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Yes, Daddy.
« on: January 18, 2016, 11:03:47 AM »
I read a very interesting piece a few days back - it analyzed Trump support.  It transcends education, gender, even political beliefs.  People that don't care about politics are very much loving him.  The article made it clear he was winning the vote with the AUTHORITARIAN vote - the people who just like a STRONG LEADER, regardless of what that leader stands for.  The same way kids will obey a father figure who is a mess, but highly self-confident and driven, rather than a weak, indecisive dad who actually has good ideas.

Trump is winning the people who like to lean on a strong leader.  A father figure.  A dominant, powerful voice (no matter what he's saying).  It reassures them and make them feel like *someone* is in control of this rock flying thru space.  A wall is a sign of CONTROL... something they crave.  Trump is their daddy. They crave it and need it.

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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2016, 12:02:48 PM »
People feel this way because they feel that the current regime isn't providing control or order. Trump is excellent at recognizing what his audience wants.

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Re: Yes, Daddy.
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2016, 12:28:13 PM »
I read a very interesting piece a few days back - it analyzed Trump support.  It transcends education, gender, even political beliefs.  People that don't care about politics are very much loving him.  The article made it clear he was winning the vote with the AUTHORITARIAN vote - the people who just like a STRONG LEADER, regardless of what that leader stands for.  The same way kids will obey a father figure who is a mess, but highly self-confident and driven, rather than a weak, indecisive dad who actually has good ideas.

Trump is winning the people who like to lean on a strong leader.  A father figure.  A dominant, powerful voice (no matter what he's saying).  It reassures them and make them feel like *someone* is in control of this rock flying thru space.  A wall is a sign of CONTROL... something they crave.  Trump is their daddy. They crave it and need it.

Link please.  I would love to see the analysis that went into this study

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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2016, 12:54:45 PM »
Link please.  I would love to see the analysis that went into this study

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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2016, 02:07:08 PM »
Sorry, but the "far left" article said most who vote authoritarianism are dems, and it also says trump has a damn good chance of winning the general election because of this.  So much for blaming the left.  It's actually a good article that makes sense...  Leadership beats out political positions for many.  It also explains why hes's doing well with independents and most importantly for the nomination - EVANGELICALS.  Religious people are HUGE authoritarian, but so are many with families and many struggling, regardless of party. 

This article does explain why trump has such crossover appeal despite his polarizing and often cruel staetements.  People respect strength because they respect strong leaders.



The One Weird Trait That Predicts Whether You’re a Trump Supporter

I asked you what most defines Donald Trump supporters, what would you say? They’re white? They’re poor? They’re uneducated?
You’d be wrong.

In fact, I’ve found a single statistically significant variable predicts whether a voter supports Trump—and it’s not race, income or education levels: It’s authoritarianism.

That’s right, Trump’s electoral strength—and his staying power—have been buoyed, above all, by Americans with authoritarian inclinations. And because of the prevalence of authoritarians in the American electorate, among Democrats as well as Republicans, it’s very possible that Trump’s fan base will continue to grow.

My finding is the result of a national poll I conducted in the last five days of December under the auspices of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, sampling 1,800 registered voters across the country and the political spectrum. Running a standard statistical analysis, I found that education, income, gender, age, ideology and religiosity had no significant bearing on a Republican voter’s preferred candidate. Only two of the variables I looked at were statistically significant: authoritarianism, followed by fear of terrorism, though the former was far more significant than the latter.

Authoritarianism is not a new, untested concept in the American electorate. Since the rise of Nazi Germany, it has been one of the most widely studied ideas in social science. While its causes are still debated, the political behavior of authoritarians is not. Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to “make America great again” by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations.

Not all authoritarians are Republicans by any means; in national surveys since 1992, many authoritarians have also self-identified as independents and Democrats. And in the 2008 Democratic primary, the political scientist Marc Hetherington found that authoritarianism mattered more than income, ideology, gender, age and education in predicting whether voters preferred Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama. But Hetherington has also found, based on 14 years of polling, that authoritarians have steadily moved from the Democratic to the Republican Party over time. He hypothesizes that the trend began decades ago, as Democrats embraced civil rights, gay rights, employment protections and other political positions valuing freedom and equality. In my poll results, authoritarianism was not a statistically significant factor in the Democratic primary race, at least not so far, but it does appear to be playing an important role on the Republican side. Indeed, 49 percent of likely Republican primary voters I surveyed score in the top quarter of the authoritarian scale—more than twice as many as Democratic voters.

Political pollsters have missed this key component of Trump’s support because they simply don’t include questions about authoritarianism in their polls. In addition to the typical battery of demographic, horse race, thermometer-scale and policy questions, my poll asked a set of four simple survey questions that political scientists have employed since 1992 to measure inclination toward authoritarianism. These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian.

