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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #125 on: February 06, 2016, 06:55:20 AM »
Thread has taken a dark turn.

My fellow iron brothers! There is always being jacked and getting pussy! Eventually, you may find a good woman and settle down. Be a good husband and father and friend and neighbor.

And someday, you may find yourself helping another who is thinking dark thoughts and bring them into the light.

I agree.

I'm on the up. Finally able to keep meals down and to go outside. Being confined to staying indoors or in bed for several days surely messes up ones' psyche.
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« Reply #126 on: February 06, 2016, 07:08:17 AM »


  :D

Someone should commit this kind of a suicide and take a go pro vid of it. Would get mad amount of views on YT.

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« Reply #127 on: February 06, 2016, 07:35:09 AM »
"There is but one truly serious philosophical problem and that is suicide." Camus
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« Reply #128 on: February 06, 2016, 02:37:43 PM »
genetics might contribute to this sometimes. Hemingway and several of his immediate family members killed themselves.

my english teacher said this was a "tragedy which would not happen today", and went on to talk about how he should have been on antidepressants.

i always wonder what makes some people so quick to recommend antidepressants, while some revile them so much.  especially since, as far as i know, many of the people i hear opinions from haven't ever taken them (myself included).

my own parents have implied "depression runs in our family" and asked me to use antidepressants, which is about the extend of my "experience" with this subject.  however, i can't help my suspicion.  i think the "genetic tendency to depression" really just means "the intelligent person's tendency to depression".  in my view, most people live in circumstances I find depressing -- only the privileged few don't.  however, lots of people who live in circumstances that would depress me seem a lot less concerned than i would be.  i'm not trying to sound arrogant, but these people tend to come off as simpletons who are satisfied with little.  on the other hand, a lot of the more "complex" people i know (whether directly, as friends, or famed thinkers from books, etc.) have a lot of trouble with things that simply don't matter to most people.

maybe "intelligence" is the wrong word, or at least overly general.  to be more specific, i think introspective people who develop strong concepts (in general) and a strong self-image (in particular) can be prone to "depression".  you begin forming your self-image, or identity, as a child, when you don't know much about the world.  as an adult, this image eventually comes into question as you begin to learn that you were wrong about yourself.  reshaping your identity as an adult can be very difficult: an athlete who can no longer compete at the highest levels, an artist whose works go unrecognized, an aspiring lawyer who can't get into law school, a "surgeon" with an unsteady hand, etc.  these people often build their life around what they wish they were, rather than what they are.

less introspective people, or people who had a more accurate view of themselves as a child, don't run into this problem, and can just "go with the flow".  in other words, if you never thought much of yourself (the "simpletons" i referred to earlier) or if you really do achieve your goals (e.g. the "privileged few" i mentioned earlier), you'll probably appear "happy" to others.  if you're a failed "X" who, to survive, trudges on as a half-hearted "Y", you'll appear depressed.  to bring this back to "genetics", the latter requires you strongly to perceive yourself as an "X".  to develop a strong self-concept requires more intelligence, i think, a trait which is largely "genetic".

after all, are many animals depressed?  from all appearances, "no", and they don't seem to be particularly "self-aware".  similarly, "depression" seems to be most diagnosed amongst more affluent populations -- is this an artifact of "other interests" (e.g. medical industry), or is there really something to the image of the "simple, satisfied peasant"?

to expand on the last question a little, is it any wonder that so many people in the US, in particular, are diagnosed with "depression" when they flip burgers by day and stuff their brains with idealized images of the "rich and famous" on their computers by night?  the fact is, few have the ability to rise to the top, but nearly everyone has the ability to measure themselves against the successes of others, which are made ubiquitous through the internet, etc.

i'm sure some of you will find this post dripping with ignorance and first-world pussification, and i won't necessarily disagree... again, these thoughts are only based on some recent experiences.  i'm sure there are many ways to link genes and depression, this is just the explanation that seems most important to me, and as a consequence of my reasoning above, i'm a little wary of those who further conclude, "well if your depression is caused by your genes, your genes are the problem.  antidepressants are the solution."

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #129 on: February 06, 2016, 02:47:31 PM »
cephissus> Just put aside everything else except survival. Yes, animals does feel depressed...not al, but... weak ones. If their survival is at stake. Pretty much every single depressed person that I've met was actually feeling weak "at life", or at a particular sphere of life, like they can't take control of it. Very few may have fucked brain structure and weird patterns of neurotransmitters working, but that usualy has it's roots in earlier life too.
 I've yet to see a atrong individual who feels like he/she has a balance in their life (so the chances of their survival are high) who are depressed. Depressive state is a way for the brain to send a signal that something must be done to change that state, like - .... increasing chances of survival (finding a job, a mate, maybe even friends for some, losing weight, etc....).

