religion agenda. Don't understand why you are so against Christianity but whatever. Like I said, there are still people who believe that the earth is flat and if you want to delude yourself or lie to yourself or ignore the facts and protest against Nativity Scenes or people saying "Merry Christmas" it's a free country.

As for me, it's "In God We Trust". A phrase on the back of every American currency. And it's not the Muslim god, the Hindu god or the Krishna god -- it's the Christian God.

This, In The Year Of Our Lord, 2015.


Well. Considering the fact that if Jesus was a real person that he would have been born in The Spring because the Palestinian winters are too cold and tax time is always in the spring when he would have been born.

Yes. The celebration is ridiculous.

It was completely stolen from pagan holidays including the roman holiday of Saturnalia.

I don't protest against Merry Christmas or any of that other shit. If people want to celebrate the season how they see fit, I don't give a shit.

The reality is that while people may have been Christian the government of the USA was not founded on inherently Christian beliefs.

They are not necessarily connected and many writings of the Founding Fathers of this country state so.

You say I am ignoring things, but you are as well.

 

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #259 on: December 15, 2015, 02:18:00 AM »
Well. Considering the fact that if Jesus was a real person that he would have been born in The Spring because the Palestinian winters are too cold and tax time is always in the spring when he would have been born.

Yes. The celebration is ridiculous.

It was completely stolen from pagan holidays including the roman holiday of Saturnalia.

I don't protest against Merry Christmas or any of that other shit. If people want to celebrate the season how they see fit, I don't give a shit.

The reality is that while people may have been Christian the government of the USA was not founded on inherently Christian beliefs.

They are not necessarily connected and many writings of the Founding Fathers of this country state so.

You say I am ignoring things, but you are as well.

 

Nobody believes that Jesus was born in the winter but there is a reason why it is celebrated just after the winter solstice. I would think you would know this being so versed in the founding of American independence.

And as the Pilgrims and Americans sought to break free from British oppression; John Adams, Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson (three of the five founding fathers (google for the other two)) wanted the Great Seal to feature the story of the Exodus with Franklin wanting to feature the parting of the Red Sea and Moses raising his staff; whereas Jefferson wanted a scene from Exodus showing the  Israelites led through the wilderness by a cloud in daytime and a pillar of fire at night.

Just a coincidence that they saw the parallels and wanted the Exodus to symbolize the FOUNDING of America and freeing themselves from the enslavement of the British "Pharaoh".

Nothing to do with the Bible and the Judeo/Christian value system.

But you keep believing what you want and convincing yourself you're right. Just look up in the sky. Isn't it obvious that the sun revolves around the earth? It rises in the East and sets in the West.

Of course, my friend. Now run along and try not to hurt yourself or others.

BTW, are you an American?

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #260 on: December 15, 2015, 03:00:13 AM »
Well. Considering the fact that if Jesus was a real person that he would have been born in The Spring because the Palestinian winters are too cold and tax time is always in the spring when he would have been born.

I just realized that you implied that Jesus was born in "Palestine" instead of Bethlehem.

It wasn't until 1995 that Israel turned over the city of Bethlehem to the Palestinian Authority as part of the Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement. Another foolish and naive deal where Israel has to surrender something concrete, more land, for a promise of peace. A promise that is ALWAYS broken. ALWAYS.

Again this was in 1995.

It's like if I were to refer to Rhodesia's Prime Minister, Ian Smith, as the Prime Minister of Zimbabwe or that the Secretary General of the UN, U Thant, was born in Myanmar instead Burma.

But at least now I know where you are coming from. Dishonest and agenda driven.

Google "Where was Jesus born" and see how hard you have to search to find a link that says "Jesus was born in Palestine".

Please tell me you are not an American.

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #261 on: December 15, 2015, 03:10:15 AM »
Flush who out? We already knew who the preps were? It was Bin Laden and Al Queda and they were based in Afghanistan. We destroyed their base, they scattered and we eventually tracked down Bin Laden and killed him.

You have no understanding why we went to Iraq and what cause the rise in ISIS.

I'm glad you enjoy living with Muslims. Keep them there and not here in the US. Does others on this board from the UK feel it's also a good thing to have Muslims moving in?

