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Popeye · « **on:** March 13, 2006, 09:33:47 PM »

I know you should have a glass of wine or two the night before and the day of competition to get some crazy vascularity, i was wondering if anybody has tried using something like Nitrix and doing like a double dose the last 2 days???

candidate2025 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 13, 2006, 10:24:55 PM »

aaaahhhh..never competed before. but be sure to have soemone take pictures and post em on here!!!!!

Arnold jr · « **Reply #2 on:** March 13, 2006, 10:33:39 PM »

Quote from: Popeye on March 13, 2006, 09:33:47 PM

I know you should have a glass of wine or two the night before and the day of competition to get some crazy vascularity, i was wondering if anybody has tried using something like Nitrix and doing like a double dose the last 2 days???

Screw the wine, just make sure your carb loading plan is on point, if you do this right and your bf% is low enough veins will stick out a great deal. What's your prep the last few days look like, water, carbs, and sodium? If vascularity is going to be a slight problem go with a shot of b-12 first thing in the morning before pre-judging, but if your bf is not low enough even this won't help.

Good luck to you!

Popeye · « **Reply #3 on:** March 14, 2006, 07:36:13 PM »

(Comps on a Sat.) Gonna probibly deplete carbs tues,wed,and thurs, then start to carb up fri. my sodium won't be high, never really is (don't use salt) water will stay moderate until thurs where then on out i will only sip a little here or there.

Arnold jr · « **Reply #4 on:** March 14, 2006, 08:28:31 PM »

Quote from: Popeye on March 14, 2006, 07:36:13 PM

(Comps on a Sat.) Gonna probibly deplete carbs tues,wed,and thurs, then start to carb up fri. my sodium won't be high, never really is (don't use salt) water will stay moderate until thurs where then on out i will only sip a little here or there.

define moderate? what's your bf at?

Popeye · « **Reply #5 on:** March 14, 2006, 08:56:07 PM »

well i'm gonna take in as much water as i can everyday up to tues, then cut back more and more wed (basically only enough to not feel thisty) My competition is on April 29th. i'm pretty lean and i'm guessing that my bodyfat is around 7-8% my abs are coming pretty good, muscles are full not flat, vascularity in arms (like always), but legs and abs startin up too.

Arnold jr · « **Reply #6 on:** March 14, 2006, 08:57:58 PM »

Quote from: Popeye on March 14, 2006, 08:56:07 PM

well i'm gonna take in as much water as i can everyday up to tues, then cut back more and more wed (basically only enough to not feel thisty) My competition is on April 29th. i'm pretty lean and i'm guessing that my bodyfat is around 7-8% my abs are coming pretty good, muscles are full not flat, vascularity in arms (like always), but legs and abs startin up too.

what is your class? novice, open and what weight division?

Popeye · « **Reply #7 on:** March 14, 2006, 09:08:44 PM »

I'm doing a level 1 open, i should hit the lightheavyweight division (176-198), i'm 5'7 189 from about 200. I've been training naturally (with the exception of andro and M1T) for about 8 years now, but i will probibly be one of the only non users there, but whatever

Arnold jr · « **Reply #8 on:** March 14, 2006, 09:22:22 PM »

Quote from: Popeye on March 14, 2006, 09:08:44 PM

I'm doing a level 1 open, i should hit the lightheavyweight division (176-198), i'm 5'7 189 from about 200. I've been training naturally (with the exception of andro and M1T) for about 8 years now, but i will probibly be one of the only non users there, but whatever

yeah you will be one of the only non-users.

Not knocking you bro, but if you are doing an open and your bf% is at 7%-8% I'm afraid that is going to be to high for you to be competitive...but the mirror is the true judge. If you are looking like you are on top of your game your bf may be lower then you think. Just remember in an open the top guys are all going to be below 5%bf

Popeye · « **Reply #9 on:** March 14, 2006, 09:28:58 PM »

But i still have to drop creatine, and take my dieretic the last couple days, so i guess we will see what happens

The BEAST · « **Reply #10 on:** March 15, 2006, 08:14:37 PM »

so you did decide to compete? Another thing to do is pop like 3-4 Ammunition atleast an hour before you step on stage and this should help with your vascularity. You better post some pics (or atleast send me some) after your show.

