Are people that brainwashed they dont even stop and question their religion?

[Radical Plato]

I'm not an addictive type anyway and would not search for a 'relief" so have no worries about dependencies, but I'd certainly would like to try it for "self exploration". Listening to music must be really magic, I'm a huge music fanatic, can only imagine what it would be like. Tried just weed a few times till now, and it was great for the music too. Once a year such a trip probably wouldn't hurt anyone.

My love of music is why I like to indulge now and again.  It is indescribable what happens, it's like the music is actually speaking to you, like you actually understand what it is trying to convey. I could never describe it accurately enough to do it justice, but it is one of my favorite things to do when I have a day off.  I like to awake in the morning and then I have my coffee and oatmeal, with dates, cinnamon and protein powder of course and then drop 2 tabs of acid and put some music on, wait 45 mins and then I just melt into it.  I take it in the morning so it has worn off by the time I go to bed.  If I get the dose right I can still go out in public and nobody is none the wiser.  I do get a bit self conscious but I just make sure to keep to myself and not get to deep into any conversations with anyone in case they pick up on the fact that something isn't quite right.

[da_vinci]

My love of music is why I like to indulge now and again.  It is indescribable what happens, it's like the music is actually speaking to you, like you actually understand what it is trying to convey. I could never describe it accurately enough to do it justice, but it is one of my favorite things to do when I have a day off.  I like to awake in the morning and then I have my coffee and oatmeal, with dates, cinnamon and protein powder of course and then drop 2 tabs of acid and put some music on, wait 45 mins and then I just melt into it.  I take it in the morning so it has worn off by the time I go to bed.  If I get the dose right I can still go out in public and nobody is none the wiser.  I do get a bit self conscious but I just make sure to keep to myself and not get to deep into any conversations with anyone in case they pick up on the fact that something isn't quite right.

Lol. How long approx can you effectively trip on it and feel the good state? I listen to electronic music mostly, it's particulary good for basically any drug.

[Radical Plato]

Lol. How long approx can you effectively trip on it and feel the good state? I listen to electronic music mostly, it's particulary good for basically any drug.

The effects last anywhere between 6-10 hours.  There is a bell curve of course, usually peaking in the 2-4 hr range.  People freak out about psychedelics, but a lot of it is just propaganda.  I will say this though, I do think people who lack insight usually have bad trips, because I do believe acid reveals parts of our unconscious and subconscious to us, and I have known people to have absolute meltdowns on it, they couldn't handle the mirror that acid held up to them.  I always recommend some xanax on hand for inexperienced users, some xanax will usually nullify the acid and essentially cancel a bad trip.

[da_vinci]

The effects last anywhere between 6-10 hours.  There is a bell curve of course, usually peaking in the 2-4 hr range.

Thx, I'll try it some day.

[Radical Plato]

Thx, I'll try it some day.

What country are you from da_vinci?

[Man of Steel]

Yes, that's exactly what you suggest me - to stop taking charge in my life and start "buzzing" myself with faith (which is equal to the effect of being drunk). The thing is - I'm succesfully navigating through life and I don't need any "god", faith or anything else, I simply do not care, if I die - I die, if I win I win, if I suffer I suffer, I'm ready to take anything that comes my way with a head up high, and I've done that many times already. That's the difference betweet strong and weak. Weak indulge in various ways to numb their frustrations of not being a le to deal with life, that is exactly: either alcohol, drugs OR religion. A false/artificial sense of "all is good". All is good when you effectively survive on this planet, because that's really the only point of life at all. You clearly weren't able to achieve that, just like many other weak animals, so you became angry and depressed and the relief that was suitable for you came out to be religion, that is of course better that being on antidepressants.
I don't have much to tell you about my "experience". My grandparents were somewhat religious and I just like many kids believed in the authority of theirs and followed what they told me, not like you have much choice as a kid. It's exactly just like with santa - you believe it because yoyr parents say it's true (and it's a nice/appealing idea, just like god), but there comes an age of reason and you figure out it's all bullshit. My intellect has been way too high to believe in god for any longer than that and I have been way too strong minded individual to relie on an imaginary friend. I've always took charge in my life and blamed only myself if something went wrong, congradulated myself too if I succeeded. Weak people doesn't act like that, that's how I found out that god is for weak, who can't manage to deal with life with a sober mind, they need some kind of artificial "joy" to keep them going. And I'm fully aware that the "joy" comes when my life is balanced and I'm making a progress in it.

Well you've made your choice.

[Man of Steel]

I still can't understand why have you felt "not secure", what do you think were the exact mistakes of your parents/family who did not prapare you well for this life?

You aren't understanding me but that doesn't matter now.

