Oppressed white farmers occupy federal building in Oregon

[TuHolmes]

I mean, didnt the goverment ban uzis and machine guns? How were they able to do that? Why cant a law abiding citizen own a machine or uzi? If youre a law abiding citizen, shouldn't it be your right to own any gun you want? Why is the government allowed to restrict what gun you own?

I think it should be.

That's just me.

I feel what is good for the government is good for me.

[Kazan]

If the purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect us from a tyrannical government, then your little assault weapons won't be enough.  Why are you not fighting for the right to bear surface to air missiles ? That is the only thing that might be able to protect you from the government's flying killer robots.

I am of the mind that citizens should have access to the same weapons as the military, per the 2nd amendment. You ever stop to think that the reason there isn't a tyrannical government is because citizens are armed? From 1791 until 1934 there were not restrictions on what citizens could have or where they could carry arms.

[mr.turbo]

How do we know? Honestly when was the last time a group of blacks protested in this manner?

fireworks start about 2:00 mins in

[The Scott]

I mean, didnt the goverment ban uzis and machine guns? How were they able to do that? Why cant a law abiding citizen own a machine or uzi? If youre a law abiding citizen, shouldn't it be your right to own any gun you want? Why is the government allowed to restrict what gun you own?

I don't own a gun.  And no, they(the government) shouldn't be able to do so.  If we are to posit the ridiculous as sane then my post on dealing with health issues caused by the evil penis should pave the way for multiple (because one is never enough) laws to prevent illness and death by penis. 

Why can't the government legislate from the bedroom to the back seat to the bathroom stall?  Its for the children, dammit!  Do you have a permit for that penis?!  Is it mating season?!    Is that a Derringer in your pocket or is it cold in here?

I am simply demonstrating the ridiculous by being more so.  Tim is ridiculous.

[Kazan]

fireworks start about 2:00 mins in

The problem with this is they fired on the police first.

[timfogarty]

I suppose the memory of Waco doesn't influence Tim the Enchanter's (and several others here) thoughts regarding this.  No one wants another Waco except perhaps a wacko.

You state these generalities about me, yet it is clear you haven't read what I've written in this thread.  I've stated many time above that my starting this thread is to point out the hypocrisy of how the media and government is dealing with this, that if the group hadn't been white, they wouldn't have lived to see the next day.  I gave examples of how non-white protestors have been dealt with, from the deadly MOVE incident in Philadelphia, to just locking up all the toilets during OWS protests.  I said that the best thing to do this time is turn off the electricity and wait them out.

[chaos]

I mean, didnt the goverment ban uzis and machine guns? How were they able to do that? Why cant a law abiding citizen own a machine or uzi? If youre a law abiding citizen, shouldn't it be your right to own any gun you want? Why is the government allowed to restrict what gun you own?

No. You can still buy uzis. And what is a "machine gun"?

I mean, it's been awhile, and I will admit I can not "prove" the hypothesis. Do you honestly believe that a group of black armed people would be allowed to take over a building and sit it out for 4 days?

Honestly.

Fuck man... I can't imagine ME being able to do this, and no one would sit around and say I look like a "thug".

So I really don't get how these guys are able to do so.

I think if it was the same exact circumstances, only changing skin color, you'd be watching the same thing unfold. But unless the black community organizes and attempts something like this, we'll never know.

[mr.turbo]

The problem with this is they fired on the police first.

what do you think these gentlemen would do if they were tear gassed?

[Coach is Back!]

that is not Stand Your Ground. Such action was considered justifiable long before Stand Your Ground laws became popular.

But the odds of you having to defend yourself from an intruder is much lower than the odds of you or your kid committing suicide with your gun, or of accidentally shooting someone else, or of you accidentally shooting your kid thinking they're an intruder.

