Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon

[mr.turbo]

cnn interviewing the armed militants ("terrorists") attempting to overthrow the US government.

 

[240 is Back]

Farmers often do controlled burns to prep/clear land

witnesses and forensics proved over and over they were intentional, revenge fires.

[240 is Back]

This obviously is inviting a massive over-reaction by the Feds

a group of people with guns is threatening to overthrow the govt.

they've taken control of a govt building and are using media to spread their "rise up" message, as the video above shows.

What should be the appropriate reaction on the part of the govt? 

[240 is Back]

No not when ever they feel like it, read the 1st amendment again: or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I think you may be mistaken about them being there to peaceably assemble.

Did you see the video above?  They plan overthrow of the govt. 

Armed men.  Blocked off the road.  Broke into a govt building.  Chasing everyone off.  Got on CNN and promised to murder anyone that came close.  Got on CNN and said they want to overthrow the govt.

What's peaceful about that?

[chaos]

cnn interviewing the armed militants ("terrorists") attempting to overthrow the US government.

 

I seemed to have missed the whole overthrowing the gov part that you and douche40 are harping on. Link?

[mr.turbo]

I seemed to have missed the whole overthrowing the gov part that you and douche40 are harping on. Link?

These men came to Harney County claiming to be part of militia groups supporting local ranchers, when in reality these men had alternative motives, to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States," Ward said in a statement Sunday.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ff-militia-oregon-20160103-story.html

[chaos]

These men came to Harney County claiming to be part of militia groups supporting local ranchers, when in reality these men had alternative motives, to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States," Ward said in a statement Sunday.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ff-militia-oregon-20160103-story.html

Is that the sheriffs opinion, can he back up his statement or just wild speculation from a backwoods sheriff?

[B_B_C]

a group of adults clearly carrying real guns with presumably live ammunition take hold of government property (reportedly in support of a group of recently convicted arsonists) allow themselves to be interviewed  by TV and other media while resisting removal by government forces (who seemingly facilitate such interviews even when claiming the offending occupants are terrorists.
So far nobody has been injured let alone killed
There is a perversity in a society that practices such forbearance yet was not able to afford any degree of patience to a 12 year old child playing with a toy gun by himself in a playground

[calfzilla]

Having guns with presumably live ammo is a moot point. This is the United states and that is completely legal and one of our constitutional rights.

[mr.turbo]

Is that the sheriffs opinion, can he back up his statement or just wild speculation from a backwoods sheriff?

this is the only statement made by any law enforcement so it's all we have.

If you look at the video of the marine, he starts out by saying his goodbyes to his wife and kids. Then he goes on a long rant about government tyranny. These guys are fanatics.

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[TuHolmes]

a group of adults clearly carrying real guns with presumably live ammunition take hold of government property (reportedly in support of a group of recently convicted arsonists) allow themselves to be interviewed  by TV and other media while resisting removal by government forces (who seemingly facilitate such interviews even when claiming the offending occupants are terrorists.
So far nobody has been injured let alone killed
There is a perversity in a society that practices such forbearance yet was not able to afford any degree of patience to a 12 year old child playing with a toy gun by himself in a playground

This is a very good point.

[drkaje]

a group of adults clearly carrying real guns with presumably live ammunition take hold of government property (reportedly in support of a group of recently convicted arsonists) allow themselves to be interviewed  by TV and other media while resisting removal by government forces (who seemingly facilitate such interviews even when claiming the offending occupants are terrorists.
So far nobody has been injured let alone killed
There is a perversity in a society that practices such forbearance yet was not able to afford any degree of patience to a 12 year old child playing with a toy gun by himself in a playground

We all know what was different.

[Pray_4_War]

Having guns with presumably live ammo is a moot point. This is the United states and that is completely legal and one of our constitutional rights.

Not only to keep the arms, but also to bear them.

[Primemuscle]

What's the justification for protecting two criminals? Were these men wrongly convicted?

-Probably not. The story of how it's come to this point is complicated. The main issue is not so much about guilt as it is about appropriate punishment. For more info on this topic read this earlier article from the Oregonian, http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/10/controversial_oregon_ranchers.html

[calfzilla]

We all know what was different.

The 12 year old kid pulled the gun out and the adults legally open carried?

[Primemuscle]

Eastern Oregon is predominately Republican thru and thru.

[TuHolmes]

The 12 year old kid pulled the gun out and the adults legally open carried?

The kid had no weapon at all.

[calfzilla]

The kid had no weapon at all.

A toy gun can get you killed just as easy as a real one when it comes to the police. My mom made sure I was aware of this when I was a small child.

[Pray_4_War]

There is a perversity in a society that practices such forbearance yet was not able to afford any degree of patience to a 12 year old child playing with a toy gun by himself in a playground

Society didn't shoot the 12 year old.  One cop of questionable mental and emotional competence did.

[B_B_C]

Society didn't shoot the 12 year old.  One cop of questionable mental and emotional competence did.

I didn't say society killed the child

[The Scott]

a group of adults clearly carrying real guns with presumably live ammunition take hold of government property (reportedly in support of a group of recently convicted arsonists) allow themselves to be interviewed  by TV and other media while resisting removal by government forces (who seemingly facilitate such interviews even when claiming the offending occupants are terrorists.
So far nobody has been injured let alone killed
There is a perversity in a society that practices such forbearance yet was not able to afford any degree of patience to a 12 year old child playing with a toy gun by himself in a playground

The individual(s) that commit wrongdoing are responsible for their actions so think not to blame the whole for the actions of the one for if you do then by all means the entire country must fall upon a sword. 

You first.

[B_B_C]

The individual(s) that commit wrongdoing are responsible for their actions so think not to blame the whole for the actions of the one for if you do then by all means the entire country must fall upon a sword. 

You first.

I did not allocate blame

[Pray_4_War]

I didn't say society killed the child

Then why are you talking about the "perversity of a society that blah blah blah".  The kid got smoked and probably shouldn't have.  That has fuck all to do with society and what these white dudes are doing with the government. 

[B_B_C]

Then why are you talking about the "perversity of a society that blah blah blah".  The kid got smoked and probably shouldn't have.  That has fuck all to do with society and what these white dudes are doing with the government. 

because it is perverse

[mr.turbo]

revolutionary rant by the lead actor. will give you a feeling for the agenda.