Honestly... who'd take care of an old, immobile, shitting and pissing, angry and delusional human being for more than a few days for free?
Maybe few, but there are millions, they'd die just like in animal kindgom - out in nowhere, cared by noone. And I know a female who works that job, she earns very good money for that, that's her main source of income. Plenty of people who earn a living doing that, I think it's obvious (and the survival benefits).
What do I think about "rights" of animals"? I don't think about it, sorry... I've became way too cynical and indifferent towards topics like these. I just accept this not very nice reality and try to survive in it while I can.
That fella who rescued someone from the shark attack - he has been searching for a pleasure in his life (to feel good, after doing good. Feeling good - is a sign of goos survival state). But he risked his life, may've ended otherwise for both of them. maybe he had a similar experience in the past himself so kind of "felt" for that human, maybe he thought that he'd like someone to do that for him so acted adequately (still it's about thoughts of personal survival, even if theoretical).
They rescue soldiers in the battle field, their OWN soldiers, these who support their case, but kill furiously the "other side". Animals tend to drag an injured animal too, to keep it in the pack, more is better than less, overall, but cease to do that when it becomes impossible, so does humans. Empathy is just another emotion in a survival machinery.
It would be a lot more simple if you'd step aside the belief that we are somehow different than animals and try to evaluate verything from purely biological perspective. It just starts making so much sense there's simply no need to try to somehow coat these mechanics in subtle meanings and "higher causes". And that is not bad, btw, idk why many people think that being an animal is bad. It's beautiful, it's how this reality works.
Yes, many people make a living caring for the elderly. Just like many are employed at the welfare office. But the fact is that caring for the elderly, as is giving other people's money to support other people who don't or can't support themselves is a net lost to society. It cost us money. What if we were all elderly and infirmed? How could we generate wealth? Why are you having difficulty grasping this very obvious concept other than that it does not comport with your belief that everything we do is related to enhancing our survival?
Da Vinci, like I said, I considered you a intelligent and thoughtful person but it now seems to me that you are not as interested in the truth but in promoting your agenda.
I'll say it again: spending resources: money, labor, equipment, hospital space, caring for the elderly, infirmed, deformed, mentally deficient... is a net cost to society. They produce nothing and contribute nothing to society but cost a lot to maintain. They are a net lost. A liability. They do not enhance our wealth, progression or quality of life and therefore our survival. But we take care of them anyway.
Admit this obvious truth or I am forced to conclude that you are simply not an honest man.
And of course it would be a lot more simple, at least for you, if I simple agreed with you. Just like it would be simple for me if you just agreed with me.
Why do you avoid the simple question that do you believe that man and animals should have the same basic rights? And if not, why not if you consider humans and animals all the same? To claim that you have never thought of the rights of all living things and in the same breath claim that you have been contemplating the great issues of life for your entire life rings a bit hollow.
But be that as it may, so assuming you have never ever thought about it before I am asking you to think about it now. This is a debate and one has to often confront and consider new ideas presented in an argument.
And I think it is unfortunate, but not surprising because of the secularization of our culture, that you believe that man is no different from an animal. That you are basically the same as a toad, a snake, a mongoose or a wild turkey.
An animal acts purely on instinct. It takes what it wants if it can get away with it (steals), it mates with whomever it wants (rape), and attacks whomever it doesn't want around.
An animal has no moral sense. It doesn't think in terms of right or wrong. What surprises me is that so many agree with you. You have called everybody reading this thread that they are no better than animals. They either agree with you or too cowardly to speak up against such a grave insult. By calling someone an animal you rob them of their humanity -- their heart and their soul. When they look at themselves, their parents and all that they sacrificed, their children of whom they have given so much, when you consider the real heroes in this world that have sacrifice their lives for the benefit of others -- when they look at all this all they see are fellow animals that somehow developed a modesty that demands that they wear clothes. Just animals really no different from a hyena, a crocodile, a trigger fish, or a timber wolf.
Nobody here disagrees with this or has the guts to speak out against it. That's the real tragedy. The truth exists whether or not anyone accepts it or even knows it. But how one reacts when they're very nature is diminished will speak a lot as to where we are heading as a culture and a people.
