Re: having kids....

[da_vinci]

I am in favor of eugenics, NOT unbridled multiplication, considering the lowest, most debased, stupid, perverted, and criminal bums have always multiplied at the expense and lack of safety of civic minded, law abiding people.

One of the reasons we now have an America with 30 million fucking people, many of them better off dead and put out of their misery and off our backs financially and socially, is because we have run wild with our technology and medical care and lib tard and over permissive legal system which these subhumans are not scared of! And the reason we have a world of seven billion people, most of them who cannot even care for themselves and uphold a civilization is because the United States and Europe have decided long ago to be the world's Santa Claus, feeding them, medicating them, clothing them, and teaching them to clean themselves after going to the bathroom.

No, I am not for unspecific population growth. With someone of your inherent intelligence and ability and energy, it is a shame you do not pass these qualities onto potential offspring. At first I thought you were just a Mike O'hearn jock grabber; now I think you're more than that.

Noone touches Mike, noone! He's an allmighty. If there is a god actually, it's Mike.
 Now regarding other thoughts - the irony is that the more intelligent a person is - the less urge to procreate, many just see that as an unethical action overall (given that life is not all roses). So the world is doomed, because stupid will outbreed smart. Well unless smart ones will constantly make stupid ones to jump each other throats................. ................oh wait, that's how it have been happening for centuries. Overall I get what are you saying, I just hardly can relate, because I just can't see life as something serious no matter how hard I try. Often it just makes me laugh, laught of the absurdity, comedy that surrounds us. If this is serious matter afterall (and I'm a clueless one) and god is watching, well fukk me, MOS will be able to point fingers from above.

[BBSSchlemiel]

Noone touches Mike, noone! He's an allmighty. If there is a god actually, it's Mike.
 Now regarding other thoughts - the irony is that the more intelligent a person is - the less urge to procreate, many just see that as an unethical action overall (given that life is not all roses). So the world is doomed, because stupid will outbreed smart. Well unless smart ones will constantly make stupid ones to jump each other throats................. ................oh wait, that's how it have been happening for centuries. Overall I get what are you saying, I just hardly can relate, because I just can't see life as something serious no matter how hard I try. Often it just makes me laugh, laught of the absurdity, comedy that surrounds us. If this is serious matter afterall (and I'm a clueless one) and god is watching, well fukk me, MOS will be able to point fingers from above.

Dude, I am asking this in all seriousness. Did you grow up privileged, to rich parents? I've noticed that those who I've met who were born privileged are also the only ones I know who gloat, "life is not so serious," or have this all-over-the-place, wackjob outlook on everything, as if only an immediate threat such as a gun to their faces would  make them act serious in a conversation. Maybe that's why you love Mike, because he is always "on". It seems almost sociopathic.

[Radical Plato]

Lol, same here, I love to work at night too, but after a while it takes its toll so I try not to abuse that. And walking/riding at night is nice because its not too hot when summer. Regarding drugs Im not an addictive type at all so Im not afraid of that, what is important to me is that my mind would work as effective as possible, I need it for work, and generally Im a performance freak, have an obsession about optimising everythong for best performance, that and Id not be too happy if drugs would affect my generally positive mindset and mood in every day life. You know...the neurotransmitters, etc.. But I will def try some acid, and if I like it, it may be something like once a year special occasion. Im sure that moderate use is not an issue with most of these substances, but Im just overall not too much into it. Now listening music while high, thats tempting as hell. Most ppl around me are rollin molly when Im out.

You know what, if you are the creative type, LSD will improve your mental abilities, but this is dose dependent, take too much and trip city here we come.  There is also a new trend in certain fields called microdosing, where you take far smaller amounts of the drug to get a slight elevation and the creative enhancement without any of the hallucinations or visual disturbances.  Another area they are starting to use it in is in terminally ill people, they have had marvelous results using LSD in helping them overcome their fear of death. 