I live in a house in Hawaii 20 yards from the shore line. I've posted pics and even my address. And what makes you think I wouldn't have much to say if you should "choose to visit"? You think I'd be intimidated by some queer who pulls up his shorts up into his crotch to show off his legs.



no you declared a "war on terror" preceded to invade and occupy a country, then a decade later ended up grovelling to the group you originally went after (the taliban) for peace talks because you couldn't defeat them.

how do you think your war on terror has worked out? apart from destroying several nations, you think there are now less or more potential terrorists as a result ?

oh and please enlighten me as to why you invaded iraq because you are right i really have no idea why you did, beyond suspecting it was part of calculated plan to destabilise the region.

also what is your obsession with my shorts ,legs and now "crotch" ?! i am starting to understand why you have gained a reputation on here for being a sexual deviant and pervert.

and why would i be trying to "intimidate" a wrinkly, old prune of a man that looks like he'd snap if a strong gust of wind hit him....and c'mon how can a man that willingly accepted being labelled an "elf" by an anonymous homo on the internet he referred to as "god"... call anyone a queer!  that is just comical.

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #262 on: December 15, 2015, 03:49:11 AM »
no you declared a "war on terror" preceded to invade and occupy a country, then a decade later ended up grovelling to the group you originally went after (the taliban) for peace talks because you couldn't defeat them.

how do you think your war on terror has worked out? apart from destroying several nations, you think there are now less or more potential terrorists as a result ?

oh and please enlighten me as to why you invaded iraq because you are right i really have no idea why you did, beyond suspecting it was part of calculated plan to destabilise the region.

also what is your obsession with my shorts ,legs and now "crotch" ?! i am starting to understand why you have gained a reputation on here for being a sexual deviant and pervert.

and why would i be trying to "intimidate" a wrinkly, old prune of a man that looks like he'd snap if a strong gust of wind hit him....and c'mon how can a man that willingly accepted being labelled an "elf" by an anonymous homo on the internet he referred to as "god"... call anyone a queer!  that is just comical.

It's hard to take you seriously because you are so uninformed. You claimed your solution was to "flush out the perpetrators" when we already knew who they were. We know because they tell us. I was a DOD contractor for twenty years and followed this stuff very, very closely.

Our current failures are the result of the policies of Obama. We did a lot of good in Iraq. Toppled a tyrant who had designs to rule the Middle East and attack all of his neighbors. Most importantly we didn't steal their oil as so many thought we would but we bought it, and at market prices, and the money went to their people instead of in Hussein's pockets. We didn't lose in Iraq, we left. Just like we did in Vietnam. Do you remember what happened after we left Vietnam? Of course you don't remember because you never knew. You criticize us for "butting in " in Korea. Do you remember, or ever knew, that there was a Cold war and Communist expansionism? Have you noticed the difference between North Korea and South Korea. A stark example of how life would be if Communism won instead Democracy.

Al Qaeda is just a shadow of what it once was. We destroyed their base in Afghanistan and scattered their force. We have consistently and systematically killed their leaders, including OBL, and disrupted their network. You hardly even hear of them anymore except for their resentment of ISIS since they are getting all the limelight.

I've explained in agonizing detail why we invaded Iraq and would have done so even if we were never attacked on 9/11 or had a "war on terror".

Though I believe this will exceed your attention span level and probably beyond your comprehension, I will look up my posts and re post them here.

Keep in mind that in life one can rarely be absolutely sure of anything. All we have to go by is the evidence on hand. Why we thought Iraq had WMD's and/or designs to develop and produce WMDs and should ceased fire agreements mean anything.

You asked for it.

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #263 on: December 15, 2015, 03:58:27 AM »
As far as or invasion of Iraq. People have very short memories. We had a cease fire agreement with Iraq following the first Gulf War. An agreement that Hussein continued to violate. In our attempt to enforce the no fly zones (to keep him from killing the Kurds which he has done before) Iraq shot at our planes almost daily. Even one such attack is considered an act of war. Hussein continuously violated the UN resolutions, sixteen of them. We kept drawing lines in the sand and Hussein continued to ignore them. Bush stood before the UN Security Council and stated that if the UN did not enforce the security council resolutions then the U.S. would. A final resolution, Resolution 1441, as a last opportunity to comply with the disarmament agreement and the various terms of the cease fire agreement the Security Council passed this Resolution with a unanimous vote, 15-0, including Russia and Syria. This Resolution had wider support than the Resolution passed authorizing the first Gulf War which was unique in it's vast world wide support.

When Saddam Hussein called our bluff and ignored Resolution 1441 he signed his death warrant. His dealings with Clinton convinced him that America was weak. After all, he was able to ignore all the warnings and Resolutions throughout the Clinton administration without consequences. But Bush was no Clinton.

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I also want to address the Iraqi WMD issue as a separate topic because, again, people have short or selective memories.

It is true that we did not know as a matter of fact that Iraq was at the time in possession of WMDs. We would have to had invaded their country to determine that because he kicked out the inspectors. So why did we think he did?

