Why is Hitlery not in jail?

[Dos Equis]

He invaded a sovereign nation.

That's a war crime.

Just because he "believed" something doesn't excuse his crime. Even Kofi-Annan said it was an illegal war.

The war was illegal. Period.

He had authority from the UN Security Council, so no it wasn't a "war crime," or more accurately, it was not a violation of the Geneva Conventions or any other laws regarding use of force in a foreign country. 

He also had authority from Congress. 

You are welcome to your opinion, but the facts are the facts. 

[TuHolmes]

He had authority from the UN Security Council, so no it wasn't a "war crime," or more accurately, it was not a violation of the Geneva Conventions or any other laws regarding use of force in a foreign country.  

He also had authority from Congress.  

You are welcome to your opinion, but the facts are the facts.  

Funny you mention the UN

Kofi-Annan said it was a crime.

Interesting.

The facts are that numerous people. Consider his invasion of Iraq a crime.

So the opinion that it's a crime or isn't isn't universal.

[Dos Equis]

Funny you mention the UN

Kofi-Annan said it was a crime.

Interesting.

The facts are that numerous people. Consider his invasion of Iraq a crime.

So the opinion that it's a crime or isn't isn't universal.

There are lots of people who believe it was a "crime."  The fact is there were several UN resolutions that authorized the use of force and we had a conditional cease fire that was violated.  In fact, we never actually stopped fighting after the cease fire.  For example, we dropped hundreds of bombs from 1999 to 2002.  All of that was done under the same UN Security Council Resolutions that authorized the use of force. 

[TuHolmes]

There are lots of people who believe it was a "crime."  The fact is there were several UN resolutions that authorized the use of force and we had a conditional cease fire that was violated.  In fact, we never actually stopped fighting after the cease fire.  For example, we dropped hundreds of bombs from 1999 to 2002.  All of that was done under the same UN Security Council Resolutions that authorized the use of force. 

You can say that. However that is not a consensus and you are of course well aware of that. There are numerous legal groups that have stated the illegal action of the war in 2002.

None of it really matters in the context of the thread, so as a mod, I would expect better of you in keeping the thread on track.

[Dos Equis]

You can say that. However that is not a consensus and you are of course well aware of that. There are numerous legal groups that have stated the illegal action of the war in 2002.

None of it really matters in the context of the thread, so as a mod, I would expect better of you in keeping the thread on track.

Nobody said there was a consensus about opinions.  I'm talking about the fact that the UN Security Council passed resolutions authorizing the use of force in Iraq.  And that Congress authorized the use of force in Iraq.   

Me being a "mod" doesn't have squat to do with this subject.  Regarding the subject, we've already established that Patreus was convicted of a crime.  There are also numerous instances of high level political figures at the federal and state level who have been convicted and served jail time.   

[TuHolmes]

Nobody said there was a consensus about opinions.  I'm talking about the fact that the UN Security Council passed resolutions authorizing the use of force in Iraq.  And that Congress authorized the use of force in Iraq.   

Me being a "mod" doesn't have squat to do with this subject.  Regarding the subject, we've already established that Patreus was convicted of a crime.  There are also numerous instances of high level political figures at the federal and state level who have been convicted and served jail time.   

Who was the last high level politician at the federal level who served jail time for a federal crime?

[Dos Equis]

Who was the last high level politician at the federal level who served jail time for a federal crime?

What difference does it make if it's a federal crime? 

In any event, I think the most recent one was former Congressman Michael Grimm of New York who was sentenced to three months in prison for felony tax evasion.

I believe former Democrat Jesse Jackson Jr. got out of prison this year?  Convicted of wire and mail fraud involving campaign funds.

There a lot of others.     

[TuHolmes]

What difference does it make if it's a federal crime? 

In any event, I think the most recent one was former Congressman Michael Grimm of New York who was sentenced to three months in prison for felony tax evasion.

I believe former Democrat Jesse Jackson Jr. got out of prison this year?  Convicted of wire and mail fraud involving campaign funds.

There a lot of others.     

You are making the case for me, you don't even realize it.

And neither of those were "high" up.

2 of 535 in congress at any one time. Which doesn't include how many people have fully served in the last 20 or even 30 years. 2 of 535 is .003%

Zero ever of the legislative branch.

Zero judicial branch.

How many directors of any high level agencies?

Hahahaha.

You're really showing me. Oh yes.

[Dos Equis]

You are making the case for me, you don't even realize it.

And neither of those were "high" up.

2 of 535 in congress at any one time. Which doesn't include how many people have fully served in the last 20 or even 30 years. 2 of 535 is .003%

Zero ever of the legislative branch.

Zero judicial branch.

How many directors of any high level agencies?

Hahahaha.

You're really showing me. Oh yes.

A Congressman isn't a "high" level politician?  lol  Ok.  Whatever. 

I could give you other examples of Senators, Governors, staff/agency members of the Executive branch who have served time in prison, but you'd probably change your definition to mean only the president.  lol 

[TuHolmes]

A Congressman isn't a "high" level politician?  lol  Ok.  Whatever. 

I could give you other examples of Senators, Governors, staff/agency members of the Executive branch who have served time in prison, but you'd probably change your definition to mean only the president.  lol 

No. I just don't consider your percentage high enough to count.

.003% of all the criminal acts committed by congress.

Never someone that's appointed by the president.

Congressman. That's high up? You don't even know 10% of the congressman off the top of your head and you know it.

High up is someone you would know pretty much immediately.

Whatever dude.

[Dos Equis]

No. I just don't consider your percentage high enough to count.

.003% of all the criminal acts committed by congress.

Never someone that's appointed by the president.

Congressman. That's high up? You don't even know 10% of the congressman off the top of your head and you know it.

High up is someone you would know pretty much immediately.

Whatever dude.

Be careful with those overstatements.  If you want to say "rarely," then I'm with you.  But "never"?  Here is one:  Catalina Villalpando, appointed by Bush Sr. as Treasury Secretary, convicted of tax evasion and obstruction of justice, and served time in prison. 

[TuHolmes]

Be careful with those overstatements.  If you want to say "rarely," then I'm with you.  But "never"?  Here is one:  Catalina Villalpando, appointed by Bush Sr. as Treasury Secretary, convicted of tax evasion and obstruction of justice, and served time in prison. 

Ok.

1 person in almost 40 years. That's huge.

[Dos Equis]

Ok.

1 person in almost 40 years. That's huge.

I didn't really expect you to acknowledge that you overstated things by saying no one has ever gone to jail, but there is more than one person.   

[TuHolmes]

I didn't really expect you to acknowledge that you overstated things by saying no one has ever gone to jail, but there is more than one person.   

It's a generalization, not an overstatement. Big deal.

It doesn't change the fact that "almost" no one of the upper echelon goes to jail.

Yay... you win.
 

[Dos Equis]

It's a generalization, not an overstatement. Big deal.

It doesn't change the fact that "almost" no one of the upper echelon goes to jail.

Yay... you win.
 

Wasn't trying to win.  This isn't a contest.  So when you said "never" you meant "almost never."  No biggie.