And yeah, I take a couple of tabs on my own at home and listen to some music for several hours and it's sublime.  I then pick up my guitar and I am flowing like a river, nice and loose they way an artist should be, I find I really lose my inhibitions, start stamping my feet, swaying my head and generally not giving a fuck, which always makes for a better session.  I am 43 in a couple of days mind you, and only started with the LSD mid last year, so had it half a dozen times, I wish I could have got hold of it when younger, but didn't now how to get it, now that I do it has become something I look forward to doing now and again. And because LSD use develops an immediate tolerance that dissipates over the coming weeks it isn't a drug I could use addictively, nor would I want to, throwing it into the mix now and again really shakes me about and gives me renewed vigour for the coming weeks.

[da_vinci]

Dude, I am asking this in all seriousness. Did you grow up privileged, to rich parents? I've noticed that those who I've met who were born privileged are also the only ones I know who gloat, "life is not so serious," or have this all-over-the-place, wackjob outlook on everything, as if only an immediate threat such as a gun to their faces would  make them act serious in a conversation. Maybe that's why you love Mike, because he is always "on". It seems almost sociopathic.

Not privileged at all, but I grew up among strong individuals overall. What you call "wackjob outlook" is what many famous thinkers were talking many centuries ago. If someone would convince me that life actually IS serious - I'd change my stance in a blink of an eye. So far - the more I've been thinking/watching, the less serious it appears to be. Honestly - I cant take serious something that will be over relatively soon, and that haven't even existed (for me) not too long ago, and something that is a pure comedy and absurd in-between that. I'm lucky, it's a fun ride and all that, while it's fun I enjoy it, for some it's may be a sad ride, whatever, when it's not fun anymore - bye bye, it was a pleasure, but time to go.  I simply can't relate to some of that what you say, sorry (probably too different experiences/influences/enviroments/etc)...
 In front of a threat I would act like I'm programmed to act - fight or fly. We are all robots, just some more aware about that than other. Maybe that's why some stop reproducing (a self destruction, to keep other robots unaware, to keep "it" going).

[da_vinci]

You know what, if you are the creative type, LSD will improve your mental abilities, but this is dose dependent, take too much and trip city here we come.  There is also a new trend in certain fields called microdosing, where you take far smaller amounts of the drug to get a slight elevation and the creative enhancement without any of the hallucinations or visual disturbances.  Another area they are starting to use it in is in terminally ill people, they have had marvelous results using LSD in helping them overcome their fear of death.  

And yeah, I take a couple of tabs on my own at home and listen to some music for several hours and it's sublime.  I then pick up my guitar and I am flowing like a river, nice and loose they way an artist should be, I find I really lose my inhibitions, start stamping my feet, swaying my head and generally not giving a fuck, which always makes for a better session.  I am 43 in a couple of days mind you, and only started with the LSD mid last year, so had it half a dozen times, I wish I could have got hold of it when younger, but didn't now how to get it, now that I do it has become something I look forward to doing now and again. And because LSD use develops an immediate tolerance that dissipates over the coming weeks it isn't a drug I could use addictively, nor would I want to, throwing it into the mix now and again really shakes me about and gives me renewed vigour for the coming weeks.

Sounds pretty great actually, and I've red about the microdosing. I've been into nootropics for quite some time so it's interesting. I will try it in summer, at some very cozy place with a few of my good friends and some awesome music.
 Using these drugs for terminally ill is a great idea either. I think if I live to an age/stage where I won't want to live anymore - I'll take some of that before going lights out. Tho' it may turn out that I will feel too good to do that while high   Hell, even Jobbs experimented with LSD.
 I tried to smoke weed a few times. One was succesfull, I went home from a party on foot, it was kind of a chilly night, but I caught myself that I'm constantly looking around and the streets that I used to walk for lots of time suddenly started looking kind of ... "miraclous", like enhanced with PS lol.. after a few mins I realized that THC is still working. I can totally get why some ppl get hooked on it - if reality is tough, you can really feel at ease and well after a joint.

[Raymondo]

After a time of persistence I then said that marrying and raising a family in accordance with God is the best approach.  

Not true.

Children raised in non-religious families are more generous, while children raised in religious families are more judgmental (quelle surpise)

[Grape Ape]

the irony is that the more intelligent a person is - the less urge to procreate, many just see that as an unethical action overall (given that life is not all roses).