Well, we know for a fact that Iraq had in the past possessed WMDs because he used them -- against his own people, the Kurds and against the Iranians.

We knew he had ambitions to develop nuclear weapons and build a nuclear reactor because he built one, with the help of the French, which was destroyed by the Israelis in 1981. The Osirak
reactor. Predictably, Israel was condemned for this act as they will be when they destroy Iran's nuclear reactor if they should get one. Hussein also was very clear about ruling the Middle East, including Saudi Arabia, and controlling the entire regions oil supply. He had a huge incentive to develop, and be willing to use, WMDs.

In addition to the U.S., ALL the major intelligence agencies: Britain, Germany, Russia, China, Israel, and France, believe that Hussein had, has, or was developing WMDs. Bill and Hillary Clinton at the time believed that Hussein had WMDs in addition to Kerry, Pelosi, Daschle, Gore, Kennedy, Rockefeller... indeed 77 of the Senators at the time. Very few remember that Hans Blix, who headed the inspection team, discovered chemical rocket warheads in a bunker in Baghdad. Something that was big news at the time. The inspectors were subsequently expelled from Iraq by Hussein.

So let me ask you, and be honest, did you believe at the time that Hussein had and/or actively developing WMDs? If not, what did you know at the time that ALL the intelligence agencies as well as the majority of the Senate and Congress did not know and how did you know it?

Violation of every single UN Security Resolutions, possession and use of WMDs in the past, developing a nuclear reactor, invading and attacking his neighbors, open designs for a "Greater Iraq" and controlling the Middle East oil supply, kicking out the inspectors. And we were suppose to have just taken his word.

To avoid war all Hussein would have had to do is exactly what Libya did after we invaded Iraq and Gaddafi saw the writing on the wall. He opened his country to inspections. We gave Hussein a lot of warnings. Endless warnings and lines in the sand. Don't you remember how long it dragged on? How we stood there endlessly with our ships and troops parked and ready to go?

He called our bluff.

And we had "no business" invading Iraq?

You can still disagree with our invasion of Iraq, and in retrospect you may be right, but to say that we had no compelling reasons or no business or that Bush lied is just simply not true.



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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #264 on: December 15, 2015, 04:22:44 AM »
That's like asking "What percentage of this country should be Japanese?" What percentage of this country should be Korean?" "What percentage of this country should Ukrainian?" "What percentage of this country should be Mexican?"

Are you suggesting that we should have completely open borders?

Are you against any restrictions on Muslims coming into this country?

100% or people in this country that are citizens or ALLOWED to be citizens should be AMERICAN. One of the problems this country is having is not from any particular race or ethnicity but in an unwillingness to assimilate.



you must have missed the 50 posts where I said it's time to freeze ALL immigration for ONE YEAR while we determine what works, what does not, and figure out the nation vs religion argument.

A self-proclaimed athiest from france might be muslim.   people can easily lie.  Therefore just taking someone's word they aren't muslim just doesnt' fly anymore.


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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #265 on: December 15, 2015, 04:26:02 AM »
ISIS has bragged they are using immigration to get bad guys in.  That's all we need to say "okay, freeze ALL immigration for a short time, and let our military deal with isis".

I know this country is built on immigration, but it's time for a quick pause.  The female cali shooter had posted pro-isis stuff online, and our current technology didn't catch it when she applied to come here.   This shows us it's time to PAUSE and spend a little time coming up with a BETTER way to vet people.  IF they can go on facebook and trash the USA, then apply to come here, and we cannot make that connection, then yeah, it's time to pause and focus on connecting those 2 things.

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« Reply #266 on: December 15, 2015, 04:35:34 AM »
ISIS has bragged they are using immigration to get bad guys in.  That's all we need to say "okay, freeze ALL immigration for a short time, and let our military deal with isis".

I know this country is built on immigration, but it's time for a quick pause.  The female cali shooter had posted pro-isis stuff online, and our current technology didn't catch it when she applied to come here.   This shows us it's time to PAUSE and spend a little time coming up with a BETTER way to vet people.  IF they can go on facebook and trash the USA, then apply to come here, and we cannot make that connection, then yeah, it's time to pause and focus on connecting those 2 things.

This needs to be done in every damn country, not just in murica. Pause the immigration, make sharia ideology illegal in every country like selling drugs, destroy isis "military", deport all the immigrant rapists and other criminals out of our lands and then come up with a great plan to go by.

Even swedens prime minister admitted that sweden has been naive with it's immigration policies, sweden's prime minister for fuck sake :D

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #267 on: December 15, 2015, 04:40:34 AM »
you must have missed the 50 posts where I said it's time to freeze ALL immigration for ONE YEAR while we determine what works, what does not, and figure out the nation vs religion argument.

