Shredding cycle need to figure it out asap

[Gainsi]

Hey guys, i need to get ready for an event in 10 weeks. I have 3 more weeks to bulk and than i will start cutting. I will have 7 weeks to get as ripped as possible. I need some advice on my cycle, I did some brain storming but I still need some fixing.

My current stats:

6'1, 215 pounds, 15% bodyfat.

I didn't include any stimulants yet in my cutting Protocol. If I do, I will include Clenbuterol. Also, I don't think I will be able to run Anavar as I will need to give my liver a break from Dianabol, I will probably be taking 500mg of TUDCA a day till I start my new orals 4 weeks out. For the T4, as I have never ran it before, I don't know if it will be enough, I just hear mixed opinions about it being better than T3 when combined with HGH. I don't want to be flat because I use too much of it though.

Protocol

Week 1-7 Injectables

• 150mg Testosterone Enanthate - 50mg Monday/Wednesday/Friday

• 350mg Trenbolone Acetate - 50mg ED

• 350mg Nandrolone Phenylpropionate - 50mg ED

• 600mg Equipoise Boldenone - 200mg M/W/F

Week 4-7

• 350mg Masteron Propionate - 50mg ED

Week 1-7 Main Oral

• 50,75,100mg Anavar ED (won't be able to run it, need to give my liver a break)

Week 4-7 Orals

• 50mg Winstrol ED

• 1mg Methyltrienolone on workout days

Week 1-5 HGH

• 10 units Generic HGH Arctotropin - 5/5iu morning and preworkout

Week 1-7 Ancillaries

• 100mcg T4 ED

• 1mg Cabergoline Dostinex 0.5mg M/F

• 60mg Raloxifene before bed

Week 1-7 Melanotan II Peptide

• 0.2mg Melanotan II M to F - Tan 2-3x a week


Currently running (I am about to end week 10 of my bulk):

Week 1-13 Base Injectable Compounds

• 600mg Testosterone Enanthate 200mg M/W/F

• 450mg Deca-Durabolin 150mg M/W/F

• 450mg Equipoise Boldenone M/W/F

Week 10-13 Oral

• 50mg Thai Blue Hearts Dianabol ED

Week 1-13 HGH

• 7.5 units or half a vial of Generic HGH Arctotropin before bed

Week 1-13 Ancillaries

• 12.5mg Aromasin/Exemestane before bed

• 1mg Cabergoline Dostinex 0.5mg M/F

• 60mg Raloxifene before bed


Thanks

[Jizmo]

why the complicated layout/staggering?

id just run test/tren all the way through
from your progress pics you look very ecto-ish, so run the test high and the tren moderate. thats it
can add oral later on (would pick winny or mtren)

also id run more t4 with 10iu GH (if that stuff actually is GH).. most run 150-200mcg and i think t4 wont make you flat. the conversion process of t4 to t3 is supposed to have anabolic properties when on higher doses of GH, but i dont think 100mcg t4 will actually do anything

[Thong Maniac]

Hey guys, i need to get ready for an event in 10 weeks. I have 3 more weeks to bulk and than i will start cutting. I will have 7 weeks to get as ripped as possible. I need some advice on my cycle, I did some brain storming but I still need some fixing.

My current stats:

6'1, 215 pounds, 15% bodyfat.

I didn't include any stimulants yet in my cutting Protocol. If I do, I will include Clenbuterol. Also, I don't think I will be able to run Anavar as I will need to give my liver a break from Dianabol, I will probably be taking 500mg of TUDCA a day till I start my new orals 4 weeks out. For the T4, as I have never ran it before, I don't know if it will be enough, I just hear mixed opinions about it being better than T3 when combined with HGH. I don't want to be flat because I use too much of it though.

Protocol

Week 1-7 Injectables

• 150mg Testosterone Enanthate - 50mg Monday/Wednesday/Friday

• 350mg Trenbolone Acetate - 50mg ED

• 350mg Nandrolone Phenylpropionate - 50mg ED

• 600mg Equipoise Boldenone - 200mg M/W/F

Week 4-7

• 350mg Masteron Propionate - 50mg ED

Week 1-7 Main Oral

• 50,75,100mg Anavar ED (won't be able to run it, need to give my liver a break)

Week 4-7 Orals

• 50mg Winstrol ED

• 1mg Methyltrienolone on workout days

Week 1-5 HGH

• 10 units Generic HGH Arctotropin - 5/5iu morning and preworkout

Week 1-7 Ancillaries

• 100mcg T4 ED

• 1mg Cabergoline Dostinex 0.5mg M/F

• 60mg Raloxifene before bed

Week 1-7 Melanotan II Peptide

• 0.2mg Melanotan II M to F - Tan 2-3x a week


Currently running (I am about to end week 10 of my bulk):

Week 1-13 Base Injectable Compounds

• 600mg Testosterone Enanthate 200mg M/W/F

• 450mg Deca-Durabolin 150mg M/W/F

• 450mg Equipoise Boldenone M/W/F

Week 10-13 Oral

• 50mg Thai Blue Hearts Dianabol ED

Week 1-13 HGH

• 7.5 units or half a vial of Generic HGH Arctotropin before bed

Week 1-13 Ancillaries

• 12.5mg Aromasin/Exemestane before bed

• 1mg Cabergoline Dostinex 0.5mg M/F

• 60mg Raloxifene before bed


Thanks

ridiculously over complicated bro science cycle of peace, with half or more of the drugs you mentoning probably just relabeled vials of test and not the actual compound. good luck.

like jizmo said, this is too complicated for no reason. run some test and tren and AI and orals close to comp. cut uour calories well below maintenence to get shredded fast. thats all that matters.

your anavar is just winny with trace amounts of var to pass a labmax kit test

[ritch]

NOt enough drugs.