Based on these questions, Trump was the only candidate—Republican or Democrat—whose support among authoritarians was statistically significant.

So what does this mean for the election? It doesn’t just help us understand what motivates Trump’s backers—it suggests that his support isn’t capped. In a statistical analysis of the polling results, I found that Trump has already captured 43 percent of Republican primary voters who are strong authoritarians, and 37 percent of Republican authoritarians overall. A majority of Republican authoritarians in my poll also strongly supported Trump’s proposals to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, prohibit Muslims from entering the United States, shutter mosques and establish a nationwide database that track Muslims.

And in a general election, Trump’s strongman rhetoric will surely appeal to some of the 39 percent of independents in my poll who identify as authoritarians and the 17 percent of self-identified Democrats who are strong authoritarians.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533#ixzz3xdVQa5qX

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Re: Yes, Daddy.
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2016, 03:36:42 PM »
Sorry, but the "far left" article said most who vote authoritarianism are dems, and it also says trump has a damn good chance of winning the general election because of this.  So much for blaming the left.  It's actually a good article that makes sense...  Leadership beats out political positions for many.  It also explains why hes's doing well with independents and most importantly for the nomination - EVANGELICALS.  Religious people are HUGE authoritarian, but so are many with families and many struggling, regardless of party. 

This article does explain why trump has such crossover appeal despite his polarizing and often cruel staetements.  People respect strength because they respect strong leaders.



The One Weird Trait That Predicts Whether You’re a Trump Supporter

I asked you what most defines Donald Trump supporters, what would you say? They’re white? They’re poor? They’re uneducated?
You’d be wrong.

In fact, I’ve found a single statistically significant variable predicts whether a voter supports Trump—and it’s not race, income or education levels: It’s authoritarianism.

That’s right, Trump’s electoral strength—and his staying power—have been buoyed, above all, by Americans with authoritarian inclinations. And because of the prevalence of authoritarians in the American electorate, among Democrats as well as Republicans, it’s very possible that Trump’s fan base will continue to grow.

My finding is the result of a national poll I conducted in the last five days of December under the auspices of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, sampling 1,800 registered voters across the country and the political spectrum. Running a standard statistical analysis, I found that education, income, gender, age, ideology and religiosity had no significant bearing on a Republican voter’s preferred candidate. Only two of the variables I looked at were statistically significant: authoritarianism, followed by fear of terrorism, though the former was far more significant than the latter.

Authoritarianism is not a new, untested concept in the American electorate. Since the rise of Nazi Germany, it has been one of the most widely studied ideas in social science. While its causes are still debated, the political behavior of authoritarians is not. Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to “make America great again” by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations.

Not all authoritarians are Republicans by any means; in national surveys since 1992, many authoritarians have also self-identified as independents and Democrats. And in the 2008 Democratic primary, the political scientist Marc Hetherington found that authoritarianism mattered more than income, ideology, gender, age and education in predicting whether voters preferred Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama. But Hetherington has also found, based on 14 years of polling, that authoritarians have steadily moved from the Democratic to the Republican Party over time. He hypothesizes that the trend began decades ago, as Democrats embraced civil rights, gay rights, employment protections and other political positions valuing freedom and equality. In my poll results, authoritarianism was not a statistically significant factor in the Democratic primary race, at least not so far, but it does appear to be playing an important role on the Republican side. Indeed, 49 percent of likely Republican primary voters I surveyed score in the top quarter of the authoritarian scale—more than twice as many as Democratic voters.

Political pollsters have missed this key component of Trump’s support because they simply don’t include questions about authoritarianism in their polls. In addition to the typical battery of demographic, horse race, thermometer-scale and policy questions, my poll asked a set of four simple survey questions that political scientists have employed since 1992 to measure inclination toward authoritarianism. These questions pertain to child-rearing: whether it is more important for the voter to have a child who is respectful or independent; obedient or self-reliant; well-behaved or considerate; and well-mannered or curious. Respondents who pick the first option in each of these questions are strongly authoritarian.

Based on these questions, Trump was the only candidate—Republican or Democrat—whose support among authoritarians was statistically significant.

So what does this mean for the election? It doesn’t just help us understand what motivates Trump’s backers—it suggests that his support isn’t capped. In a statistical analysis of the polling results, I found that Trump has already captured 43 percent of Republican primary voters who are strong authoritarians, and 37 percent of Republican authoritarians overall. A majority of Republican authoritarians in my poll also strongly supported Trump’s proposals to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, prohibit Muslims from entering the United States, shutter mosques and establish a nationwide database that track Muslims.

