Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon

[240 is Back]

whitey, ready to die for his cause because god told him to, takes over a government building while armed.

not terrorism

 

"I didn't come here to shoot... I came here to die" confesses one Oregon militia member.  He was wearing his militia wear and claimed a rank.  Doesn't respect US law.

It's "closed" because after seeing the militia take over and block roads, the order was given to employees not to come into work.

They've hung flags and blocked roads.  They have years' worth of supplies.  The armed militia would not allow people to enter the grounds, chasing them away.  Photographers took pics but were chased away.  Yes, these "protesters" are chasing away the media.  

I don't know how "armed with rifles, blocking roads, chasing away outsiders and promising to kill" somehow equals "peaceful protesters".  

Peace went out the window when they announced they were there to kill.

[240 is Back]

Are they patriots?  Or are they businessmen trying to beat out their competition?

They want to turn over public lands to private developers... mining, grazing, logging, fracking...

they're wrapping themselves in a flag, but it's about money, right? 

[Las Vegas]

There have been 1173 BLM protests in the last 1.5 years.  Almost all of them have not been associated with property damage.  Those that were, were done by outsiders.

https://elephrame.com/textbook/BLM?name=protests

But doesn't it make it all the worse that common perception says otherwise?

[timfogarty]

But doesn't it make it all the worse that common perception says otherwise?

common perception only for listeners of right wing radio and Fox News

[240 is Back]

whitey, ready to die for his cause because god told him to, takes over a government building while armed.

not terrorism

 

It may not be due to "their God told them to..."

It's about corporate profits.  They illegally used govt lands to gain a competitive advantage in the steer industry, and went to prison for it.

The few dozen jokers here decided IF they can get these 2 freed, then they can ALL steal use of closed lands for their own private profit.  So they wrapped themselves up in the flag, grabbed rifles, and threatened others.

They're not religious zealots... they're using terror/threat of violence to make more money.  What do we call that?

[240 is Back]

common perception only for listeners of right wing radio and Fox News

great point.  I watch msn, cnn and fox daily.  FOX radio in particular goes WAY into painting BLM as violent thugs. 

But the BLM has never taken over a federal building... threatened to murder any that come close
and done it all to make more money from cattle. 

[mr.turbo]

Are they patriots?  Or are they businessmen trying to beat out their competition?

They want to turn over public lands to private developers... mining, grazing, logging, fracking...

they're wrapping themselves in a flag, but it's about money, right? 

I assume so, they are against government tyranny but want to replace it with full control of corporate power (a far more tyrannical set of institutions)....hmmmm    

[Kazan]

"I didn't come here to shoot... I came here to die" confesses one Oregon militia member.  He was wearing his militia wear and claimed a rank.  Doesn't respect US law.

It's "closed" because after seeing the militia take over and block roads, the order was given to employees not to come into work.

They've hung flags and blocked roads.  They have years' worth of supplies.  The armed militia would not allow people to enter the grounds, chasing them away.  Photographers took pics but were chased away.  Yes, these "protesters" are chasing away the media.  

I don't know how "armed with rifles, blocking roads, chasing away outsiders and promising to kill" somehow equals "peaceful protesters".  

Peace went out the window when they announced they were there to kill.

Wait your first quote says they didn't come to shoot but to die, then they are going to kill, which is it?

[Las Vegas]

common perception only for listeners of right wing radio and Fox News

Watching or listening to any mainstream "news" causes it.  It cannot be escaped in this media.

So why do you suppose the organizers of these events invite that to happen?

[TuHolmes]

great point.  I watch msn, cnn and fox daily.  FOX radio in particular goes WAY into painting BLM as violent thugs.  

But the BLM has never taken over a federal building... threatened to murder any that come close
and done it all to make more money from cattle.  

Just because one group breaks laws differently, doesn't make them more or less criminals than another group who also breaks laws.

2 wrongs don't make a right?

BLM obviously has a more valid point than these clowns, but both are ridiculous in their own ways.

People who have jobs don't have time to take over buildings or march regularly.

As a note, people from BLM have threatened others... They just wash that under the rug because they are not "speaking for" BLM.

Remember though... The Bundys are not speaking for the convicted Hammonds here either.

[Las Vegas]

great point.  I watch msn, cnn and fox daily.  FOX radio in particular goes WAY into painting BLM as violent thugs.  

But the BLM has never taken over a federal building... threatened to murder any that come close
and done it all to make more money from cattle.  

The decisions of BLM cover for thuggery, certainly, causing it to be very easy to make the association.  

Time after time after time after time.  Right?

[Andy Griffin]

common perception only for listeners of right wing radio and Fox News

AIDS is closer than you think

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

 

[Las Vegas]

Tim is a good guy.  I agree with him on many things.