What did Bostin say? He should be able to give you advice.

Dude, stop with this nonsense a pick up kitting since you like sticks with pointy ends.

edit: I took out the "mean" part.

[Bindare_Dundat]

why the complicated layout/staggering?

id just run test/tren all the way through
from your progress pics you look very ecto-ish, so run the test high and the tren moderate. thats it
can add oral later on (would pick winny or mtren)

also id run more t4 with 10iu GH (if that stuff actually is GH).. most run 150-200mcg and i think t4 wont make you flat. the conversion process of t4 to t3 is supposed to have anabolic properties when on higher doses of GH, but i dont think 100mcg t4 will actually do anything

Agree with the test and tren. I would sub any T3,T4 with Clenbuterol. That's how I prefer it too.

[lilhawk1]

The main problem with all that is you're not even taking GH.  So forget the T4 and T3 because whatever the fuck Arctotropin is, it's not GH. 

[ritch]

The main problem with all that is you're not even taking GH.  So forget the T4 and T3 because whatever the fuck Arctotropin is, it's not GH. 

So GH fixes the problem here?

I really doubt it.

[local hero]

Agree with the test and tren. I would sub any T3,T4 with Clenbuterol. That's how I prefer it too.

I honestly don't think you need fat burners to get ripped, clen does next to nothing, ephidrene does give you a boost at least

If your diet is good and your cardio is sufficient you cant go wrong. I used to build upto two 45+ min sessions per day , I would actualy rate daily stairmill as vital in getting separated quads,hamstrings,glutes

As has been said , keep it simple, fuck your little bulk ..get straight on the diet and be truly shredded by the time, the longer you have the better, unless you want to just be in 'ok' shape and whinge about "holding water"

[ritch]

I honestly don't think you need fat burners to get ripped, clen does next to nothing, ephidrene does give you a boost at least

If your diet is good and your cardio is sufficient you cant go wrong. I used to build upto two 45+ min sessions per day , I would actualy rate daily stairmill as vital in getting separated quads,hamstrings,glutes

As has been said , keep it simple, fuck your little bulk ..get straight on the diet and be truly shredded by the time, the longer you have the better, unless you want to just be in 'ok' shape and whinge about "holding water"

If doing a show, ok, but for an average gym rat to do that is insanity to live that way.

Clen is popular for the reason it works. I'd never diet without it.

[local hero]

If doing a show, ok, but for an average gym rat to do that is insanity to live that way.

Clen is popular for the reason it works. I'd never diet without it.

I assumed he was doing a show, so this is just for a day out or something?, discount the cardio advices ...

I used to be the same with clen, but last few summers I've been shredded with no burners at all, which makes me question its worth, for me personally anyway

[Gainsi]

This is a picture of me now, and yes Jizmo is right, I am very ectomorphic. I have ridiculously long legs, my arms as well are long and have bicep with long insertions. So it is harder for me to get a bicep peak on them and make them grow. Same for hams and quads. The longer someone's limbs are, the harder it is to push weight and get stronger. It's easier for shorter people to push heavy weight, it's all mechanics. But also I put on fat much easier, none on my legs though.

I don't want to go flat but i also don't want to hold too much water from the test. I want to be peeled, that's why I wanted to add npp with the tren.

[Gainsi]

why the complicated layout/staggering?

id just run test/tren all the way through
from your progress pics you look very ecto-ish, so run the test high and the tren moderate. thats it
can add oral later on (would pick winny or mtren)

also id run more t4 with 10iu GH (if that stuff actually is GH).. most run 150-200mcg and i think t4 wont make you flat. the conversion process of t4 to t3 is supposed to have anabolic properties when on higher doses of GH, but i dont think 100mcg t4 will actually do anything

My test e dosage is at 600 as we speak, do you think i can keep there all the way and just swap my deca for 350 tren and bump my eq from 450 to 600?

For T4 I'll follow your advice do 200mg instead all 7 weeks

[ritch]

I assumed he was doing a show, so this is just for a day out or something?, discount the cardio advices ...

I used to be the same with clen, but last few summers I've been shredded with no burners at all, which makes me question its worth, for me personally anyway

Do you think it's possible having been at this for so long, by now you've been in shape so many times, maybe never really gotten out of shape that it's a lot easier to get there, therefore it appears clen has little or no value?

But think of the first times you used it and how much sharper you looked and how quickly it happened! Did that for me, whenever I start using it, I wonder why I ever stopped!