A self-proclaimed athiest from france might be muslim.   people can easily lie.  Therefore just taking someone's word they aren't muslim just doesnt' fly anymore.



Yes, I did miss your 50  posts. And apparently I misinterpreted your question. You seem to like to play devil's advocate for it's own sake. That's fine, I guess. You seem to like to portray yourself as holding one position and you actually hold another. Your question gave the impression that you did not support some tightening up of our immigration policy. Some dramatic tightening up.

Anyway, I don't really worry too much about you because you support Ted Cruz. That's all that really matters and is the bottom line for me regarding this political cycle.

No matter how well Trump does in the polls, I believe in the end, the people who actually vote,  serious people, will go with a Cruz or Rubio. There's just too much at stake to trust an entertainer/businessman with no political experience and shoots off the cuff.

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #268 on: December 15, 2015, 05:07:22 AM »
ISIS has bragged they are using immigration to get bad guys in.  That's all we need to say "okay, freeze ALL immigration for a short time, and let our military deal with isis".

I know this country is built on immigration, but it's time for a quick pause.  The female cali shooter had posted pro-isis stuff online, and our current technology didn't catch it when she applied to come here.   This shows us it's time to PAUSE and spend a little time coming up with a BETTER way to vet people.  IF they can go on facebook and trash the USA, then apply to come here, and we cannot make that connection, then yeah, it's time to pause and focus on connecting those 2 things.

Yes, I agree 100%. What's ironic about this "war" is that our enemy tells us what they are going to do and they tells us what they have done and claim responsibility for it. Yet, we are always caught flat footed.

ISIS is now a well organized, well financed army marauding in Iraq.
If there is one thing the U.S. does well is pitched battle -- two opposing armies on an open battle field. When the battle is clearly defined like that we win, we win every time.

With all the talk of how entrenched Baghdad was and how it would be a blood bath we marched in destroying anything that stood in our way. In Gulf War 1, as the Iraqis slaughtered, pillaged and raped the Kuwaitis, they shit their pants and ran in fear at the sight of our Abrams Tanks grimly rolling in. Even in Vietnam we won every single pitched battle. Every single one. Sure there were moments, like during the Tet offensive where we were caught by surprised and suffered losses, but when the dust settle, regardless how it was portrayed in the media, it was a disaster for the North. For every one soldier we lost they lost ten. The NVA and VC were roundly expulsed and sent retreating with their tails between their legs.

This battle with ISIS is tailor made for us. We will destroy them. This is what we do best.

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #269 on: December 15, 2015, 06:16:27 AM »
Yes, I agree 100%. What's ironic about this "war" is that our enemy tells us what they are going to do and they tells us what they have done and claim responsibility for it. Yet, we are always caught flat footed.

ISIS is now a well organized, well financed army marauding in Iraq.
If there is one thing the U.S. does well is pitched battle -- two opposing armies on an open battle field. When the battle is clearly defined like that we win, we win every time.

With all the talk of how entrenched Baghdad was and how it would be a blood bath we marched in destroying anything that stood in our way. In Gulf War 1, as the Iraqis slaughtered, pillaged and raped the Kuwaitis, they shit their pants and ran in fear at the sight of our Abrams Tanks grimly rolling in. Even in Vietnam we won every single pitched battle. Every single one. Sure there were moments, like during the Tet offensive where we were caught by surprised and suffered losses, but when the dust settle, regardless how it was portrayed in the media, it was a disaster for the North. For every one soldier we lost they lost ten. The NVA and VC were roundly expulsed and sent retreating with their tails between their legs.

This battle with ISIS is tailor made for us. We will destroy them. This is what we do best.
I remember years ago when the Black Watch(senior Highland Regiment) were in Berlin they had a field exercise against the US Infantry.. they beat the shit out of the US Guys. Just saying.

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #270 on: December 15, 2015, 06:40:03 AM »
It's hard to take you seriously because you are so uninformed. You claimed your solution was to "flush out the perpetrators" when we already knew who they were. We know because they tell us. I was a DOD contractor for twenty years and followed this stuff very, very closely.

Our current failures are the result of the policies of Obama. We did a lot of good in Iraq. Toppled a tyrant who had designs to rule the Middle East and attack all of his neighbors. Most importantly we didn't steal their oil as so many thought we would but we bought it, and at market prices, and the money went to their people instead of in Hussein's pockets. We didn't lose in Iraq, we left. Just like we did in Vietnam. Do you remember what happened after we left Vietnam? Of course you don't remember because you never knew. You criticize us for "butting in " in Korea. Do you remember, or ever knew, that there was a Cold war and Communist expansionism? Have you noticed the difference between North Korea and South Korea. A stark example of how life would be if Communism won instead Democracy.

