Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon

[mr.turbo]

LMAO - repub candidates SILENT on this because whoever gets the votes of those who support white bald dudes doing armed insurrection, will win the nomination too.

I hear the cops have actually asked them to stay quiet for fear they may inflame the situation with reckless comments.

which i think is normal for anti terror operations

 

[timfogarty]

http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison

The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area.  Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property.  Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.”  One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson.  The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations.  After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands.  Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

....

By law, arson on federal land carries a five-year mandatory minimum sentence.  When the Hammonds were originally sentenced, they argued that the five-year mandatory minimum terms were unconstitutional and the trial court agreed and imposed sentences well below what the law required based upon the jury’s verdicts.  The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, however, upheld the federal law, reasoning that “given the seriousness of arson, a five-year sentence is not grossly disproportionate to the offense.”  The court vacated the original, unlawful sentences and ordered that the Hammonds be resentenced “in compliance with the law.”  In March 2015, the Supreme Court rejected the Hammonds’ petitions for certiorari. Today, Chief Judge Aiken imposed five year prison terms on each of the Hammonds, with credit for time they already served.

[TuHolmes]

Found on FoxNews.

"Federal lawyers prosecuted the Hammonds under an anti-terrorism law that required a five-year minimum sentence, though they have declined to say why"

Nothing specific, but I guess they were in fact charged with some anti-terrorism law and they were found guilty.

[Kazan]

Oregon, ranchers set to report to prison on Monday for lighting fires in 2001 and 2006 that they said reduced the growth of invasive plants and protected their land from wildfire. Both Dwight Hammond Jr., 73, and Steven Hammond, 46, were convicted three years ago, with the father serving three months and the son a year.


I suspect that the feds figured they could hit them harder with terror charges...plus this makes it seem that right wing terror is on the raise so some shit....

Doesn't bode well does it? Gov can just arbitrarily label you a terrorist and lock you away for 5 years.

[TuHolmes]

Doesn't bode well does it? Gov can just arbitrarily label you a terrorist and lock you away for 5 years.

I argued against this sort of thing during the Jose Padilla mess. They didn't even charge him and lock him away... Tossed him into Guantanamo like it was nothing.

They may have labeled them terrorists, but again, they had a trial and were found guilty right? That's not "arbitrary and they aren't just locking someone way."

They had due process.

A jury must have convicted them. The Judge didn't like the minimum sentence. Minimum sentences are bullshit, but they have been the law of the land for awhile.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

The version with the intro of trumpets is better:

Honestly, I prefer the Black Panther version

[mr.turbo]

they're not denying it

 

 

[Kazan]

I argued against this sort of thing during the Jose Padilla mess. They didn't even charge him and lock him away... Tossed him into Guantanamo like it was nothing.

They may have labeled them terrorists, but again, they had a trial and were found guilty right?

A jury must have convicted them. The Judge didn't like the minimum sentence. Minimum sentences are bullshit, but they have been the law of the land for awhile.

True, an American citizen should not be disappeared without due process. Gov is stacking the deck in their favor, label someone a terrorist, or racist or whatever else they can come up with, and you are automatically a pariah. Doesn't take much to turn public opinion, and very few care to actually read past the headlines.

[240 is Back]

http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison

The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area.  Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property.  Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.”  One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson.  The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations.  After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands.  Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

....

By law, arson on federal land carries a five-year mandatory minimum sentence.  When the Hammonds were originally sentenced, they argued that the five-year mandatory minimum terms were unconstitutional and the trial court agreed and imposed sentences well below what the law required based upon the jury’s verdicts.  The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, however, upheld the federal law, reasoning that “given the seriousness of arson, a five-year sentence is not grossly disproportionate to the offense.”  The court vacated the original, unlawful sentences and ordered that the Hammonds be resentenced “in compliance with the law.”  In March 2015, the Supreme Court rejected the Hammonds’ petitions for certiorari. Today, Chief Judge Aiken imposed five year prison terms on each of the Hammonds, with credit for time they already served.