[Gainsi]

I honestly don't think you need fat burners to get ripped, clen does next to nothing, ephidrene does give you a boost at least

If your diet is good and your cardio is sufficient you cant go wrong. I used to build upto two 45+ min sessions per day , I would actualy rate daily stairmill as vital in getting separated quads,hamstrings,glutes

As has been said , keep it simple, fuck your little bulk ..get straight on the diet and be truly shredded by the time, the longer you have the better, unless you want to just be in 'ok' shape and whinge about "holding water"

Agreed, i'd rather keep my adrenal glands intact, even though the gh helps with that. Don't like coming off stims, you feel like turd

[Jizmo]

My test e dosage is at 600 as we speak, do you think i can keep there all the way and just swap my deca for 350 tren and bump my eq from 450 to 600?

For T4 I'll follow your advice do 200mg instead all 7 weeks

sure you can.
you can go low test or drop it completely 2 weeks out but imo thats not necessary
add the tren
EQ is useless imo

and NPP doesnt make you more crisp at all. it makes some people hold water. personally it makes me very nicely round and full. same as test really. not a drying AAS at all though.

[Gainsi]

sure you can.
you can go low test or drop it completely 2 weeks out but imo thats not necessary
add the tren
EQ is useless imo

and NPP doesnt make you more crisp at all. it makes some people hold water. personally it makes me very nicely round and full. same as test really. not a drying AAS at all though.

Yeah I rather keep my dosages where they are from the start, this way I prevent any unnecessary hormone fluctuations. So it's either I start with high Testosterone or low Testosterone. Given my body type, high is what I should choose.

That being said, I had chosen the NPP for fullness instead of high Testosterone. I had also chosen it because it is less androgenic than Testosterone and thus it would lower my risk of getting acne. I havn't tested out this theory but it only makes sense since too much Androgens give me acne and Anabolics have minial effects when it comes to this.
I know NPP holds less water than Testosterone and also keeps you nice and round as you described. I actually see this on Deca as we speak. Yet, I can't tell whether Nandrolone can replace a high dose of Testosterone.

For EQ, this compound has made it on my list of favorites. It simply gives a nice pop to my shoulders, good vascularity, a better squarey shape to my chest and most importantly, it keeps my endurance up. Most people say it's useless and some say it depends, but I have an eye for detail, and I really seem to like it. I want to run the full 16-20 weeks course of it than I'll drop it

[dj181]

cut uour calories well below maintenence to get shredded fast. thats all that matters.

THIS times a gazillion

 

[Gainsi]

THIS times a gazillion

 

I was thinking of no carbing till the event, any thoughts?

[ritch]

I was thinking of no carbing till the event, any thoughts?

Fuck no, best way to make your physique go to shits in a hurry.

Just take the middle road approach. Carbs before, during, after, next meal if you take them well, then protein+fat rest of the days.

Off days, 2-3 meals with carbs.

This way, you stay full, have mental advantages too.

One day of the week, just one meal with carbs.

Could say it's a type of carb cycling without being called carb cycling.

[dj181]

I was thinking of no carbing till the event, any thoughts?

it's total cals bro, marcos don't matter

for me, dryness comes once i've hit bout 7%

[herraisland]

This is a picture of me now, and yes Jizmo is right, I am very ectomorphic. I have ridiculously long legs, my arms as well are long and have bicep with long insertions. So it is harder for me to get a bicep peak on them and make them grow. Same for hams and quads. The longer someone's limbs are, the harder it is to push weight and get stronger. It's easier for shorter people to push heavy weight, it's all mechanics. But also I put on fat much easier, none on my legs though.

I don't want to go flat but i also don't want to hold too much water from the test. I want to be peeled, that's why I wanted to add npp with the tren.

Lol I thought u were bostin loyd for a second.. but looking good gainsi.

[Gainsi]

Fuck no, best way to make your physique go to shits in a hurry.

Just take the middle road approach. Carbs before, during, after, next meal if you take them well, then protein+fat rest of the days.

Off days, 2-3 meals with carbs.

This way, you stay full, have mental advantages too.

One day of the week, just one meal with carbs.

Could say it's a type of carb cycling without being called carb cycling.

Meal with carbs preworkout, intraworkout carb shake with bcaas, postworkout carbs and protein shake, postworkout meal with carbs. That's it? How many meals a day should I ideally hit, how many grams of protein and fat would you suggest and how many carbs on each of those meals?

[Gainsi]

it's total cals bro, marcos don't matter

for me, dryness comes once i've hit bout 7%

My waist gets thighter the less carbs i eat, ill make sure I start at -500 to -1000 cals

[Gainsi]

Lol I thought u were bostin loyd for a second.. but looking good gainsi.

Wowa hahaha thanks but I'm far from being bostin he is 260-280 pounds xD but he is also 6'3-6'4

[ritch]

it's total cals bro, marcos don't matter

for me, dryness comes once i've hit bout 7%

He's going to an event, no need to be 7%. He has 6 weeks? I'd say goinf from 15 to 9% would be a good achievement.

If macro's and shit don't matter, then why the fuck to the pro's and most people who are impressive do the opposite of what you say?

Guess you know better than them, huh?

Not a chance man...