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Re: Concussion
« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2015, 09:00:36 PM »
Radical Plato/E-kul (or whatever you want to be called), do you think hockey is gay?
I think the majority of team sports are gay.  I think games like football, cricket, hockey, baseball etc etc  are all children's games.  I can understand children wanting to play them, but not grown men unless they have some unconscious homoerotic agenda.

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Re: Concussion
« Reply #51 on: December 23, 2015, 09:01:42 PM »
I think the majority of team sports are gay.  I think games like football, cricket, hockey, baseball etc etc  are all children's games.  I can understand children wanting to play them, but not grown men unless they have some unconscious homoerotic agenda.

Why would you think hockey is gay though? What is your rationale? They really arent rolling around on a floor together and grabbing each other.
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Re: Concussion
« Reply #52 on: December 23, 2015, 09:02:39 PM »
Why would you think hockey is gay though? What is your rationale? They really arent rolling around on a floor together and grabbing each other.
Do they all shower together after the game?
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« Reply #53 on: December 23, 2015, 09:05:23 PM »
Do they all shower together after the game?

I don't know.  ??? ???
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Re: Concussion
« Reply #54 on: December 23, 2015, 09:05:49 PM »
I don't know.  ??? ???
And I am just stirring the pot, it is more juvenile than gay. Plus coach is actually a repressed homo.

And I think a lot of it is also based an archaic tribalism, just reinforces division rather than integration.  It is a good way to keep the masses from coming together and uniting as one against the ruling classes.
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« Reply #55 on: December 23, 2015, 09:07:37 PM »
And I am just stirring the pot, it is more juvenile than gay.

And I think a lot of it is also based an archaic tribalism, just reinforces division rather than integration.  It is a good way to keep the masses from coming together and uniting as one against the ruling classes.

Well, sports definitely divide people. Sometimes it can be in a nonthreatening manner, but sports often bring out the worst in people. People take it EXTREMELY seriously. I went to a Ranger game about 15 years ago. Huge fight broke out after the game between fans. Horrible.
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Re: Concussion
« Reply #56 on: December 23, 2015, 09:11:38 PM »
Well, sports definitely divide people. Sometimes it can be in a nonthreatening manner, but sports often bring out the worst in people. People take it EXTREMELY seriously. I went to a Ranger game about 15 years ago. Huge fight broke out after the game between fans. Horrible.
Yeah, I don't get it.  Here in Australia they consider Australian Rules Football a religion.  I don't follow the game but occasionally go with a friend when he has free tickets.  I just don't understand how serious some people take it.  It seems like some type of collective mental illness to me.  I watch the crazed spectators with a sense of detachment and they seem frightening human beings to me.  I wonder what they would do for an outlet if their wasn't such events as grown men determined to get hold of a pig skin and give it to their mates all the while trying to move said pig skin down field and through some goal posts.  The whole spectacle seems absolutely ridiculous to me.  Not to mention the pats on the bum and the group showering.
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Re: Concussion
« Reply #57 on: December 23, 2015, 09:11:46 PM »
Well, you are assuming that grown men have unlimited choice in how to direct their fate, but is is limited to whatever system they are raised under.  In a capitalist system a man is literally forced to choose an occupation.  Many men also internalise the systemic view that their lives are worthless so of course such men are going to choose the best paying occupations even though they know it comes at a great risk.  They have been told since birth that their lives hold no value other than what they can provide to women, children and nation so have no problem sacrificing their lives/health for others.  Any man who actually cared about his own well being would never participate in a sport that caused him to damage his own brain/body.  

How many men from the ruling classes participate in such sports?

The fact is, the underclasses are used for entertainment purposes for the middle/upper classes.  They laugh at how willingly the peasants will destroy themselves for a tiny piece of their pie.

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Re: Concussion
« Reply #58 on: December 23, 2015, 09:12:20 PM »
Isn't it the covering up of studies and what not that have people upset with the NFL and concussions?

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« Reply #59 on: December 23, 2015, 09:13:33 PM »
Isn't it the covering up of studies and what not that have people upset with the NFL and concussions?

Yes, supposedly the NFL was suppressing research studies that linked concussions to head injuries.

Though, I am still unsure as to why the NFL is responsible for disseminating this information. Is that their job?  ??? ???
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« Reply #60 on: December 23, 2015, 09:23:38 PM »
Yes, supposedly the NFL was suppressing research studies that linked concussions to head injuries.

Though, I am still unsure as to why the NFL is responsible for disseminating this information. Is that their job?  ??? ???
Of course it is? Any organisation has a duty of care to its employees?  Would you be happy to work for a company that knowingly allowed you to handle chemicals that caused cancer and premature death and never informed you of the risks or told you there was no risk?
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« Reply #61 on: December 23, 2015, 09:30:14 PM »
Of course it is? Any organisation has a duty of care to its employees?  Would you be happy to work for a company that knowingly allowed you to handle chemicals that caused cancer and premature death and never informed you of the risks or told you there was no risk?

