an increase to 15hr min wage would mean

[The_Punisher]

They should just raise it. Then Taco Bell will cost what Chipotle does and Chipotle will be $20. Then they all can all pay the new medical tax like the rest of us.

Chipotle is loosing mad money these days eversince that food scare.....it's scary to see stores that used to be packed to the teeth at lunch time are now almost empty....wow...they need to recover fast

[BlackMetallic]

I remember a time when people who worked at Mcdonalds were kids and the only adult was the manager

Working at a fast food restaurant was a beginner/entry level job. The low pay was an incentive to get an education and training and go on to higher paying, better jobs   

Now you you see a lot more adults working there

People have become complacent

[Tha Grim Lifter]

Raise the McDonalds minimum wage and

1) The price increases of food so less people go there, means less employees needed so Macas pays say 4 employee's $15 instead of 6 employees $10

2) You get a higher quality employee wanting the job which means the restaurant will choose better quality employee's over the ones they have now

Both mean lower skilled workers working there now will not have as many opportunities available to enter the workforce.

It's an entry level job. I left uni 15 years ago I didn't get into a high paying job I had to learn skills. At Macas it's basic shit anyone can do it (I did for 3.5 years) if people want a better paying job learn the skills and move to a better job. This is what happens in China, a lot of people complain they don't get paid enough, I've been there and spoken to factories, once good employee's skill up they can easily move to a better paying factory in 6 months. That's how it should be.

[Mr Anabolic]

I remember a time when people who worked at Mcdonalds were kids and the only adult was the manager

Working at a fast food restaurant was a beginner/entry level job. The low pay was an incentive to get an education and training and go on to higher paying, better jobs   

Now you you see a lot more adults working there.  People have become complacent

Now it's a career for some.

Automated robots will eventually replace most of these jobs.  Robots don't miss work and don't need healthcare benefits.

[beverast]

I work for a small to medium sized company (some 25 full time jobs + some 10 part timers/on call people) and I'm the only "middle" management here, and as such 2nd in command, if you will. We have a legal minimum wage of 8.50€/h since 1.1.2015 over here, and unions are pushing for a raise, with the most common figure being 10€ an hour. It's a double edged sword for sure. On the one hand cost of living over here is a bitch and I couldn't see myself getting by on 8.5 or even 10€ an hour, especially not with the ridiculous cut the man takes for taxes, health insurance, social security etc. pp., on the other hand there's work that simply doesn't generate a value equivalent to what we end up paying for them to work (wage + 30% nonwage labour costs + fixed costs for electricity, maintenance, tools and so forth). Now, I don't want to oversimplify the issue by saying "if you want people to be able to live off of their wage, lower taxes and other dues", but it sure it already is a competitive enough world for a company like us. We mostly serve companies much larger than us and the hordes of fresh off the university "strategic purchasers" (or similarly important sounding titles) the companies hire only care for their numbers, and why wouldn't they, after all that's what they're paid to do.

[SOMEPARTS]

Chipotle is loosing mad money these days eversince that food scare.....it's scary to see stores that used to be packed to the teeth at lunch time are now almost empty....wow...they need to recover fast

Yeah, the E-coli thing. Where is it coming from? Employees shitting in the food or what? I've been in 4 different Chipotle stores. Maybe they should try not hiring lazy hipsters that are covered in tatts and piercings. These are people living with mom and dad in their dirty rooms, driving around filthy trash filled cars and probably don't wash their hands either. The cleanest Chipotle I have been in was being worked in by mostly Mexican immigrants.

[pellius]

16 million people in the US make minimum wage.  only 20% of those 16 million are under 20.

Doesn't matter.  We don't need workers any more.  All the high paying manufacturing jobs have been gone for a while.  All the high paying white collar jobs are disappearing quickly. 

Self driving cars are less than 20 years away.  After that we won't need anyone who gets paid to drive, including truckers, bus drivers, taxi drivers, delivery people.

So either in the not too distant future, the vast majority of the world will be in abject poverty (and that tends to cause revolutions), or we'll have guaranteed income.  Everyone will be given a living wage for doing very little or nothing at all.