I'll have to ask the multiple Harvard and MIT grads I work with if who have kids if they finished in the bottom of their classes....oh should I just assume so?

[da_vinci]

I'll have to ask the multiple Harvard and MIT grads I work with if who have kids if they finished in the bottom of their classes....oh should I just assume so?

The general tendency is like that. Just look at white people dissapearig, while less intelligent third worlders procreate like cockroaches. There ecists plenty of data on that matter, but it's enough to have common sense to understand.

[OB1]

So far - the more I've been thinking/watching, the less serious it appears to be. Honestly - I cant take serious something that will be over relatively soon, and that haven't even existed (for me) not too long ago, and something that is a pure comedy and absurd in-between that.

It is all illusion.

[da_vinci]

It is all illusion.

Exactly. No begining and no end actually, just a very limited computer that thinks it's something "separate" from "everything".

[OB1]

Exactly. No begining and no end actually, just a very limited computer that thinks it's something "separate" from "everything".

Yes.

[Howard]

I'll have to ask the multiple Harvard and MIT grads I work with if who have kids if they finished in the bottom of their classes....oh should I just assume so?

I never got past the 8th grade in school and did the world a favor by not having kids.
The last thing the world needs is bunch of lil' meatheads with my brain running around 

[Howard]

I stand by my words 100%.   People will read into my words whatever they want regardless of my intention.

Based on the words of some in reference to why they don't want children I support that decision.   They should not have children...they aren't parent material and children deserve and need better parents.

The atheist bunch are playing up this "condescension" angle nonsense because yesterday Raymondo posted randomly on the religion board.  I initially replied to him because most atheists that try to argue with me on the G&O often follow that up with their first religion board post.  I told him I expected as much, decided it read to harsh, changed it, indicated as much and that was that.  They're taking that bit of nothing and attempting to make something out of it....that's it.

MOS, in my opinion,  you are the perfect kind of seriously religious person.

1. You stand for something and don't waiver on your principles.

2. You are willing to debate the topic without resorting to silly insults.

3. Unlike extreme crazy zealots ( like ISIS) , you are reasonable and don't require everyone to believe as you.

Any time a man has clear , proud beliefs ;naysayers will attempt to change him for their own reasons.

[Howard]

Noone touches Mike, noone! He's an allmighty. If there is a god actually, it's Mike.
 Now regarding other thoughts - the irony is that the more intelligent a person is - the less urge to procreate, many just see that as an unethical action overall (given that life is not all roses). So the world is doomed, because stupid will outbreed smart. Well unless smart ones will constantly make stupid ones to jump each other throats................. ................oh wait, that's how it have been happening for centuries. Overall I get what are you saying, I just hardly can relate, because I just can't see life as something serious no matter how hard I try. Often it just makes me laugh, laught of the absurdity, comedy that surrounds us. If this is serious matter afterall (and I'm a clueless one) and god is watching, well fukk me, MOS will be able to point fingers from above.

I think it all evens out. Think about like this:

For every kid I DON'T have, the avg human IQ goes up a bit 

Hmmmm, BUT, if Jason Genova becomes a "baby daddy" ... 

[Man of Steel]

MOS, in my opinion,  you are the perfect kind of seriously religious person.

1. You stand for something and don't waiver on your principles.

2. You are willing to debate the topic without resorting to silly insults.

3. Unlike extreme crazy zealots ( like ISIS) , you are reasonable and don't require everyone to believe as you.

Any time a man has clear , proud beliefs ;naysayers will attempt to change him for their own reasons.

I appreciate that and I feel the same about you.  Level headed man, sticks to his guns, solid sense of humor and humble enough to admit his faults...it's a good combination of traits.   I also realize I owe you some responses to your earlier thread comments.

For me personally, I'm not ashamed of Jesus Christ, I'm not ashamed to call myself a believer.  Further, I'm just not ashamed of scripture, I believe it cover to cover and I have zero fear of objections to it.  Doesn't mean I always have immediate answers, but I'm not afraid to tell folks, "I don't know, but I'll seek an answer."