[Man of Steel]

I don't feel suicidal per se, just at a point in life where I am delving deep into existential issues and it has me questioning life long held values and meanings. I have never understood other people's concerns when others talk of suicide.  I mean, how do we know what another is experiencing and how do we know that suicide isn't the best option for that person.  I had a good friend commit suicide at 42, I know why he did it, I think for himself he probably did what he thought was best and who knows maybe it was.  I know what his circumstances were and the remainder of his life would have probably consisted of many years of torment and misery. Who am I to say he should stick around and learn to enjoy being a masochist.

This is why I like the euthanasia movement, they don't try and talk anybody out of suicide, they advocate harm minimisation and the most effective ways to end your life.  To be honest, I think if someone is determined to take their life, their isn't much you can say to prevent it.  Suicide is a deeply deeply personal issue that happens to have broad social ramifications unfortunately.  Like I said, not suicidal, just questioning the meaning of life, if there is such a thing.

I'm going to pray for deliverance in your life.  You seem like a decent man, but I can assure you that drug use and suicidal thoughhts in whatever form they come are demonic in nature.  A heart turned for Christ can deliver you from all that darkness and set your mind anew and give you righteous perspective.  Be free of your sin.  I care about you and know the difference Christ can make....make you a new man.

[The Ugly]

1) I believe when we exit this life we then enter eternity.  I don't believe any part of us existed prior to our births (body or soul).  I know that God is aware of our future existence, but nothing beyond that.

Folks that die without hearing the gospel, reading the scriptures or hearing the name Jesus Christ will be fairly judged based upon what has been revealed to them in their lives and their response to that revelation.   2) Scripture indicates everyone knows the reality of God via his creation so they are without excuse.   Again, I believe that God is a fair and righteous judge and that the more someone knows the more severe their judgment will be.

1) Ok, makes much more sense, 'cause I don't recall shit before birth.

2) You're ok with this, though? Some Native Injun, told by his trusted Elders the various origin myths, tribe after tribe for centuries, right. And he's just supposed to step outside the teepee, contemplate himself and his surroundings - reject all he's ever been taught - and simply arrive, somehow, at Abraham's God.

That's really something.

Historically, you know, he represents well over a billion "without excuse" condemned souls, and it so easily could've been EVERY lucky-to-be-born-Christian Christian.

[The Ugly]

I take acid every now and again to break things up.  It truly is one of the best drugs ever.  You should try it, it is easy to get on the darknet and because they are essentially tiny little paper tabs it is the easiest drug to receive through the mail that almost NEVER gets intercepted.  I just ordered a fresh batch and will be tripping later this week.  I love to do it on my own and listen to music, music just comes alive on this drug. And I go for long walks in nature.  On acid my whole body sometimes gets really light and I can walk and walk for hours on end with zero fatigue.  And I can laugh for ever while watching something funny when tripping.  And it is unlikely you develop a dependance as you develop an immediate tolerance, so you have to wait at least a week or two before doing it again to achieve the desired effect.  And good acid has virtually no negative comedown, maybe a little insomnia but that's about it.  It's like waking from a pleasant dream as it wears off, that has been my experience although I have had a couple of bad trips, but they aren't as bad as some of the stories I have heard.  Just have to get the dosage right.

www.darknet.com?

I think their site is down for maintenance.

[Man of Steel]

1) Ok, makes much more sense, 'cause I don't recall shit before birth.

2) You're ok with this, though? Some Native Injun, told by his trusted Elders the various origin myths, tribe after tribe for centuries, right. And he's just supposed to step outside the teepee, contemplate himself and his surroundings - reject all he's ever been taught - and simply arrive, somehow, at Abraham's God.

That's really something.

Historically, you know, he represents well over a billion "without excuse" condemned souls, and it so easily could've been EVERY lucky-to-be-born-Christian Christian.

In these types of situations most conclude that God's judgment will be cruel and unfair.  God's justice is just and he will evaluate each person individually.  I've experienced his grace, mercy, loving kindness and I believe his judgment will be appropriate.

If a tribesman never heard the name Jesus Christ I still know God's law is written upon his heart and that God is made evident to him through creation.

[Radical Plato]

www.darknet.com?

I think their site is down for maintenance.

Oh, the darknet isn't a site as such, but a general term for a less well known hidden part of the Internet, usually accessed using specialist browsers like TOR. I shouldn't have used the term 'easy enough'.  You do need a little computer knowledge and you also need to know how to get hold of some digital currency like bitcoins.  But once you know what to do it isn't to hard.  There are several tutorials online how to buy goods on the darknnet, maybe even try reddit, but if you really want to explore darknetmarkets just google it and study up a bit and you will be amazed what is going on out there.

