For Hulkster - The 1994 Mr Olympia

[NarcissisticDeity]

You seem to think the 1994 Mr Olympia was a travisty on par with the 1980 Mr Olympia but after going through some of my magazines covering the contest nothing could be further than that , the general consenus is Yates won , he wasn't as good as 93 but good enough to win , and he should have NOT won the symmetry round with a perfect score .

quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded tthat in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "

quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "

quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 " Since he ( Ray ) was trailing Levrone by four points going into round 3 ( posing round ) Shawn was going to have to equal his showing of seven years ago ( Nationals win ) to have a chance of passing Levrone "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 " The battle was between Shawn and Kevin for second "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 former IFBB judge Roger Schwab " Yates is simply in another league. When he turns his back and flexes , he's the only man onstage. "

quote " Shawn Ray in a rout. He was better than ever. Any criticism is a stretch for a reporter to fill space. That such magnificence is litterally crushed by Yates is a sobering thought ."

[Special Ed]

All anyone ever talks about Yates is his back, back, back. Sure, he crushed all those guys from the rear, but c'mon, in his prime, Levrone absolutely CRUSHED Yates from the front. Yates had an ugly physique. If you thought he was the greatest you must be saddened by Heiko Kallbach's inability to crack the top 10.

Special "Earl1972" Ed

[Matt]

Hard to say ND.  You consider a gut to be an automatic failure while hulkster considered a torn biceps to be one.  Both stances are reasonable if you remain consistent.

Also ND, I would say that if you dislike guts, that Ronnie's gut in 2003 on stage was not as bad as Dorian's, especially in that Ronnie was upwards of 290 pounds that day.  If you wish to prove your argument using the opinions of industry experts, you would also have to agree that Ronnie won handily in 2003.  Flex Wheeler himself said that it was Ronnie's best ever showing.  Shawn Perrine of Flex magazine who normally favours Zane-like physiques agreed that Ronnie dominated that night as well.  It is very difficult to overlook that much dense muscle mass on a relatively small waist, even with some stomach distention present.  I say "some" because relative to his upper body mass, I didn't give it much thought.  Contrast this to Ronnie's showing at the 2001 Olympia where he was prancing down the stage sideways wearing his USA thong, arms in the air with his gut sticking out, and you will see what I mean when I say his 2003 distention was not much of an issue.

[GMCtrk]

Yates crushes levrone here on back double bi...

[Matt]

I would also say that Yates owned Levrone from the side as well.  But from the front, Levrone looked far better.  Yates did not have a pretty physique from the front, and that is where his flaws lay.

[myseone]

Yates crushes levrone here on back double bi...

I like Yates but in this shot kevin looks dominant
Bigger and more cut arms, shoulders
Deeper cuts in the interior of his back

Yates has fuller lats, fuller traps, and is drier,

[Stavios]

I just realise by that pic that Levrone's and cook's back are really look a like

[Borracho]

I'm really tired of you two arguing like little 12 year old school girls. I say you guys meet somewhere and fight till death. Otherwise, I think I'm gonna have to hunt you both down.

[Wiggs]

I like Yates but in this shot kevin looks dominant
Bigger and more cut arms, shoulders
Deeper cuts in the interior of his back

Yates has fuller lats, fuller traps, and is drier,

Yikes Dorian is getting own in that shot.  I don't remember Kevin looking that good.

[Hulkster]

You seem to think the 1994 Mr Olympia was a travisty on par with the 1980 Mr Olympia but after going through some of my magazines covering the contest nothing could be further than that , the general consenus is Yates won , he wasn't as good as 93 but good enough to win , and he should have NOT won the symmetry round with a perfect score .

quote Flex Jan 1995 " Let it be recorded tthat in the immediate aftermath of the contest , none of his closest rivals even hinted that Yates did not deserve to win . "

quote Shawn Ray Flex Jan 1995 " Tonight I feel I got what I deserved "

quote Flex Jan 1995 " As Yates , Levrone and Ray stood onstage , the reiging champ ( cognizant of 1992 ) told Levrone " Looks like it's you and me again " Mr Olympia got it wrong , and the booing deciblel dwarfed that accorded the Dillet announcement as Kevin Levrone was called out in third "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 " Since he ( Ray ) was trailing Levrone by four points going into round 3 ( posing round ) Shawn was going to have to equal his showing of seven years ago ( Nationals win ) to have a chance of passing Levrone "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 " The battle was between Shawn and Kevin for second "

quote Ironman Jan 1995 former IFBB judge Roger Schwab " Yates is simply in another league. When he turns his back and flexes , he's the only man onstage. "

quote " Shawn Ray in a rout. He was better than ever. Any criticism is a stretch for a reporter to fill space. That such magnificence is litterally crushed by Yates is a sobering thought ."

I have the muscle mag article that covers the contest and it goes to great lengths to convey not only the sense of total shock when Dorian won, but also with Lenda Murry (super-depleted and small) winning over a career best shape Laura Cravealle.

It also makes arguments for BOTH Shawn and Kevin beating Dorian that day, and given that Kevin vs Yates back shot, its not hard to see why.


horrible abs that year..

horrible back too - but then, given the kevin shot, we alread knew that.


yup, Yates should have won alright His midsection at 263 looked worse than Ronnie's at 296!!!!!


Arnold would be jeleous!!!


Yates was ripped to the bone that year


fantastic taper!!!!!

And then you have Shawn, who was not as tall, not as wide, but looked 34234 times better in every way:


 

When you take away Yates' razor sharp lower back, upper back, left biceps, abs, and then factor in all of yates normal flaws (arms, quads), add in a film of water, you have NO ARGUMENT left on how he could possibly win (other than lat width and body height - Mr. O's can't be short according to the judges), but that in itself is not enough, would you not agree?)