Feeling down here and there is normal and even beneficial, depression is when "down" becomes a daily occurence, thus - when a person feels not controlling life or some field of it daily.

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« Reply #130 on: February 06, 2016, 03:08:00 PM »
cephissus> Just put aside everything else except survival. Yes, animals does feel depressed...not al, but... weak ones. If their survival is at stake. Pretty much every single depressed person that I've met was actually feeling weak "at life", or at a particular sphere of life, like they can't take control of it. Very few may have fucked brain structure and weird patterns of neurotransmitters working, but that usualy has it's roots in earlier life too.
 I've yet to see a atrong individual who feels like he/she has a balance in their life (so the chances of their survival are high) who are depressed. Depressive state is a way for the brain to send a signal that something must be done to change that state, like - .... increasing chances of survival (finding a job, a mate, maybe even friends for some, losing weight, etc....).

Feeling down here and there is normal and even beneficial, depression is when "down" becomes a daily occurence, thus - when a person feels not controlling life or some field of it daily.

i agree with all of this.  i even said something similar to the bolded part earlier in the thread.

it's easy to connect your post to mine, as well.  if you're the kind of person who develops a strong self-image, part of that image probably predicates your strength on an above-average intelligence.  when you begin to doubt yourself, everything comes into question.  you no longer feel smart, you feel overwhelmed with doubt and -- very weak.

the less intelligent you are, the less your feeling of strength derives from your thoughts and beliefs, which are very fickle.  the simpler you are, the less you question your conceptions.  i'm sure we've all met someone who seems overly-confident because they are too thick to see the perils around them.  it's even a cliche, "ignorance is bliss".

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« Reply #131 on: February 06, 2016, 03:40:00 PM »
i agree with all of this.  i even said something similar to the bolded part earlier in the thread.

it's easy to connect your post to mine, as well.  if you're the kind of person who develops a strong self-image, part of that image probably predicates your strength on an above-average intelligence.  when you begin to doubt yourself, everything comes into question.  you no longer feel smart, you feel overwhelmed with doubt and -- very weak.

the less intelligent you are, the less your feeling of strength derives from your thoughts and beliefs, which are very fickle.  the simpler you are, the less you question your conceptions.  i'm sure we've all met someone who seems overly-confident because they are too thick to see the perils around them.  it's even a cliche, "ignorance is bliss".

Well you have a good idea, I'd add that - these who happened to be not very bright, BUT lucky (to be born in a good place, raised by good parents, etc..). Pretty much a somewhat clever individual, but not overly clever, with an instinctive mind. These are probably the "happiest", very rare tho, most stupid ppl are miserable and weak most of the time.

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« Reply #132 on: February 06, 2016, 03:43:00 PM »
my english teacher said this was a "tragedy which would not happen today", and went on to talk about how he should have been on antidepressants.

i always wonder what makes some people so quick to recommend antidepressants, while some revile them so much.  especially since, as far as i know, many of the people i hear opinions from haven't ever taken them (myself included).

my own parents have implied "depression runs in our family" and asked me to use antidepressants, which is about the extend of my "experience" with this subject.  however, i can't help my suspicion.  i think the "genetic tendency to depression" really just means "the intelligent person's tendency to depression".  in my view, most people live in circumstances I find depressing -- only the privileged few don't.  however, lots of people who live in circumstances that would depress me seem a lot less concerned than i would be.  i'm not trying to sound arrogant, but these people tend to come off as simpletons who are satisfied with little.  on the other hand, a lot of the more "complex" people i know (whether directly, as friends, or famed thinkers from books, etc.) have a lot of trouble with things that simply don't matter to most people.

maybe "intelligence" is the wrong word, or at least overly general.  to be more specific, i think introspective people who develop strong concepts (in general) and a strong self-image (in particular) can be prone to "depression".  you begin forming your self-image, or identity, as a child, when you don't know much about the world.  as an adult, this image eventually comes into question as you begin to learn that you were wrong about yourself.  reshaping your identity as an adult can be very difficult: an athlete who can no longer compete at the highest levels, an artist whose works go unrecognized, an aspiring lawyer who can't get into law school, a "surgeon" with an unsteady hand, etc.  these people often build their life around what they wish they were, rather than what they are.