And in a general election, Trump’s strongman rhetoric will surely appeal to some of the 39 percent of independents in my poll who identify as authoritarians and the 17 percent of self-identified Democrats who are strong authoritarians.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533#ixzz3xdVQa5qX

After securing the Republican nomination, Trump moves to the left on social issues such as abortion and gay marriage, leaving Hillary/Bernie little to attack from that standpoint. Shmoozes the women with his speaking skills.  Stands firm on trade to bring in the Reagan Democrats. Continues to hammer home Immigration and National Security to throw some red meat to the base.

Easily takes Florida and Ohio. Also posts wins in New York, Jersey and Pennsylvania en route to a 42+ state victory.

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Re: Yes, Daddy.
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2016, 04:28:34 PM »
yeah, you may be very very accurate.   I've said all along, he wins or loses 40 states.

He may get in the general and just go too far.  He has said some sick shit... and it's teflon.  But it may not last forever... one bad day, he might just drop a racial slur or lose backing of major supporters... or some huge repubs may put $ behind the dem just to screw him. Who knows.

it'll be a massive win, or massive loss, and he'll face hilary (his wedding buddy) for it.   In the end, the libs should be happy, they'll get their agenda no matter who wins.  Trump is gonna spend, spend, spend.  Once anyone smacks him and he loses cool, he'll want to quit. 

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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2016, 04:46:37 PM »
yeah, you may be very very accurate.   I've said all along, he wins or loses 40 states.

He may get in the general and just go too far.  He has said some sick shit... and it's teflon.  But it may not last forever... one bad day, he might just drop a racial slur or lose backing of major supporters... or some huge repubs may put $ behind the dem just to screw him. Who knows.

it'll be a massive win, or massive loss, and he'll face hilary (his wedding buddy) for it.   In the end, the libs should be happy, they'll get their agenda no matter who wins.  Trump is gonna spend, spend, spend.  Once anyone smacks him and he loses cool, he'll want to quit.  

Not gonna happen bro... he's getting crisper and more polished with his message by the day.

Did you hear his 30 minute interview on Morning Joe today? Fucking flawless.

Completely neutralized Mika. Cut the nuts off of swarmy uber Liberal Mike Barnicle within seconds of Barnicle coming on stage to confront him.

Dealt with hecklers in the crowd with such craft that it had the hosts laughing and smiling with admiration.

Hillary is in for a rude awakening when she steps on stage with this guy. He is on a completely different level.

It still is an IF though because there is absolutely no quit in Ted Cruz.

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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2016, 05:07:38 PM »
I love cruz.  But the trump worshippers don't care about issues nor that cruz is a proven conservative.   They'd rather have a strong liberal leader, than a conventional conservative president.  The article is right. 

Trump can still implode.  My own belief is that he gift warps it for Hilary as per their plan.  The number one reason?  Trump is not going to spend age 71-75 at a Desk reading paperwork and stressing. 

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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2016, 09:08:52 AM »
I read a very interesting piece a few days back - it analyzed Trump support.  It transcends education, gender, even political beliefs.  People that don't care about politics are very much loving him.  The article made it clear he was winning the vote with the AUTHORITARIAN vote - the people who just like a STRONG LEADER, regardless of what that leader stands for.  The same way kids will obey a father figure who is a mess, but highly self-confident and driven, rather than a weak, indecisive dad who actually has good ideas.

Trump is winning the people who like to lean on a strong leader.  A father figure.  A dominant, powerful voice (no matter what he's saying).  It reassures them and make them feel like *someone* is in control of this rock flying thru space.  A wall is a sign of CONTROL... something they crave.  Trump is their daddy. They crave it and need it.

more true than ever.  :(

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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2016, 09:17:41 AM »
Lets be honest - for real - no bullshit - anyone who saw Trumps reaction to Hillarys' speech - he is mentally insane.  Look i want that criminal pos disgusting hag in prison for life, and will pull the level for Trump to do it - but the man is off his rocker. 

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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2016, 09:24:12 AM »
Lets be honest - for real - no bullshit - anyone who saw Trumps reaction to Hillarys' speech - he is mentally insane.  Look i want that criminal pos disgusting hag in prison for life, and will pull the level for Trump to do it - but the man is off his rocker. 

they're both unfit for office.   

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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2016, 10:04:22 AM »
I love cruz.  But the trump worshippers don't care about issues nor that cruz is a proven conservative.   They'd rather have a strong liberal leader, than a conventional conservative president.  The article is right. 