And there you go. And in the same breath people claim that raising the price of labor doesn't reduce the demand of labor (jobs). There use to be a time when someone pumped your gas and washed dishes by hand. But keep raising the cost of labor and then claim if business owners can't afford to pay their workers the higher wage then they shouldn't be in business. Doesn't work that way. They just eliminate the job.

About ten years ago Albertson's cashiers went on a strike demanding higher wages. They're union so they have a lot of bargaining power. They won. They got their higher wages. The eight checkout lines went down to four with the other four being self-serve. Even during non peak hours the self serve line is always open.

[Dave D]

Wasn't there a time when people would strike and/or unionize to establish fair working environments? Asking the government to step in usually doesn't end well.

[pellius]

I remember a time when people who worked at Mcdonalds were kids and the only adult was the manager

Working at a fast food restaurant was a beginner/entry level job. The low pay was an incentive to get an education and training and go on to higher paying, better jobs   

Now you you see a lot more adults working there

People have become complacent

As the pay gets higher it attracts more applicants. The employer can now be more picky whom they hire. Why hire a teenager with all the problems it brings when you can hire an adult? An adult is working there to supplement the household income. It's bread on the table. A teen is there to earn concert, gas and weed money. They don't have as strong as an incentive to give a shit. So an employer's incentive is to hire an adult.

[Howard]

less hiring
cost of goods food ect increase
more tax collected by gov per person
less w orkers


stats by your lead economist electrical champion

Maybe? But look, ANYTHING that helps get more getbiggers to move out of their mom's basement gets my support.

Hope this helps.

[disco_stu]

less hiring
cost of goods food ect increase
more tax collected by gov per person
less w orkers


stats by your lead economist electrical champion

more spending, less social services due to less people being on skid row, less crime due to less desperate people, better facilities due to more tax revenue.

obviously someone way smarter than us costed your negatives with my positives and worked out that the best overall position is by increasing minimum wage.

[timfogarty]

Yeah, the E-coli thing. Where is it coming from? Employees shitting in the food or what? I've been in 4 different Chipotle stores. Maybe they should try not hiring lazy hipsters that are covered in tatts and piercings. These are people living with mom and dad in their dirty rooms, driving around filthy trash filled cars and probably don't wash their hands either. The cleanest Chipotle I have been in was being worked in by mostly Mexican immigrants.

the e-coli is coming from factory farms and slaughter houses.  cooking the meat thoroughly is important.  but cross contamination between the raw meat and fresh produce is probably happening.

[Primemuscle]

They should just raise it. Then Taco Bell will cost what Chipotle does and Chipotle will be $20. Then they all can all pay the new medical tax like the rest of us.

Not sure why everyone's so upset about this. Most of these minimum wage proposals phase the increase in over a 6 or more year period. It's not like tomorrow you minimum wage earners will show up at work delighted to discover you just got a big raise. 

[pellius]

more spending, less social services due to less people being on skid row, less crime due to less desperate people, better facilities due to more tax revenue.

obviously someone way smarter than us costed your negatives with my positives and worked out that the best overall position is by increasing minimum wage.

Yeah, and that's just by raising it to $15 and hour. Imagine if we raised it to $100/hour. Not only will people use less social services
but we'll all be rich.

BTW, who is the "obviously someone way smarter than us" you are talking about?

[Primemuscle]

CPI is at about 3.5% a year. Wages have not kept pace with CPI. The last time the Federal minimum wage was increased was in 2009. CPI increases every year. Folks are trying to survive on 2009 wages with 2016 prices. It doesn't work.

[US MUSL]

Years ago high school kids and retirees worked at McDonalds/fast food. Now you have adults with families working at Micky D's and complaining they can't make a living wage. Grow up and get a real job!

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[Coach is Back!]

bah bah bah.. all it means is less people at the gym, and more people working

How can you have more people working when businesses have to raise costs to cover the mandated wage. It will drive consumers away. Holy shit, you're a PhD candidate??

[Primemuscle]

Years ago high school kids and retirees worked at McDonalds/fast food. Now you have adults with families working at Micky D's and complaining they can't make a living wage. Grow up and get a real job!