WOW.... they very clearly INTENTIONALLY started multiple fires on US govt lands...

and they're out in less than 5 years, and they're still upset?

they got off easy.  and with that much witness testimony, there's no denying their guilt.

[TuHolmes]

WOW.... they very clearly INTENTIONALLY started multiple fires on US govt lands...

and they're out in less than 5 years, and they're still upset?

they got off easy.  and with that much witness testimony, there's no denying their guilt.

To be fair, they are being told to go back to serve the full term, however I would guess that they would be eligible for parole / good time / whatever and would be out in another year or so after serving only a bit more.

[240 is Back]

To be fair, they are being told to go back to serve the full term, however I would guess that they would be eligible for parole / good time / whatever and would be out in another year or so after serving only a bit more.

these militants are SO in need of a 'cause', they chose a couple of arsonists who were forced to serve their full term, and decided to hitch their cart to them.

Just as the getbiggers who loved on "these carefree rebels" earlier today are realizing they're just corporate trolls and gun nuts dying to destory the govt whose lands they've been using to profit for years.

burning lands because the govt won't let you use them for feeding cattle in your PRIVATE comapny?  They deserved way more than 5 years for that.    IMAGINE if I'm pissed the govt won't provide free cheese for my burger joint, so I burn down the cheese factory.  GTFO...

[chaos]

You guys realize that the guys going back to jail are not the ones in the gov building and have even disassociated themselves from those people right?

[SF1900]

You guys realize that the guys going back to jail are not the ones in the gov building and have even disassociated themselves from those people right?

Yes, it was stated a few pages back. I believe the guys who went to jail were saying they are not a part of this and are not advocating for it.

[240 is Back]

You guys realize that the guys going back to jail are not the ones in the gov building and have even disassociated themselves from those people right?

yeah, they're doing their time.  They killed a TON of wildlife... a whole herd of deer, I think?  they did serious damage and just want to do their time.

These folks just want to use govt lands to feed their cattle... they're using this flimsy excuse to start a war.  They want to be martyrs, always begging for a sword to fall on.  

personally, I can't see starting a cattle company unless you have the land to feed them.  Don't complain because you can't get a govt freebie to use those lands.   And don't use these Hammonds when they want nothing to do with these guys.

[TuHolmes]

You guys realize that the guys going back to jail are not the ones in the gov building and have even disassociated themselves from those people right?

Correct.

These people in this building are completely unrelated and are simply using the Hammonds as an excuse.

[chaos]

Yes, it was stated a few pages back. I believe the guys who went to jail were saying they are not a part of this and are not advocating for it.

Not interested in 240's what ifs and politcal speculation bullshit, did anyone find out why these guys are holed up in this building?

[SF1900]

Not interested in 240's what ifs and politcal speculation bullshit, did anyone find out why these guys are holed up in this building?

Dont know. Ive been too busy asking women about Shizzo vs. Helmut. 

[Kazan]

Here is a long article on the background of this. Take from it what you will.........

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/

[mr.turbo]

according to the local sheriff they're trying to spark a movement to overthrow the federal govenment

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ff-militia-oregon-20160103-story.html

[King Shizzo]

AJ outing his Kazan gimmick in this thread.

[chaos]

according to the local sheriff they're trying to spark a movement to overthrow the federal govenment

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ff-militia-oregon-20160103-story.html

From a field in bumfuck Oregon? Nice!

[Kazan]

AJ outing his Kazan gimmick in this thread.

[mr.turbo]

From a field in bumfuck Oregon? Nice!

I think 240 has the right idea personally.  

Makes more sense if they're trying to free up all that federally owned land for private use. $$$!

[_aj_]

AJ outing his Kazan gimmick in this thread.

I wish. He's doing better than I would. Please, carry on!

[240 is Back]

I think 240 has the right idea personally. 

Makes more sense if they're trying to free up all that federally owned land for private use. $$$!

a lot of people will wrap themselves in the flag when trying to push for a cause.  we're supposed to believe these 40 to 60 dudes are willing to die for... um.. a couple of very-guilty arsonists?

 it usually comes down to money.  these dudes want to use federal lands so they can make a monster profit.