[Radical Plato]

I'm going to pray for deliverance in your life.  You seem like a decent man, but I can assure you that drug use and suicidal thoughhts in whatever form they come are demonic in nature.  A heart turned for Christ can deliver you from all that darkness and set your mind anew and give you righteous perspective.  Be free of your sin.  I care about you and know the difference Christ can make....make you a new man.

To be fair MOS, I appreciate the sentiment, but I feel the god botherers are way behind me, you have only gotten stuck on a branch of the tree and refused to break free and climb any higher.  And Psychedelics are probably the reason Religion exists, strange really, because if there wasn't people like me who are curious enough to explore things like psychedelic drugs there would be no people like you.  

I liked what Camus said on the absurd and the belief in GOD. This from the wikipedia

The meaning of life

According to absurdism, humans historically attempt to find meaning in their lives. Traditionally, this search results in one of two conclusions: either that life is meaningless, or life contains within it a purpose set forth by a higher power—a belief in God, or adherence to some religion or other abstract concept.
Elusion
Camus perceives filling the void with some invented belief or meaning as a mere "act of eluding"—that is, avoiding or escaping rather than acknowledging and embracing the Absurd. To Camus, elusion is a fundamental flaw in religion, existentialism, and various other schools of thought. If the individual eludes the Absurd, then he or she can never confront it.
God
Even with a spiritual power as the answer to meaning, another question arises: What is the purpose of a belief in God? Kierkegaard believed that there is no human-comprehensible purpose of God, making faith in God absurd itself. Camus on the other hand states that to believe in God is to "deny one of the terms of the contradiction" between humanity and the universe (and is therefore not absurd but what he calls "philosophical suicide").
Personal meaning
For Camus, the beauty people encounter in life makes it worth living. People may create meaning in their own lives, which may not be the objective meaning of life (if there is one), but can still provide something to strive for. However, he insisted that one must always maintain an ironic distance between this invented meaning and the knowledge of the absurd, lest the fictitious meaning take the place of the absurd.
Freedom
Freedom cannot be achieved beyond what the absurdity of existence permits; however, the closest one can come to being absolutely free is through acceptance of the Absurd. Camus introduced the idea of "acceptance without resignation" as a way of dealing with the recognition of absurdity, asking whether or not man can "live without appeal", while defining a "conscious revolt" against the avoidance of absurdity of the world. In a world devoid of higher meaning or judicial afterlife, the human nature becomes as close to absolutely free as is humanly possible.
Hope
The rejection of hope, in absurdism, denotes the refusal to believe in anything more than what this absurd life provides. Hope, Camus emphasizes, however, has nothing to do with despair (meaning that the two terms are not opposites). One can still live fully while rejecting hope, and, in fact, can only do so without hope. Hope is perceived by the absurdist as another fraudulent method of evading the Absurd, and by not having hope, one is motivated to live every fleeting moment to the fullest. In the words of Nikos Kazantzakis' epitaph: "I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free."
Integrity
The absurdist is not guided by morality, but rather, by their own integrity. The absurdist is, in fact, amoral (though not necessarily immoral). The Absurdist's view of morality implies an unwavering sense of definite right and wrong at all times, while integrity implies honesty with one's self and consistency in the motivations of one's actions and decisions.

[The Ugly]

Oh, the darknet isn't a site as such, but a general term for a less well known hidden part of the Internet, usually accessed using specialist browsers like TOR. I shouldn't have used the term 'easy enough'.  You do need a little computer knowledge and you also need to know how to get hold of some digital currency like bitcoins.  But once you know what to do it isn't to hard.  There are several tutorials online how to buy goods on the darknnet, maybe even try reddit, but if you really want to explore darknetmarkets just google it and study up a bit and you will be amazed what is going on out there.

Just playing, man.

[Radical Plato]

Just playing, man.

Oh, well played.  How about a smile face, it may have saved me writing out that monologue man.

[The Ugly]

In these types of situations most conclude that God's judgment will be cruel and unfair.  God's justice is just and he will evaluate each person individually.  I've experienced his grace, mercy, loving kindness and I believe his judgment will be appropriate.

If a tribesman never heard the name Jesus Christ I still know God's law is written upon his heart and that God is made evident to him through creation.

Seems you ignored my whole point. Yes, he probably accepts "creation," but he certainly didn't choose the correct creator. He accepts whatever god(s) his people have always acknowledged/worshipped/whatever, which is blasphemous, I believe.

And this would also imply the rest of us, too, having no excuse because He's made it all so apparent via creation and the heart-writing, yeah? Baffling that He offers so little while expecting so much, with such extraordinary consequences. Even more baffling that so many are ok with is.

Have a good night, sir.

[The Ugly]

Oh, well played.  How about a smile face, it may have saved me writing out that monologue man.

Usually don't do faces, sorry. Seemed sorta obvious to me.