How can you love Dorian's cock that much not to see that he looked like CRAP that year?? (and shawn looked FANTASTIC)

Question for ND:

Given that you like Zane, Revees, Labrada, etc etc, how in the WORLD could you POSSIBLY favor Dorian that year over Shawn?

You are totally incosistent in your standards.

If you choose Dorian over ray in 1994, shouldn't you be campaining for Greg Kovacs to be the next Mr. O?  Afterall, he is a mass monster with a gut?

ps- some of your quotes may be refering to Yates in general, not specifically to the 1994 Olympia - eg. Yates back was soft and watery in 1994, but most other times, it is dry.

[alexxx]

I like Yates but in this shot kevin looks dominant
Bigger and more cut arms, shoulders
Deeper cuts in the interior of his back

Yates has fuller lats, fuller traps, and is drier,

Thats because he wasn't using esicline unlike somebody there..

[myseone]

In those pictures above it is apparent to me that Shawn should have won, at least in those pictures. Kevin should have placed second, and Yates 3rd (depending on who else competed).

History has shown that it is extremely unlikely that a crowned Olympian will be dethroned, despite a strong arguement for someone else.

Maybe the answer is to rotate the judges from contest to contest.

Also actually make the points in each round actually count.

 

[Hulkster]

I'm still waiting to know how anyone can favor the bloated, ugly, injured and flawed muscle that Dorian displayed that year over the high quality muscle that Shawn presented

just because shawn is relatively short compared to Dorian does not make up for the blatantly obvious difference in muscle quality.

1994 was not like Dorian's other years (although he was always vastly overrated).

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hulkster I know personally you don't think he should have won , but the whole point of this thread was you insist it just a big as a fiasco as the 1980 Mr Olympia and the general consensus was he was good enough to win

Shawn was atually behind Kevin he only edged him out durring the posing round and the most boos durring the contest is when Shawn placed ahead of Kevin

And personally I do tend to favor aesthetic bodybuilders and I do feel Flex could have beat Yates in 94 and I was routing for Flex in 93 but in my opinion Shawn was NEVER in the running I wanted Labrada to beat Haney in 1990 but you know what he didn't

[Hulkster]

ND, why do you think that Shawn was "never in the running"??

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, why do you think that Shawn was "never in the running"??

The last Mr Olympia winner 200 and under was Samir in 1983 , Shawn was too small , and his struture wasn't great but good , Labrada who has a better structure was again just to small , excellent bodybuilders but when compared to bigger bodybuilders they just look out of their leauge , I remember Shawn saying he was going to beat Haney and it was lughable he never stood a chance againt him or Yates or Coleman , Shawn has a LOT of admirable quailties to his phsyique but the old saying applies a good big man will always beat a good small one .

[Hulkster]

but the old saying applies a good big man will always beat a good small one .

but in 1994 a crappy big man beat a fantastic little man..

and you agree with it

[NarcissisticDeity]

but in 1994 a crappy big man beat a fantastic little man..

and you agree with it

In 1990 A subpar Haney beat a excellent Labrada , it wasn't the first time and it won't be the last , I wanted Flex to beat Yates it didn't happen

I think your just basing his apperence of some crappy pics , I watched the video his tan was sloppy durring the prejudging and he was having stomach cramps , durring the nightshow he fixed his tan and his stomach was a little tighter

What you fail to realize Shawn just barley beat Levrone nevermind Yates he was lucky to have placed that high.

[FREAKgeek]

Shawn ray lost because he was too short. Shorter stature guys historically never fare as well. That aside, the guy didn't have a single weak point. Maybe his quads and lat width could of been a bit better but that's splitting hairs. You can find a flaw in everyone, and every Mr. O has one. But, as critical as I am with every BBer, I always seem to be loss for words when it comes to criticising Ray's physique. If Shawn were 5' 10" with the same build he would of been Mr. O, IMO.

[dearth]

Coleman still has a disgusting GH belly.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Shawn ray lost because he was too short. Shorter stature guys historically never fare as well. That aside, the guy didn't have a single weak point. Maybe his quads and lat width could of been a bit better but that's splitting hairs. You can find a flaw in everyone, and every Mr. O has one. But, as critical as I am with every BBer, I always seem to be loss for words when it comes to criticising Ray's physique. If Shawn were 5' 10" with the same build he would of been Mr. O, IMO.

I agree and disagree , short guys tend to lose out to taller guys , however Shawn wouldn't have fair much better if he was taller he still would have been to light , perfect example Bob Paris who one of the heavier guys at the 1988 Mr Olympia at 222lbs at 6'0' and he always placed behind heavier guys and his structure was unmatched !!

[Hulkster]

Coleman still has a disgusting GH belly.

thanks for the tip, Rock And Roll Wild Child.

[Hulkster]

I agree and disagree , short guys tend to lose out to taller guys , however Shawn wouldn't have fair much better if he was taller he still would have been to light , perfect example Bob Paris who one of the heavier guys at the 1988 Mr Olympia at 222lbs at 6'0' and he always placed behind heavier guys and his structure was unmatched !!

okay, we all know that historically, tall guys do better.

But should they if the smaller competitor has them beat in most other ways?

eg. Shawn vs. Dorian, 1994
     Labrada vs. Haney, 1990
     there must be others but my brain is not working

[NarcissisticDeity]

okay, we all know that historically, tall guys do better.

But should they if the smaller competitor has them beat in most other ways?

eg. Shawn vs. Dorian, 1994
     Labrada vs. Haney, 1990
     there must be others but my brain is not working

Padilla got screwed as well but again so did Paris , its seems its height and then weight .

[hillbilly]

From the pics i'd say

shawn
dorian
kevin