less introspective people, or people who had a more accurate view of themselves as a child, don't run into this problem, and can just "go with the flow".  in other words, if you never thought much of yourself (the "simpletons" i referred to earlier) or if you really do achieve your goals (e.g. the "privileged few" i mentioned earlier), you'll probably appear "happy" to others.  if you're a failed "X" who, to survive, trudges on as a half-hearted "Y", you'll appear depressed.  to bring this back to "genetics", the latter requires you strongly to perceive yourself as an "X".  to develop a strong self-concept requires more intelligence, i think, a trait which is largely "genetic".

after all, are many animals depressed?  from all appearances, "no", and they don't seem to be particularly "self-aware".  similarly, "depression" seems to be most diagnosed amongst more affluent populations -- is this an artifact of "other interests" (e.g. medical industry), or is there really something to the image of the "simple, satisfied peasant"?

to expand on the last question a little, is it any wonder that so many people in the US, in particular, are diagnosed with "depression" when they flip burgers by day and stuff their brains with idealized images of the "rich and famous" on their computers by night?  the fact is, few have the ability to rise to the top, but nearly everyone has the ability to measure themselves against the successes of others, which are made ubiquitous through the internet, etc.

i'm sure some of you will find this post dripping with ignorance and first-world pussification, and i won't necessarily disagree... again, these thoughts are only based on some recent experiences.  i'm sure there are many ways to link genes and depression, this is just the explanation that seems most important to me, and as a consequence of my reasoning above, i'm a little wary of those who further conclude, "well if your depression is caused by your genes, your genes are the problem.  antidepressants are the solution."

it is also important to note that suicides are often linked to external causes such as the rise of the 2008+ financial crisis and the subsequent number of people leaving their jobs and e.g. being evicted from homes. You can see how the American statistic spikes after 2008:





I am too lazy right now to back this claim up with sources, but I know it is true and it can easily be verified by a search on Google (Scholar).

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« Reply #133 on: February 06, 2016, 04:04:03 PM »
it is also important to note that suicides are often linked to external causes such as the rise of the 2008+ financial crisis and the subsequent number of people leaving their jobs and e.g. being evicted from homes. You can see how the American statistic spikes after 2008:





I am too lazy right now to back this claim up with sources, but I know it is true and it can easily be verified by a search on Google (Scholar).

No job = no money = less chances of survival = feeling bad = depressed = suicide................. ..........win?

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« Reply #134 on: February 06, 2016, 04:30:03 PM »
No job = no money = less chances of survival = feeling bad = depressed = suicide................. ..........win?

yeah pretty much

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #135 on: February 06, 2016, 05:03:09 PM »
it is also important to note that suicides are often linked to external causes such as the rise of the 2008+ financial crisis and the subsequent number of people leaving their jobs and e.g. being evicted from homes. You can see how the American statistic spikes after 2008:





I am too lazy right now to back this claim up with sources, but I know it is true and it can easily be verified by a search on Google (Scholar).

yep, and yet everyone should be happy, right?  if you aren't "functioning normally", take some antidepressants...

like i said before (along with da_vinci and probably others, too), depression is often healthy.  if your life sucks and you can recognize that, you SHOULD be depressed -- these feelings will compel you to change.  if your life sucks and you decide to take drugs to feel better, if you become obsessed with feelings in themselves (forgetting their connection to "reality") then you've lost it.  this is drug abuse, in my opinion.

by the same token, i'd say antidepressants and drugs CAN be helpful -- for people whose feelings are "malfunctioning".  to invert my previous statement, "if your life doesn't suck but you think it does, you SHOULDN'T be depressed".  if this describes someone, drugs may be "appropriate" for them.  and maybe this "malfunction" has a clear (yet to be discovered, of course) genetic cause.  who knows...

but anyway, who is to judge whether one's life sucks or not... is there an "objective criteria"?  personally, i think it's "power".  more power means more control (and, in da_vinci's terms, ensured survival).

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #136 on: February 06, 2016, 05:06:14 PM »
OP – kill yourself, f aggot.


it was a bit of a fart in the face, to know that my personal contest plans, sounded a lot less exciting then the guys who went for the nationals.

You too, dickhead.

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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #137 on: February 06, 2016, 05:09:40 PM »



What's your purpose in life? What makes you tick?

