Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon

[mr.turbo]

profiles of this fine getbigger, a Marine known for his staunch opposition to "radical islam" are all over the web:



http://www.businessinsider.com/the-fbi-has-been-tracking-an-unhinged-anti-muslim-activist-oregon-protester-for-months-2016-1

turns out the FBI has been tracking him

[mr.turbo]

daddy's a getbigger too

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/04/24/cliven-bundys-outrageous-comments-about-the-negro/

[drkaje]

Has muscularny posted lately?

[TuHolmes]

My opinion has changed to "freeze them out".

Whatever window existed to resolve the situation in a manner that pretended non-whites would have similar treatment has closed.

At this point, escalating to violence would only make the next group of whackos more resolute and endanger law enforcement lives. They'd also be considered martyrs by a the like-minded.

I have to agree.

If they were black, it certainly wouldn't have been allowed to go on this long.

[timfogarty]

Yes Tim all the violence stopped after Port Arthur , well at least the gun violence , Oh wait

calfzilla said "I could just sit back and watch the carnage and say 'told you so'" after guns are banned.

so I said: kind of like what happened in Australia.  Crime or other carnage did not go up after guns were banned in Australia.

but let me throw this out. The rate of suicide is much higher when there is a gun in the house.

and this: Children in the U.S. are 18 times more likely to be murdered with a gun than children in other developed countries. - Harvard Public Health

[Coach is Back!]

calfzilla said "I could just sit back and watch the carnage and say 'told you so'" after guns are banned.

so I said: kind of like what happened in Australia.  Crime or other carnage did not go up after guns were banned in Australia.

but let me throw this out. The rate of suicide is much higher when there is a gun in the house.

and this: Children in the U.S. are 18 times more likely to be murdered with a gun than children in other developed countries. - Harvard Public Health

Just catching the last page of this thread but are you saying that guns should be banned and people shouldn't have them? Simple yes or no.

[timfogarty]

Just catching the last page of this thread but are you saying that guns should be banned and people shouldn't have them? Simple yes or no.

No, prohibition never works.  They should be very difficult to obtain, keep, and use. Wait times, background checks (including mental health), smart locks, limits on ammunition.  No open carry.  Repeal Stand Your Ground laws.

[Kazan]

No, prohibition never works.  They should be very difficult to obtain, keep, and use. Wait times, background checks (including mental health), smart locks, limits on ammunition.  No open carry.  Repeal Stand Your Ground laws.

Why? Because you don't like guns? See this is what I love about the left:

Me: You don't want a gun, don't buy one
You: No one can have a gun, or impose a bunch of restrictions

[The Scott]

Says Getbig's Pollyanna.

Let me guess...You're mangina is experiencing heavier than normal levels of flow. 



Run along now, Curious George. 

[Coach is Back!]

No, prohibition never works.  They should be very difficult to obtain, keep, and use. Wait times, background checks (including mental health), smart locks, limits on ammunition.  No open carry.  Repeal Stand Your Ground laws.

Mmmm, so if someone breaks into my house in the middle of the night and walks into mine or my kids room, I don't have the right to protect them?

[TuHolmes]

Why? Because you don't like guns? See this is what I love about the left:

Me: You don't want a gun, don't buy one
You: No one can have a gun, or impose a bunch of restrictions

They do use that in regards to gay marriage.

Don't want a gay marriage... Don't get one.

Same thing can apply for guns.

[240 is Back]

on this thread, on getbig...

at some point, the people defending them are just going to get quiet, stop posting.  Happens a lot.

aj?  Kazan?  Coach?     Talking about guns but not about the occupiers, huh?   

it's awful quiet.  What about the 150 patriotic heroes rescuing the land from evil treacherous govt?   Werre the liberals right that it was just a handful of spoiled, low IQ, or just plain crazy jerks who did it for money purposes?  

[timfogarty]

Why? Because you don't like guns? See this is what I love about the left:

Me: You don't want a gun, don't buy one
You: No one can have a gun, or impose a bunch of restrictions

Public health issue.  You're ok with restrictions on smoking, drinking. Ok with requiring a script from a doctor for prescription drugs.   You're ok with restrictions on driving, flying a plane. On and on.

You want to keep your guns to protect you from the government?  Ask a Yemeni wedding party how that's working out.

[Kazan]

aj?  Kazan?  Coach?     Talking about guns but not about the occupiers, huh?   

it's awful quiet.  What about the 150 patriotic heroes rescuing the land from evil treacherous govt?   Werre the liberals right that it was just a handful of spoiled, low IQ, or just plain crazy jerks who did it for money purposes?  