But I'd really like to know why this shit happens as it does.  Something's not right.

[polychronopolous]

Hell yeah

[mr.turbo]

Harry Reid is an intellectual terrorist

hmm Harry Reid calls these guys terrorists.

He says he's spoken to local law enforcement, the Department of Justice; Attorney General and the FBI in DETAIL

so I think he's feels pretty solid about that assessment. My review of the expert material is consistent with that (see the other thread).

many have claimed a bias in the media where whitey get's mislabelled as a terrorist.

so let's see how this gets reported and see where the bias is.

 

[SuperTed]

The version with the intro of trumpets is better:

[timfogarty]

But I'd really like to know why this shit happens as it does.  Something's not right.

Us vs Them.  Everyone, no matter how libertarian, is all for society, institutions, government, helping Us, and either uncomfortable or downright hostile at helping Them. A tragedy strikes your family, you accept help from institutions. You like laws that protect Us. You don't like laws that protect Them.

The problem is the definition of Us vs Them.  I like to think that people on the left have a much bigger definition of Us than those on the right.  We're all in this together.

Another problem is whether this is a zero sum game.  If They make progress, do We lose progress?  

And another problem is when you lead your whole life thinking you're part of the ruling class and then it becomes apparent you're not.  Across the US, white middle class has been losing ground the last 30 years.  They blame it on minorities, when in fact they were losing to the white upper class.

And finally changing demographics.  White heterosexual males have been the majority for all of this country's history, but that is changing.  Already changed in places like California.  White militia types are scared as shit of that.

[calfzilla]

People always bitch and moan about our tyrannical government and how something should be done, then when someone does something people shit all over them.

[Kazan]

hmm Harry Reid calls these guys terrorists.

He says he's spoken to local law enforcement, the Department of Justice; Attorney General and the FBI in DETAIL

so I think he's feels pretty solid about that assessment. My review of the expert material is consistent with that (see the other thread).

many have claimed a bias in the media where whitey get's mislabelled as a terrorist.

so let's see how this gets reported and see where the bias is.

 

All federal agencies singing the same song, I'm shocked.

[Kazan]

Us vs Them.  Everyone, no matter how libertarian, is all for society, institutions, government, helping Us, and either uncomfortable or downright hostile at helping Them. A tragedy strikes your family, you accept help from institutions. You like laws that protect Us. You don't like laws that protect Them.

The problem is the definition of Us vs Them.  I like to think that people on the left have a much bigger definition of Us than those on the right.  We're all in this together.

Another problem is whether this is a zero sum game.  If They make progress, do We lose progress?  

And another problem is when you lead your whole life thinking you're part of the ruling class and then it becomes apparent you're not.  Across the US, white middle class has been losing ground the last 30 years.  They blame it on minorities, when in fact they were losing to the white upper class.

And finally changing demographics.  White heterosexual males have been the majority for all of this country's history, but that is changing.  Already changed in places like California.  White militia types are scared as shit of that.

My definition of Us vs Them, is American citizens against an unconstitutional government. I don't care what race, creed, color, or sexual orientation you are, as Americans it is our duty to keep .gov honest. Unfortunately people get wrapped up in their own personal agenda and loose sight of the big picture.

[drkaje]

Was this all really over jacking deer and burning land to cover the crime?

[_aj_]

Us vs Them.  Everyone, no matter how libertarian, is all for society, institutions, government, helping Us, and either uncomfortable or downright hostile at helping Them. A tragedy strikes your family, you accept help from institutions. You like laws that protect Us. You don't like laws that protect Them.

The problem is the definition of Us vs Them.  I like to think that people on the left have a much bigger definition of Us than those on the right.  We're all in this together.

Another problem is whether this is a zero sum game.  If They make progress, do We lose progress?  

And another problem is when you lead your whole life thinking you're part of the ruling class and then it becomes apparent you're not.  Across the US, white middle class has been losing ground the last 30 years.  They blame it on minorities, when in fact they were losing to the white upper class.

And finally changing demographics.  White heterosexual males have been the majority for all of this country's history, but that is changing.  Already changed in places like California.  White militia types are scared as shit of that.

The first paragraph indicates that you haven't the foggiest notion of what a libertarian is.

[timfogarty]

The first paragraph indicates that you haven't the foggiest notion of what a libertarian is.

perhaps when tragedy or other crisis strikes, there are no real libertarians.

[240 is Back]

LOL @ Trying to excuse it because "Well, BLM did this and this..."

I guess Ted Bundy could have told the judge "Look bro, Hitler killed 6 million, what's the big deal about the 20 that I killed and ate?"

Sorry... each crime stands on its own merit, or demerit, in this case.  

They brought guns, broke into a closed building, made threats.   Because they want govt handouts on resources so their business can gain a competitive advantage.