My family.

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« Reply #138 on: February 06, 2016, 05:39:07 PM »
Bertrand Russells quote on life is awe-inspiring.

Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind. These passions, like great winds, have blown me hither and thither, in a wayward course, over a great ocean of anguish, reaching to the very verge of despair.

 I have sought love, first, because it brings ecstasy - ecstasy so great that I would often have sacrificed all the rest of life for a few hours of this joy. I have sought it, next, because it relieves loneliness--that terrible loneliness in which one shivering consciousness looks over the rim of the world into the cold unfathomable lifeless abyss. I have sought it finally, because in the union of love I have seen, in a mystic miniature, the prefiguring vision of the heaven that saints and poets have imagined. This is what I sought, and though it might seem too good for human life, this is what--at last--I have found.

With equal passion I have sought knowledge. I have wished to understand the hearts of men. I have wished to know why the stars shine. And I have tried to apprehend the Pythagorean power by which number holds sway above the flux. A little of this, but not much, I have achieved.

 Love and knowledge, so far as they were possible, led upward toward the heavens. But always pity brought me back to earth. Echoes of cries of pain reverberate in my heart. Children in famine, victims tortured by oppressors, helpless old people a burden to their sons, and the whole world of loneliness, poverty, and pain make a mockery of what human life should be. I long to alleviate this evil, but I cannot, and I too suffer.

 This has been my life. I have found it worth living, and would gladly live it again if the chance were offered me.
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« Reply #139 on: February 06, 2016, 05:43:21 PM »
Bertrand Russells quote on life is awe-inspiring.

Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind. These passions, like great winds, have blown me hither and thither, in a wayward course, over a great ocean of anguish, reaching to the very verge of despair.

 I have sought love, first, because it brings ecstasy - ecstasy so great that I would often have sacrificed all the rest of life for a few hours of this joy. I have sought it, next, because it relieves loneliness--that terrible loneliness in which one shivering consciousness looks over the rim of the world into the cold unfathomable lifeless abyss. I have sought it finally, because in the union of love I have seen, in a mystic miniature, the prefiguring vision of the heaven that saints and poets have imagined. This is what I sought, and though it might seem too good for human life, this is what--at last--I have found.

With equal passion I have sought knowledge. I have wished to understand the hearts of men. I have wished to know why the stars shine. And I have tried to apprehend the Pythagorean power by which number holds sway above the flux. A little of this, but not much, I have achieved.

 Love and knowledge, so far as they were possible, led upward toward the heavens. But always pity brought me back to earth. Echoes of cries of pain reverberate in my heart. Children in famine, victims tortured by oppressors, helpless old people a burden to their sons, and the whole world of loneliness, poverty, and pain make a mockery of what human life should be. I long to alleviate this evil, but I cannot, and I too suffer.

 This has been my life. I have found it worth living, and would gladly live it again if the chance were offered me.

I like James Watson's outlook better.


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Re: This continuous rat-race.
« Reply #140 on: February 07, 2016, 01:52:55 AM »
OP – kill yourself, f aggot.


You too, dickhead.

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« Reply #141 on: February 11, 2016, 01:34:50 AM »
I don't believe that something can always have existed. It seems illogical, like trying to imagine an infinite universe or even a finite one for that instance.

Yes, you speak precisely. You don't "believe"..... It's those that claim that they "know" that I have an issue with.

I don't believe something just appears out of nowhere. The universe had a beginning. If it didn't just appear out of nowhere then it had to have had a creator, a "First Mover". And because I believe that God is transcendent the laws of nature and logic don't apply.

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« Reply #142 on: February 11, 2016, 01:36:34 AM »
I've been very depressed at times; I can totally understand how someone would want to kill themselves.

You don't have to be depress to want to kill yourself. In fact, it can be a very rational, well thought out act given your alternatives.

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« Reply #143 on: February 11, 2016, 01:42:38 AM »
I think it's pretty much "proven" that universe has always existed. I mean - you can't destroy information OR energy, so...................... what does that tell us?

It's been proven that energy always existed?

Link?

I can just as easily say that God is energy and has always existed and that the universe is just one of the manifestations of his "energy".

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« Reply #144 on: February 11, 2016, 01:45:52 AM »
protect the precious bodily fluids and still the mind.

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« Reply #145 on: February 11, 2016, 01:51:36 AM »
I had to read this twice.......to realize that I still don't understand shit.