Instead call The Monitoring Center, Switching Is Easy, 18662474999

Here's how a normal person thinks Tim and it's as simple as this. If someone breaks into my home and threatens my family or just flat out breaks into my home it's a natural instinct to protect them with a gun, with a cannon, with a fucking rocket launcher, with a bat , a knife a slingshot or whatever I can get my hands on to, again, protect my loved ones I'm going to do it despite any law. I wouldn't give a fuck if it were stand your ground or otherwise. Like MOST, if someone breaks in they should know they're not walking out.

[TuHolmes]

No. You can still buy uzis. And what is a "machine gun"?
I think if it was the same exact circumstances, only changing skin color, you'd be watching the same thing unfold. But unless the black community organizes and attempts something like this, we'll never know.

I would like to find out.

Remember, these are the same people who pointed armed weapons at Feds in 2014 and there were no shots fired.

Do you also believe that would be the same? Numerous black men pointing firearms at federal law enforcement would not shot at?

[The Scott]

You state these generalities about me, yet it is clear you haven't read what I've written in this thread.  I've stated many time above that my starting this thread is to point out the hypocrisy of how the media and government is dealing with this, that if the group hadn't been white, they wouldn't have lived to see the next day.  I gave examples of how non-white protestors have been dealt with, from the deadly MOVE incident in Philadelphia, to just locking up all the toilets during OWS protests.  I said that the best thing to do this time is turn off the electricity and wait them out.

Trust me, I've read your words. I just happen to disagree with many of them.  Law abiding citizens are not the source of the problem and the government does not have the right to take away their Constitutionally guaranteed rights as written by the Founding Fathers not the fondling fathers.

Don't like guns? Don't own one.   Don't like guns being owned by good, decent law abiding Americans.  Too bad.  Don't like guns being used in crime?  Try asking for justice, not just us.  

And unless you are a total imbecile you know exactly what I am saying.  

[timfogarty]

You ever stop to think that the reason there isn't a tyrannical government is because citizens are armed?

No. there are many forms of tyranny.  Look at the early history of coal mining.  Lots of tyranny there. They (citizens) tried using guns there, didn't work. It took organized labor to break the tyranny.

From 1791 until 1934 there were not restrictions on what citizens could have or where they could carry arms.

the problem is weapons have become too efficient. Pretty much anyone can create or obtain weapons of mass destruction, and, with biotech, it's only going to get worse.

[timfogarty]

Here's how a normal person thinks Tim and it's as simple as this. If someone breaks into my home and threatens my family or just flat out breaks into my home it's a natural instinct to protect them with a gun, with a cannon, with a fucking rocket launcher, with a bat , a knife a slingshot or whatever I can get my hands on to, again, protect my loved ones I'm going to do it despite any law. I wouldn't give a fuck if it were stand your ground or otherwise. Like MOST, if someone breaks in they should know they're not walking out.

as was stated before, protecting your home from an intruder is not what Stand Your Ground laws are about. Protecting your home from an intruder was justifiable long before Stand Your Ground laws became popular. (BTW, no Stand Your Ground laws in California, but we do have Castle Doctrine.)

But a normal person should think that if the chances of needing to protect my children from an intruder is X, and the chances of my children getting hurt or killed from the thing I use to protect my children from an intruder is Y, and Y is much greater than X, I probably should find another way to protect my children from the unlikely chance of an intruder. 1 866 24 7 4 9 99

[B_B_C]

I would like to find out.

Remember, these are the same people who pointed armed weapons at Feds in 2014 and there were no shots fired.

Do you also believe that would be the same? Numerous black men pointing firearms at federal law enforcement would not shot at?

a young lad in a playground by himself answered that question a few years ago

[NarcissisticDeity]

You state these generalities about me, yet it is clear you haven't read what I've written in this thread.  I've stated many time above that my starting this thread is to point out the hypocrisy of how the media and government is dealing with this, that if the group hadn't been white, they wouldn't have lived to see the next day.  I gave examples of how non-white protestors have been dealt with, from the deadly MOVE incident in Philadelphia, to just locking up all the toilets during OWS protests.  I said that the best thing to do this time is turn off the electricity and wait them out.