Are cops directly informed that they may die on the job before signing up for the police force?  ??? ???

The thing is, to what extent is the NFL required to disseminate this information? Sure, they may have the professional players sign something that states that they acknowledge the risks of the game. However, is the NFL required to go into specifics, i.e., you may get a broken bone, a concussion, lose some teeth, get a tear, etc.

I agree that the players may have to sign something acknowledging the risk of the game. Im just trying to determine the extent to which the NFL is responsible for informing them of every possible injury that may occur.
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Re: Concussion
« Reply #62 on: December 23, 2015, 10:06:49 PM »
Yes, supposedly the NFL was suppressing research studies that linked concussions to head injuries.

Though, I am still unsure as to why the NFL is responsible for disseminating this information. Is that their job?  ??? ???
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« Reply #63 on: December 23, 2015, 10:24:55 PM »
1/5  Leave the trolling to the pros.

No trolling. It was a serious question.

I don't understand why the NFL is responsible for disseminating public knowledge to adults who know the risks of the game.
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Re: Concussion
« Reply #64 on: December 23, 2015, 10:27:44 PM »
No trolling. It was a serious question.

I don't understand why the NFL is responsible for disseminating public knowledge to adults who know the risks of the game.

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« Reply #65 on: December 23, 2015, 10:31:43 PM »
Bottom line is this game is going no where and will keep growing as it should. Parents and athletes know the risks. And if you have a legit chance at making it the reward is greater than the risk. Linemen, linebackers, RB's and QB's are at the greatest risk but like any athlete in any sport there is a risk. Take it or leave it, it's here to stay.

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Re: Concussion
« Reply #66 on: December 23, 2015, 10:36:21 PM »
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Its no secret that head injury may lead to concussions. This is not new knowledge. All of a sudden the NFL is now responsible for telling athletes about it. The two articles below are over 15 years old. Again, nothing new.

Quantification of post-concussion symptoms 3 months after minor head injury in 100 consecutive patients (1998).

Abstract

Post-concussion symptoms (PCS) (such as headaches, irritability, anxiety, dizziness, fatigue and impaired concentration) are frequently experienced by patients who have sustained a minor head injury (MHI). The post-concussion syndrome has been defined as a clinical state where 3 or more symptoms persist for more than 3 months. This report focuses on the quantification of PCS according to the Rivermead Postconcussion Symptoms Questionnaire (RPQ). We studied 100 consecutive patients with MHI and normal computed tomography of the brain. At 3 months after injury, 62% reported the presence of one or more symptoms, and 40% fulfilled the diagnostic criteria for post-concussion syndrome. Patients with post-concussion syndrome had significantly (P < 0.001) higher RPQ scores (mean 19.1, SD 11.9) than those without (mean 1.2, SD 1.8). Patients on sick leave owing to the injury reported significantly (P = 0.05) higher RPQ scores (mean 10.3, SD 13.2) than those not on sick leave (mean 5.5, SD 8.6). We observed no association between age, gender, cause of injury, severity of injury, duration of amnesia and RPQ score. RPQ score provides useful information about the severity of PCS regardless of whether the diagnostic criteria for the post-concussion syndrome are met or not.

Persisting symptoms after mild head injury: A review of the postconcussive syndrome (1986)

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Seemingly mild head injuries frequently result in persisting postconcussive syndromes. The etiology of these symptoms is often controversial. Neuropsychological, neurophysiological, and neuropathological evidence that brain damage can occur in the absence of gross neurological deficits after mild injuries is reviewed. Direct impact to the head is not required to cause brain injury. Understandably, psychological factors also play a role in post-head-injury disability, but the effect of compensation claims and preinjury psychopathology is often secondary to organic factors. Persons over age 40 or with a history of previous head injury are more vulnerable to protracted symptomatology.

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Re: Concussion
« Reply #67 on: December 23, 2015, 10:36:43 PM »
No trolling. It was a serious question.

I don't understand why the NFL is responsible for disseminating public knowledge to adults who know the risks of the game.
The NFL who spends millions of dollars to promote itself as America's pastime and cover up the health ramifications of its athletes!? Please.

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« Reply #68 on: December 23, 2015, 10:42:53 PM »
The NFL who spends millions of dollars to promote itself as America's pastime and cover up the health ramifications of its athletes!? Please.

Who is covering up the health ramifications? Look at the above two studies I posted. Its public knowledge that head injury may result in concussions and its associated symptoms.