I just don't like you and this will be the last time I respond to one of your posts

[Viking11]

Mmmm, so if someone breaks into my house in the middle of the night and walks into mine or my kids room, I don't have the right to protect them?

No, you May Destroy Them.

[timfogarty]

Mmmm, so if someone breaks into my house in the middle of the night and walks into mine or my kids room, I don't have the right to protect them?

that is not Stand Your Ground. Such action was considered justifiable long before Stand Your Ground laws became popular.

But the odds of you having to defend yourself from an intruder is much lower than the odds of you or your kid committing suicide with your gun, or of accidentally shooting someone else, or of you accidentally shooting your kid thinking they're an intruder.

Instead call The Monitoring Center, Switching Is Easy, 18662474999

[Kazan]

Public health issue.  You're ok with restrictions on smoking, drinking. Ok with requiring a script from a doctor for prescription drugs.   You're ok with restrictions on driving, flying a plane. On and on.

You want to keep your guns to protect you from the government?  Ask a Yemeni wedding party how that's working out.

I am? Just so we understand each other here, the right to bear arms is a natural right, a constitutional right - smoking, drinking, driving or flying a plane are not a constitutional rights. There for those issues are dealt with by the state per the 10th amendment. I assume you people have managed to graduate the 8th grade? I had to pass a constitution test to move on to high school.

[The Scott]

Public health issue.  You're ok with restrictions on smoking, drinking. Ok with requiring a script from a doctor for prescription drugs.   You're ok with restrictions on driving, flying a plane. On and on.

You want to keep your guns to protect you from the government?  Ask a Yemeni wedding party how that's working out.

There needs to be a law that says you must wear a condom for any and all male involved sexual relations including heterosexual, homosexual and masturbation.  The Feds can bust your door down to make certain you're obeying this law.  Only condoms can save the world from STDs.  Don't like it? Too bad.

Let the battle cry be sounded.  Penises kill.

And don't go telling us all about your right to the "pursuit of fappiness", kid.    

Yeah...This is what you sound like to a reasonable human being. 

[chaos]

I have to agree.

If they were black, it certainly wouldn't have been allowed to go on this long.

How do we know? Honestly when was the last time a group of blacks protested in this manner?

[timfogarty]

I am? Just so we understand each other here, the right to bear arms is a natural right, a constitutional right

If the purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect us from a tyrannical government, then your little assault weapons won't be enough.  Why are you not fighting for the right to bear surface to air missiles ? That is the only thing that might be able to protect you from the government's flying killer robots.

[The Scott]

How do we know? Honestly when was the last time a group of blacks protested in this manner?

I suppose the memory of Waco doesn't influence Tim the Enchanter's (and several others here) thoughts regarding this.  No one wants another Waco except perhaps a wacko.

[TuHolmes]

How do we know? Honestly when was the last time a group of blacks protested in this manner?

I mean, it's been awhile, and I will admit I can not "prove" the hypothesis. Do you honestly believe that a group of black armed people would be allowed to take over a building and sit it out for 4 days?

Honestly.

Fuck man... I can't imagine ME being able to do this, and no one would sit around and say I look like a "thug".

So I really don't get how these guys are able to do so.

[The Scott]

If the purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect us from a tyrannical government, then your little assault weapons won't be enough.  Why are you not fighting for the right to bear surface to air missiles ? That is the only thing that might be able to protect you from the government's flying killer robots.

You are not only stupid, but desperately so.  

[SF1900]

You are not only stupid, but desperately so.  

I mean, didnt the goverment ban uzis and machine guns? How were they able to do that? Why cant a law abiding citizen own a machine or uzi? If youre a law abiding citizen, shouldn't it be your right to own any gun you want? Why is the government allowed to restrict what gun you own?

[mr.turbo]

calfzilla said "I could just sit back and watch the carnage and say 'told you so'" after guns are banned.

so I said: kind of like what happened in Australia.  Crime or other carnage did not go up after guns were banned in Australia.

but let me throw this out. The rate of suicide is much higher when there is a gun in the house.

and this: Children in the U.S. are 18 times more likely to be murdered with a gun than children in other developed countries. - Harvard Public Health

the major barrier to making convincing argument is the lack of data.
http://www.wired.com/2015/10/america-still-doesnt-good-data-guns/

a comparison with Canada:

When looking at firearm-related homicide rates in comparable countries, Canada’s rate is about seven times lower than that of the United States (3.5 per 100,000 population), although it is higher than several other peer countries. While Canada’s firearm-related homicide rate is similar to those in Ireland and Switzerland, it is significantly higher than the rates in Japan (0.01 per 100,000 population) and the United Kingdom (0.06 per 100,000 population),”

http://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/12/04/news/how-american-gun-deaths-and-gun-laws-compare-canadas