Again Tim NOT accurate

And MOVE fired at police first

[andreisdaman]

Again Tim NOT accurate

And MOVE fired at police first

Marching..........not the same as taking over FEDERAL PROPERTY

[NarcissisticDeity]

Public health issue.  You're ok with restrictions on smoking, drinking. Ok with requiring a script from a doctor for prescription drugs.   You're ok with restrictions on driving, flying a plane. On and on.

You want to keep your guns to protect you from the government?  Ask a Yemeni wedding party how that's working out.

None of them are rights, and there are already restrictions on firearms.

A handful of Vietnamese peasants with rudimentary bombs and Mosins and AK's held off the mighty American war machine for 10+ years , just imagine what a 100 million Americans would do with 300 million private firearms

[NarcissisticDeity]

Marching..........not the same as taking over FEDERAL PROPERTY

Yes , but the point stands armed black men and women open carrying and not one of them killed for it. Exercising their 2nd amendment rights in front of a police station.

Tim is acting like if they were black they'd be gunned down , not true.

[B_B_C]

Yes , but the point stands armed black men and women open carrying and not one of them killed for it. Exercising their 2nd amendment rights in front of a police station.

Tim is acting like if they were black they'd be gunned down , not true.

what about that youn lad in the playground a few years ago?

[Kazan]

No. there are many forms of tyranny.  Look at the early history of coal mining.  Lots of tyranny there. They (citizens) tried using guns there, didn't work. It took organized labor to break the tyranny.

the problem is weapons have become too efficient. Pretty much anyone can create or obtain weapons of mass destruction, and, with biotech, it's only going to get worse.

You are off track, the government wasn't running coal mines.

Dude you could buy a tommy gun from the sears catalog prior to 1934. Don't try to tell me about how much more efficient weapons are now. A tommy gun was a fully automatic .45 cal weapon. It is one of the most stable hand held fully automatic platforms. Then came the NFA to ban "gangster guns". Your real fear is of people not guns, and you are under the illusion if people do not have access to guns, suddenly they are going to act like upstanding citizens

[NarcissisticDeity]

If the purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect us from a tyrannical government, then your little assault weapons won't be enough.  Why are you not fighting for the right to bear surface to air missiles ? That is the only thing that might be able to protect you from the government's flying killer robots.

Ask the Vietnamese , ask the Afghans , and ask the Iraqis, they would beg to differ. Know your history.

[mr.turbo]

Ask the Vietnamese , ask the Afghans , and ask the Iraqis, they would beg to differ. Know your history.

haha these countries have all been uttery destroyed! come on man you can do better this!  

only in the US will you read this shit. post of the year!

[NarcissisticDeity]

what about that youn lad in the playground a few years ago?

Tamir Rice. bad situation all around. I personally feel the kid shouldn't have been shot but I could see how they mistook his " toy " for a real gun. I think the cops overreacted but the kid removed the orange plug out the barrel and was pointed it at people in the park , a lot of failure on all ends. The cops shouldn't have just rolled up on him like that either

I think this picture says a lot

[NarcissisticDeity]

haha these countries have all been uttery destroyed! come on man you can do better this!  

only in the US will you read this shit. post of the year!

You think your dismissive post proves that these peasants with basic firearms didn't hold off the American war machine for years?  Keep trying kid.

[B_B_C]

Tamir Rice. bad situation all around. I personally feel the kid shouldn't have been shot but I could see how they mistook his " toy " for a real gun. I think the cops overreacted but the kid removed the orange plug out the barrel and was pointed it at people in the park , a lot of failure on all ends. The cops shouldn't have just rolled up on him like that either

I think this picture says a lot

it may be a bad case all round but he wasnt given even four hours let alone 4 days and the depth of ambiguity around the case is perverse