Now how about information then? "They" say it's not destryoable, so must've existed forever.

So the principles, and the application of those principles, as well as the abstract design of the bicep supinator always existed and Basile just "discovered" it?

So, in essence, nothing has ever been invented (creating something that didn't exist before) but only discovered (realizing or being made aware of something that always existed).


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« Reply #146 on: February 11, 2016, 01:56:52 AM »
Ive always thought that if suicide would be the only option - it'd be best to get high on powerfull drugs and just jump off the cliff or something (maybe the Burj Al Khalifa), but when high one probably would not like to die lol..

Cut carbs for a couple of days, fast one day, take some Ambien, and then inject a vial of Humulin R before hitting the sack. Drift off peacefully.

Thank me later.

Well, maybe not.


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« Reply #147 on: February 11, 2016, 02:10:07 AM »
cephissus> Just put aside everything else except survival. Yes, animals does feel depressed...not al, but... weak ones. If their survival is at stake. Pretty much every single depressed person that I've met was actually feeling weak "at life", or at a particular sphere of life, like they can't take control of it. Very few may have fucked brain structure and weird patterns of neurotransmitters working, but that usualy has it's roots in earlier life too.
 I've yet to see a atrong individual who feels like he/she has a balance in their life (so the chances of their survival are high) who are depressed. Depressive state is a way for the brain to send a signal that something must be done to change that state, like - .... increasing chances of survival (finding a job, a mate, maybe even friends for some, losing weight, etc....).

Feeling down here and there is normal and even beneficial, depression is when "down" becomes a daily occurence, thus - when a person feels not controlling life or some field of it daily.

Being depressed its quite different from being unhappy. Depression has more to do with your perspective on life. What is your purpose or meaning? What lies in the future? Does anything really matter in the grand scheme of things?

Depression requires some contemplation, introspection and self-examination? Animals don't get depressed.

During the final week of one of my dog's life I spent a lot of time with her and really paid attention to what was going on in her life. She had cancer but the actual fatal part came on very suddenly. She was always an exceptionally exuberant dog. Always happy and active. Whenever I came home it was like the greatest thing in her life. Jumping around, barking -- just going crazy.

Then almost overnight you could see things were going bad. She had this sad listless look on her face. But when I would pick up the leash I could see her tail wagging as she practically crawled to me (she loved going on walks). When I bought a treat her eyes would light up and I'd get that doggy smile. But most of the time she just slept and didn't move much and looked sad. But I doubt there was any soul searching going on. She just felt crappy.

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« Reply #148 on: February 11, 2016, 02:37:08 AM »
cephissus> Just put aside everything else except survival. Yes, animals does feel depressed...not al, but... weak ones. If their survival is at stake. Pretty much every single depressed person that I've met was actually feeling weak "at life", or at a particular sphere of life, like they can't take control of it. Very few may have fucked brain structure and weird patterns of neurotransmitters working, but that usualy has it's roots in earlier life too.
 I've yet to see a atrong individual who feels like he/she has a balance in their life (so the chances of their survival are high) who are depressed. Depressive state is a way for the brain to send a signal that something must be done to change that state, like - .... increasing chances of survival (finding a job, a mate, maybe even friends for some, losing weight, etc....).

Feeling down here and there is normal and even beneficial, depression is when "down" becomes a daily occurence, thus - when a person feels not controlling life or some field of it daily.

Whole heartedly disagree on this. It has to do with the relationship between expectations and gratitude. You can have one or the other but not both. And it is gratitude that is one of the prerequisites for happiness. It is expectations, what you think life should be, that is one of the main causes of disappointment and subsequent depression.

I guaran-damn-tee you that if I took someone currently living in Dafur and traded places with him for the OP the "Dafurian" would think that he just won the lottery while the OP would forget about his depression as he tries to avoid getting slaughtered by the Muslims and finding clean drinking water and food.

Paul Brand, author of the book, Pain: The Gift Nobody Wants, remarked how depression was confined mostly to first world nations. Contemplating the meaning of life, your role in it, and your fate and future is a luxury. When you are living hand to mouth everyday you are too preoccupied with your survival and the survival of your family to even begin to feel sorry for yourself.


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« Reply #149 on: February 11, 2016, 02:38:40 AM »
It has to do with the relationship between expectations and gratitude. You can have one or the other but not both. And it is gratitude that is one of the prerequisites for happiness. It is expectations, what you think life should be, that is one of the main causes of disappointment and subsequent depression.

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