I suspect most of them have tried.  I suspect this is a bit difficult when you don't speak the language. For many the job at McDonalds is just one of several they go to each week.

[Primemuscle]

How can you have more people working when businesses have to raise costs to cover the mandated wage. It will drive consumers away. Holy shit, you're a PhD candidate??

Corporate profits have never been higher. CEO's earn millions more than they ever have in the past. Obviously, someone is making out just fine. Ever hear of slavery?

[Coach is Back!]

Corporate profits have never been higher. CEO's earn millions more than they ever have in the past. Obviously, someone is making out just fine. Ever hear of slavery?

Let's just assume for one second you're right about profits never being higher (which is BS because the economy pretty much sucks) do you actually think those profits aren't being reinvested to create more stores that in turn creates more jobs? Think about that. Who gives a shit if profits are higher. That's what you go into business for and honestly you couldn't live without these businesses.

As far as CEO's that are making millions? Good for them. They should. They're smarter than us, they assume the risk and make most of the decisions. It's their decisions that drive this economy, keep the doors open and create jobs. Let's go over this. You would rather pay $15 or more for a minimum wage than to help create more stores and more jobs?

[BB]

Not sure why everyone's so upset about this. Most of these minimum wage proposals phase the increase in over a 6 or more year period. It's not like tomorrow you minimum wage earners will show up at work delighted to discover you just got a big raise.  

Indeed, when you look at these minimum wage proposals, it's a raise of $.50 - $1.00 an hour, per year till they reach the mythical $15/hour minimum wage in most states. It's probably only pennies over what would've been the worker's merit raises anyway. Much to do about nothing.

Aside from San Francisco, Seattle, etc... the big jumps only seem to be happening in the public sector.

[Danimal77]

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ONLY PASTE THE PART AFTER THE EQUAL SIGN (=)!!!!! How hard is that to do?

[SOMEPARTS]

Corporate profits have never been higher. CEO's earn millions more than they ever have in the past. Obviously, someone is making out just fine. Ever hear of slavery?

Who is going to raise corporate tax levels, dis-allow profit being moved overseas, and reduce CEO pay? Not either of the parties that are part of the money kickback from the very same corporations. Not even when they outright say it, swear it nada....not gonna happen.

We can't be this gullible in the USA. Surely. Voting on emotion created by politicians..."we will get those greedy CEO's back by raising the minimum wage"...meanwhile every small time McDonald's franchise owner goes out of business and the corporation scoops up the locations and puts a burger making robot in there.

If the market bears $15 an hour so be it. But as for gov't mandates I'll pass....I have mandated health insurance that costs 50% more and has 1/2 of my old coverage(if that). Did the medical companies get smaller, make less money? No, they consolidated and should have gotten more efficient. But after everybody figured out the govt mandated guaranteed money was coming they set prices that they wanted, not prices that they needed to just be profitable. That deal was struck by the same politicians you believe want to get back at "rich CEOs". It's nonsense and the real slave masters are having it all ways - making the laws to get paid and telling you how to think to keep them in office.

[OB1]

Who is going to raise corporate tax levels, dis-allow profit being moved overseas, and reduce CEO pay? Not either of the parties that are part of the money kickback from the very same corporations. Not even when they outright say it, swear it nada....not gonna happen.

We can't be this gullible in the USA. Surely. Voting on emotion created by politicians..."we will get those greedy CEO's back by raising the minimum wage"...meanwhile every small time McDonald's franchise owner goes out of business and the corporation scoops up the locations and puts a burger making robot in there.

If the market bears $15 an hour so be it. But as for gov't mandates I'll pass....I have mandated health insurance that costs 50% more and has 1/2 of my old coverage(if that). Did the medical companies get smaller, make less money? No, they consolidated and should have gotten more efficient. But after everybody figured out the govt mandated guaranteed money was coming they set prices that they wanted, not prices that they needed to just be profitable. That deal was struck by the same politicians you believe want to get back at "rich CEOs". It's nonsense and the real slave masters are having it all ways - making the laws to get paid and telling you how to think to keep them in office.

Better not thinking about it.
Only makes you angry and high blood pressure isn't exactly healthy.
Alone you can't do anything anyway.