Al Qaeda is just a shadow of what it once was. We destroyed their base in Afghanistan and scattered their force. We have consistently and systematically killed their leaders, including OBL, and disrupted their network. You hardly even hear of them anymore except for their resentment of ISIS since they are getting all the limelight.

I've explained in agonizing detail why we invaded Iraq and would have done so even if we were never attacked on 9/11 or had a "war on terror".

Though I believe this will exceed your attention span level and probably beyond your comprehension, I will look up my posts and re post them here.

Keep in mind that in life one can rarely be absolutely sure of anything. All we have to go by is the evidence on hand. Why we thought Iraq had WMD's and/or designs to develop and produce WMDs and should ceased fire agreements mean anything.

You asked for it.

Pellius , you are a poster boy for the term "useful idiot"

flush out = flush suspects out of hiding. you seem to be having some trouble grasping the meaning of that term!

You lap up your state sponsored propaganda even though at this stage only a complete idiot could still believe it. "we did a lot of good work in iraq" "got rid of a tyrant"

reality - you took a secular, stable and relatively prosperous country and turned it into a lawless, hell hole over run by religious fanatics, thousands dead and millions displaced, all on the back of a lie. and you in your infinite stupidity sit there and say "we did a lot of good and then we left"

you say "al qaeda is now only a shadow of what it once was" , oh great so your 15 years of warmongering in the middle east brought about the weakening one terrorist group whilst giving birth to another (ISIS) which make the former look like a bunch of girl guides.

and i didn't "criticised the US for butting in" . i made an observation that since WWII the US has continually stirred up trouble and stuck it's nose into the affairs of other countries. which is indisputable fact.

what i said was the UK and europe should have stayed well out of your latest bout of warmongering in the middle east as your 'wars' are rarely worthwhile and even more rarely achieve their given objectives.






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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #271 on: December 15, 2015, 06:46:49 AM »
Pellius , you are a poster boy for the term "useful idiot"

flush out = flush suspects out of hiding. you seem to be having some trouble grasping the meaning of that term!

You lap up your state sponsored propaganda even though at this stage only a complete idiot could still believe it. "we did a lot of good work in iraq" "got rid of a tyrant"

reality - you took a secular, stable and relatively prosperous country and turned it into a lawless, hell hole over run by religious fanatics, thousands dead and millions displaced, all on the back of a lie. and you in your infinite stupidity sit there and say "we did a lot of good and then we left"

you say "al qaeda is now only a shadow of what it once was" , oh great so your 15 years of warmongering in the middle east brought about the weakening one terrorist group whilst giving birth to another (ISIS) which make the former look like a bunch of girl guides.

and i didn't "criticised the US for butting in" . i made an observation that since WWII the US has continually stirred up trouble and stuck it's nose into the affairs of other countries. which is indisputable fact.

what i said was the UK and europe should have stayed well out of your latest bout of warmongering in the middle east as your 'wars' are rarely worthwhile and even more rarely achieve their given objectives.






Relax.... Pellius is a Filipino living in Hawaii. He is the furthest thing from an American, and his opinion are baseless.

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #272 on: December 15, 2015, 07:12:58 AM »
Relax.... Pellius is a Filipino living in Hawaii. He is the furthest thing from an American, and his opinion are baseless.
Pellius is OK he is entitled to his opinion.

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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #273 on: December 15, 2015, 07:18:20 AM »
Really?  So open door policy for Muslims? How is that working out in Sweden? France?

As someone mentioned on this thread: why do they want to come here? They have no desire to assimilate and they support Sharia law whether radical or not.

Where do you live?



Why do they want to come here? because western intervention has destabilized their homeland and people for the most part just want to live in peace, get a job, feed, clothed and provide a roof for their family. and that's the image america gives off.

Have you ever live in a metropolis? No one assimilates. Even in the famed melting pot everyone keeps to their own kind;
Chinatown, Little Italy, Harlem, flushing(Asians), ktown(korea town), bay ridge(Italians\Irish), hillside(bengali), Astoria(greek), sunnyside\woodside(irish), Jackson heights(south Asians), midwood(jewish), bensonhurst(Italian,Russian), ect ect ect

well i live in nyc, I was working at 2 rector street on 9\11.

where do you live?


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Re: Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?
« Reply #274 on: December 15, 2015, 07:19:24 AM »
Pellius is OK he is entitled to his opinion.

But is it an educated opinion?