Popeye · « **Reply #11 on:** March 16, 2006, 01:44:00 PM »

For you, anything

But yeah i was gonna wait till the end of May and do that show but the weight division i was gonna be in was'nt open to me (176-198lbs, only level2) so i am gonna do the show on April 29th in that weight class and if i win that will give me the level 2 i need for may. Kinda insane but hopefully it will all be worth it in the end. About the ammuniton, if i do the wine thing, isn't mixing alcohol and NO boosters a no no

Popeye · « **Reply #12 on:** March 16, 2006, 08:15:54 PM »

The BEAST · « **Reply #13 on:** March 17, 2006, 10:12:29 AM »

I have never heard of any problems with mixing arginine and alcohol...if you know of a study please let me know. From everything I have read, both red wine and arginine will boost nitric oxide in the blood but I don't think the effect would be so great that it would be harmful. I mean, nuts, oats and dark chocolate also raise NO in the blood...

The thing I would be more worried about is stressing your body functions with alcohol the last days before the show. I know many bbers swear by red wine but I think there may be healthier alternatives because your body is in such a stressed state and adding alcohol to the mix may not be the best thing.

Whatever you decide, let me know how it goes...I am always looking on ways to improve my contest prep. Good luck.

Blockhead · « **Reply #14 on:** March 17, 2006, 10:49:09 AM »

Wassup, POPEYE!!!!

BlockHead is up in the hizouuuusse!!! Hey broother...you like Pride's protein powder? I compete...let me assist you, here...

I know guys who use alcohol to bring out vascularity. I never have personally...but it would depend on your condition and how you would respond to it. The theory is...alcohol will eliminate even more water because of the mild diuretic effect and the sugars in the wine will fill your blood/veins w/ glycogen hence...the skin tightening, vascular effect.

If you were to carb up properly...and not over do it maybe even slightly UNDERcarb up using a 'DRY CARB' such as plain boiled baked potatoes or dried fruit. Go with dried fruit FRIDAY before the show more towards the evening. That way the high fiber that comes with dried fruit will have a slight laxative effect flushing your colon out making the waist smaller and abs flatter. Go out get some GRAPEFRUIT juice and sip in it throughout all Friday(no more than 8oz total)...

Saturday morning before pre-judging...drink about 18oz of redwine. See what happens...it should work by theory. Doubling up on NO2 supplements??? Perhaps. Not a bad idea. I'd go with 50mg of Viagra. Viagra does everything these NO2 products are so trying to do. Viagra increases bloodflow like no other. STOP with the stupid "well, I dont want to pop a..." You wont...if nobody sexually turns you on so quit the shit. Or...I seen guys with bottle of KoolWhip...right before pre-judging suckout all the NO2 gas right out of the bottle...may make them feel tingly and lightheaded and even giggle but its a great way to quickly get NO2 in your blood.

One more thing...either you are vascular or you are not. Remember Paul Dillet? He was super vascular! I doubt he used N0 products...they werent around then...Jay Cutler isnt really vascular. Does Paul Dillet have more N0 running in his blood? Does Dillet have more arginine flowing in him more than Jay? No...its genetics. Bottom Line. Genetics. If you do have vascularity...then you can make them appear to be more profound...try the wine/viagra. It should work!

Popeye · « **Reply #15 on:** March 17, 2006, 10:52:51 PM »

Thanks for all the help everyone

lots of good advice

AMNIMAL · « **Reply #16 on:** March 19, 2006, 10:42:35 AM »

Quote from: Arnold jr on March 13, 2006, 10:33:39 PM

Screw the wine, just make sure your carb loading plan is on point, if you do this right and your bf% is low enough veins will stick out a great deal. What's your prep the last few days look like, water, carbs, and sodium? If vascularity is going to be a slight problem go with a shot of b-12 first thing in the morning before pre-judging, but if your bf is not low enough even this won't help.

Good luck to you!