Trump can still implode.  My own belief is that he gift warps it for Hilary as per their plan.  The number one reason?  Trump is not going to spend age 71-75 at a Desk reading paperwork and stressing. 

lol  ::)

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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2016, 10:17:19 AM »
lol  ::)

you're coming at me today.   Yesterday you hinted at meth use.   You sure you want to bring up drug use?  I've let your clinton 92 vote go.  we can get rowdy if you want, but i was ready to let it go  :D

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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2016, 10:56:14 AM »
You don't need a study to see this

I think it would only work for Trump because he's being completely authentic.  When his challengers tried to act like him it just blew up in their face.  They couldn't do it because it wasn't who they really were

the way he's run his campaign is completely consistent with the way he's conducted himself throughout his entire life

It's totally consistent and authentic and it enabled him to the the dominant front runner from almost the first day he announced (remember he kicked it off by suggesting all mexican immigrants were rapists, criminals etc..)

From Day 1 he tapped into the disenfranchised, low information voter, looking for a charismatic father figure to tell them he's going to make everything all right again (i.e. make America great again)

He was out here in CA last week saying there was no drought and his idiot followers in the audience cheered enthusiastically after this blatantly false statement.   If anyone else did that they would have been laughed off the stage but somehow it works for Trump.

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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2016, 11:01:02 AM »
You don't need a study to see this


truth.   but the repub base is about 40% of these sad people.  Thus, Trump winning 44% of the vote and taking the nomination.   The majority of repubs actually voted against him.

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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2016, 11:46:55 AM »
truth.   but the repub base is about 40% of these sad people.  Thus, Trump winning 44% of the vote and taking the nomination.   The majority of repubs actually voted against him.

Try not to forget that you believe that Trump was planted Bill Clinton and he likely scripting every word out of Donalds mouth (I assume Bill sends him the next days script each night)

Don't worry though, remember you believe that Trump will likely "bow out" or accidentally say in a debate that Hillary would be the better POTUS

You believe this is all just a brilliant puppet show with Bill Clinton as the puppet master

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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2016, 12:23:23 PM »
Try not to forget that you believe that Trump was planted Bill Clinton and he likely scripting every word out of Donalds mouth (I assume Bill sends him the next days script each night)

Don't worry though, remember you believe that Trump will likely "bow out" or accidentally say in a debate that Hillary would be the better POTUS

You believe this is all just a brilliant puppet show with Bill Clinton as the puppet master

I sure was right about repubs picking him.   I'll be right about this. 

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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2016, 12:29:04 PM »
I sure was right about repubs picking him.   I'll be right about this. 

wasn't he leading every poll even before he announced ?

what month do you predict he will "bow out" (or rather when Bill Clinton will instruct him to bow out)

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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2016, 12:39:01 PM »
Lets be honest - for real - no bullshit - anyone who saw Trumps reaction to Hillarys' speech - he is mentally insane.  Look i want that criminal pos disgusting hag in prison for life, and will pull the level for Trump to do it - but the man is off his rocker. 

you certainly have a history of supporting crazies....like Palin.....Herman Cain....and now you admit you would vote for Trump

ODD...............

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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2016, 12:52:26 PM »
you certainly have a history of supporting crazies....like Palin.....Herman Cain....and now you admit you would vote for Trump

ODD...............

where did 333 say he would vote for Trump

The Libertarian ticket has two former Republican governors.  I don't see why they wouldnt' be an acceptable alternative, especially for a protest vote

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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2016, 12:55:46 PM »
where did 333 say he would vote for Trump

The Libertarian ticket has two former Republican governors.  I don't see why they wouldnt' be an acceptable alternative, especially for a protest vote


He said he would pull the lever for Trump just to get back at Hillary

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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2016, 01:15:45 PM »

He said he would pull the lever for Trump just to get back at Hillary

well I haven't seen all of his post

seems like libertarian ticket would have the same effect

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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2016, 01:43:46 PM »
I will vote for Trump under only 1 possible scenario as of now - only one.  That is if NY is in play and NYS electoral college votes matter in terms of keeping Hillary from POTUS.   

Otherwise - im either not voting or going for Johnson.  Trump is really insane and Hillary belongs in prison.  Trump though will have a better VP to take over after he is impeached so that is my basis.

But Hillcunt?   No FNG way. 

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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2016, 07:12:29 AM »
I will vote for Trump under only 1 possible scenario as of now - only one.  That is if NY is in play and NYS electoral college votes matter in terms of keeping Hillary from POTUS.   

Otherwise - im either not voting or going for Johnson.  Trump is really insane and Hillary belongs in prison.  Trump though will have a better VP to take over after he is impeached so that is my basis.

But Hillcunt?   No FNG way. 

I think you, just like me, would have voted for Trump because he is a New Yorker and it would be nice to have a New Yorker in the White House so that we New Yorkers can stop getting screwed by the Feds....but his insanity just makes it difficult to do so