You are correct that when folks remain steadfast in something they hold dear and represent it confidently there are always other folks that want to tear them down.  Some seek to tear down for entertainment, some for principle, but most do it out of ignorance.  It's why some folks search every nook and cranny of my posts to find fault and weakness so they can attempt to build a case against my witness for Christ.   Some desperately try to take real disciples of Christ and find a way to throw them into the bucket of religious hypocrites.  

It's unfortunate how large the population of the ignorant are and the irony of the absolute truths they espouse (I already know the response to this sentence).  They understand nothing of God and yet proclaim absolute truths about him that contradict his reality completely.  If I fly off the handle, utter a curse word at these folks or threaten them then I lose my witness for Christ and help publically validate their ignorant argument.

[Howard]

I appreciate that and I feel the same about you.  Level headed man, sticks to his guns, solid sense of humor and humble enough to admit his faults...it's a good combination of traits.   I also realize I owe you some responses to your earlier thread comments.

For me personally, I'm not ashamed of Jesus Christ, I'm not ashamed to call myself a believer.  Further, I'm just not ashamed of scripture, I believe it cover to cover and I have zero fear of objections to it.  Doesn't mean I always have immediate answers, but I'm not afraid to tell folks, "I don't know, but I'll seek an answer."

You are correct that when folks remain steadfast in something they hold dear and represent it confidently there are always other folks that want to tear them down.  Some seek to tear down for entertainment, some for principle, but most do it out of ignorance.  It's why some folks search every nook and cranny of my posts to find fault and weakness so they can attempt to build a case against my witness for Christ.   Some desperately try to take real disciples of Christ and find a way to throw them into the bucket of religious hypocrites.  

It's unfortunate how large the population of the ignorant are and the irony of the absolute truths they espouse (I already know the response to this sentence).  They understand nothing of God and yet proclaim absolute truths about him that contradict his reality completely.  If I fly off the handle, utter a curse word at these folks or threaten them then I lose my witness for Christ and help publically validate their ignorant argument.

For me, the basic moral teachings of Jesus are valuable wisdom, regardless of his status as the "son of GOD".
That comes down to faith and the final answer is above my pay grade anyway.

In fact, I'll bet we share a lot of common moral beliefs and ethics .

I understand your particular faith requires you to accept a divine Jesus as your personal lord and savior.
I also realize that devote Christians fear I will go to hell , without that specific belief, despite how decent a life I lead.

For me, it's NOT wrong to follow a faith you believe in. For example, I do believe in an omnipotent GOD.
BUT, to me it's sad, that a decent man of faith can still be damned to hell if they don't accept Jesus.
To me, that reeks of promoting the religious ORGANIZATION. Ya know, like being a member of the club  
I honestly don't think GOD works that way. He's much fairer with how HE runs the rest of the universe.
In the end, it's not my call and that's what keeps my own ego in check.

Thanks for the reply and all the best to you and your family in 2016.

PS/Maybe we'll meet up at a contest or expo in the future.
It would be an honor to meet you in person.

[Radical Plato]

I never got past the 8th grade in school and did the world a favor by not having kids.
The last thing the world needs is bunch of lil' meatheads with my brain running around 

Agreed.

[Raymondo]

Agreed.

Do you agree that forcing religious opinions on children is a form of child abuse?

[OB1]

Do you agree that forcing religious opinions on children is a form of child abuse?

I would agree on that.

[Raymondo]

I would agree on that.

Forcing a worldview on a child should be a crime.

[Radical Plato]

Do you agree that forcing religious opinions on children is a form of child abuse?

Yes, I think I said as much in an earlier post in this thread.  It is shown to destroy a child's ability to think critically later in life, an essential skill used to lead a truly rewarding and fulfilling existence.  The alternative is to lock the poor soul into a life of frustration and cognitive dissonance caused by their fantasies constantly clashing with reality.

[Man of Steel]

AHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!  Just a bunch of little religion trolls.  Have your fun, get your reward. 

[OB1]

AHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!  Just a bunch of little religion trolls.  Have your fun, get your reward. 

Meltdown.

[Man of Steel]

Meltdown.

....get your reward

[SF1900]

Meltdown.