Ive NEVER followed football in my entire life, and even I knew that a head injury can result in a concussion. I mean, look at all the people who get into a car accident, smash their head and wind up with concussions. Its not like the NFL were the only people who knew about this, and were suppressing the research. That would be an entirely different story. Its not like the NFL is paying researchers worldwide not to post their studies. But researchers all over the world have known that a head injury can lead to a concussion and post their results.

Players know the risks and have  no problems taking a 10 million dollar check, yet will bitch and moan when they wind up with a concussion. Please.

Why has the NFL become a spokesperson for concussions?
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« Reply #69 on: December 23, 2015, 10:46:41 PM »
This study is from 1996. Shows the correlation between head injury and neuropsychological functioning. If NFL players want to know the risks, they can easily find these studies online.

Neuropsychological Functioning and Recovery after Mild Head Injury in Collegiate Athletes


OBJECTIVE: This study prospectively examined neuropsychological functioning in 2300 collegiate football players from 10 National Collegiate Athletic Association Division A universities. The study was designed to determine the presence and duration of neuropsychological symptoms after mild head injury.

METHODS: A nonequivalent repeated measures control group design was used to compare the neuropsychological test scores and symptoms of injured players (n = 183) with those of gender, age, and education matched controls. A number of neuropsychological tests, including the Paced Auditory Serial Addition Test, the Digit Symbol Test, and the Trail Making Test, as well as a symptom checklist were used.

TECHNIQUE: Players and controls were assessed before engaging in game activity and 24 hours, 5 days, and 10 days after injury, using the standardized test battery and symptom checklist.

RESULTS: Players with head injuries displayed impaired performance and increased symptoms in comparison to controls, but this impairment resolved within 5 days in most players. Players with head injuries showed significant improvement between 24 hours and 5 days, as well as between 5 and 10 days.

CONCLUSION: Although single, uncomplicated mild head injuries do cause limited neuropsychological impairment, injured players generally experience rapid resolution of symptoms with minimal prolonged sequelae.
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Re: Concussion
« Reply #70 on: December 23, 2015, 10:53:11 PM »
Here's the PBS documentary on the tug of war the NFL has with the retired players over this issue, I remember it being a good watch -

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/league-of-denial/ .

Also just because I've got it handy, an early 80's PBS expose on the NFL, the Mob, and sports betting/game fixing that ruffled a lot of feathers back then -

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« Reply #71 on: December 23, 2015, 10:55:31 PM »
Who is covering up the health ramifications? Look at the above two studies I posted. Its public knowledge that head injury may result in concussions and its associated symptoms.

Ive NEVER followed football in my entire life, and even I knew that a head injury can result in a concussion. I mean, look at all the people who get into a car accident, smash their head and wind up with concussions. Its not like the NFL were the only people who knew about this, and were suppressing the research. That would be an entirely different story. Its not like the NFL is paying researchers worldwide not to post their studies. But researchers all over the world have known that a head injury can lead to a concussion and post their results.

Players know the risks and have  no problems taking a 10 million dollar check, yet will bitch and moan when they wind up with a concussion. Please.

Why has the NFL become a spokesperson for concussions?
Because they spent/d millions of dollars trying to quash such studies. Kinda like the cigarette/cancer studies; the oil companies/global warming. Keep trying.  :-\  

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Re: Concussion
« Reply #72 on: December 23, 2015, 10:58:15 PM »
Maybe these guys should take up tennis if they don't want the concussions.

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« Reply #73 on: December 23, 2015, 11:00:28 PM »
Because they spent/d millions of dollars trying to quash such studies. Kinda like the cigarette/cancer studies; the oil companies/global warming. Keep trying.  :-\  

But even if they did try to quash studies, there is enough studies out there to affirm the relationship between concussion and head injuries.

Ive known about the relationship between head injuries and concussions since I was a teenager.

So, why is the NFL responsible for informing adult athletes about this? Should they sit them down and show them a video tape of people having their heads smashed and leading to concussions? What exactly should the NFL do? The relationship between head injuries and concussions is NOT secret knowledge. Its public knowledge.

You can keep saying "keep trying" but youre not defending your position. I am providing evidence that enough studies are out there, in order for adult football players to make an informed decision without the NFL. Again, go on and say "keep trying" but it does nothing to defend your position.

Please, provide me with a framework as to how the NFL should go about informing athletes about the relationship between concussions and head injuries. Should they give them a few journal articles to read?
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Re: Concussion
« Reply #74 on: December 23, 2015, 11:01:40 PM »
Also just because it's handy, Disposable Heroes. An HBO America Undercover special from 1984, about how busted out some of these guys are from the sport, and how the NFL was handling it back then -

http://vimeo.com/4683642 .