Just curious what does B-12 do? I get down to around 4 or 5% bf for competition and eat reeses peanut butter cups to bring out the veins. It is something that I started off doing and worked so I stuck with it. I have seen guys take potassium trying to pull out water. Not sure if that works or not? Might be like the story from Arnolds Encyclopedia about the guy shoving M&M's up his O-ring. Ahahaha

Arnold jr · « **Reply #17 on:** March 19, 2006, 11:06:50 AM »

Quote from: AMNIMAL on March 19, 2006, 10:42:35 AM

Just curious what does B-12 do? I get down to around 4 or 5% bf for competition and eat reeses peanut butter cups to bring out the veins. It is something that I started off doing and worked so I stuck with it. I have seen guys take potassium trying to pull out water. Not sure if that works or not? Might be like the story from Arnolds Encyclopedia about the guy shoving M&M's up his O-ring. Ahahaha

B-12 increase RBC (red blood cells) count. Taking it orally does not have the same effect, because when taking oral b-12 your GI tract will prevent it from being absorbed efficiently. It is not taken in order to pull out more water but because of the increase in RBC it will help the veins pop out a bit more because of the increase in cells.

Popeye · « **Reply #18 on:** April 01, 2006, 12:30:11 AM »

Hey Arnold Jr. how soon before stage time should i take the B-12, and at what dose?

Arnold jr · « **Reply #19 on:** April 01, 2006, 07:46:56 AM »

Quote from: Popeye on April 01, 2006, 12:30:11 AM

Hey Arnold Jr. how soon before stage time should i take the B-12, and at what dose?

This should help out:

http://www.americanregent.com/PDF_F...Rev.%201-03.pdf

Popeye · « **Reply #20 on:** April 01, 2006, 08:00:55 AM »

Cool thanks, but how much for a bodybuilder $:-\$

Arnold jr · « **Reply #21 on:** April 01, 2006, 08:21:31 AM »

Quote from: Popeye on April 01, 2006, 08:00:55 AM

Cool thanks, but how much for a bodybuilder $:-\$

There is no set dose, so you're going to have to play with it...somewhere in the 250-1000mcg range. If you do only one dose makes sure it is no more then 4 hours before prejudging...2-3hrs before is preferable.

I would consider taking one injection Friday one Saturday before pre-judging for sure, and if it is important to you could do one before the night show, but that probably doesn't matter as much. And don't worry, you can not over-dose on B-12 so no worries there.

Popeye · « **Reply #22 on:** April 01, 2006, 08:32:53 AM »

Well i have a 10ml bottle so mutiple shots are do-able

like you say i think i will start Friday night, and again Saturday (but could start even sooner, are the effects fast acting)

Thanks again bro

Arnold jr · « **Reply #23 on:** April 01, 2006, 08:52:05 AM »

Quote from: Popeye on April 01, 2006, 08:32:53 AM

Well i have a 10ml bottle so mutiple shots are do-able like you say i think i will start Friday night, and again Saturday (but could start even sooner, are the effects fast acting)

Thanks again bro

Yeah, it is fast acting, very fast, you should notice it working within the first 2hrs or so. Remember though that after 8-9hrs it will be utterly worthless, that's just its nature.

Last off, I don't know for sure how well this will work for you, because like everything on this earth, especially in terms of the BB world, various substances and the like are individual dependent. What works for one may not work for another or it may just not work as well. But definitely give it a try, b-12 is in no way going to hurt you.

AMNIMAL · « **Reply #24 on:** April 06, 2006, 04:06:32 AM »

Quote from: Arnold jr on March 14, 2006, 08:57:58 PM

what is your class? novice, open and what weight division?

I was just piggy backing on this topic and trying to get a little more info from other folks. Right now I am about two and a half weeks out. I have competed 5 or six times before and always prepped pretty much the same way (which has worked ok up to this point) just wondering if I could do anything to improve on comp day. I will be competing in Lt. Heavy Wt. more than likely. Id say I'm around 5% bf at this point. My carbs are around 75 gm a day and I am doing 30 min cardio a day and will probly stick with this till the last couple of days. I usually start carb depleting sunday thru Tuesday and then begin gradually increase carbs till Sat while cutting the water intake back gradually till I am sipping only when thirsty on comp day (Saturday). Just wondering if I am depleting to early, dehydrating too soon etc? I am very vascular right now legs, abs even lats. Should I stick with what I know works or is there a better way?